KC Royals making HUGE aquisitions

jrdoa · 12-05-2003, 02:33 PM

Just heard they are close to signing Matt Stairs, Benito Santiago, and Raul Mondesi. They really need to let Beltran go and play for a contender.

CommishJoe · 12-05-2003, 02:39 PM

It's not that they won't let him go, his idiot for an agent (aka Boras) won't even listen to an extension offer from the new team, so everyone knows he's a 1 year rental.

Crapshoot · 12-05-2003, 03:08 PM

How exactly is Boras an idiot ? there's a market out there for Beltran next year- count on it....

As for santiago, in my dreams, the Royals sign him before dec 7- more likely they won't.

Karros270 · 12-05-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by jrdoa
They really need to let Beltran go and play for a contender.

*cough*dear God please the Dodgers!*cough*

KurtBevacqua · 12-05-2003, 05:15 PM

I wouldn't exactly call Stairs, Santiago, and Mondesi HUGE. I like Santiago as a solid, veteran catcher. Stairs is a decent DH, and Mondesi has been a problem child wherever he went. Sometimes looks great, frequently doesn't. He still has that great arm, but not sure if the motivation to do everything else required in the field is there. With all the great FAs available, I gotta think they could do a little better. Santiago is a good, affordable pickup though. I'd definitely be all over him if I had a need.

TC Dale · 12-05-2003, 06:04 PM

Santiago is old.....and that isn't the best acquisition the Royals could get, I hope the don't get him. He would be a waste... unless they want him there to train someone.

Bleah....I hate the idea of Santiago at KC.

Mel_Ott · 12-05-2003, 06:14 PM

Yep, Santiago's about finished. Of course, they said that three years ago, and he's been OK for the Giants... better than OK even. But he was really starting to fade down the stretch. At his age, he's probably best suited to be a backup for a team with a young, good catcher who's still got some learning to do.

CommishJoe · 12-05-2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by Aadik
How exactly is Boras an idiot ?

I-Rod

The Marlins have offered him a two-year contract guaranteeing him approximately $15 million. Boras hasn't countered that offer. But Rodriguez and Boras have been telling teams they're looking for a five-year deal for more than $10 million a year.

I have also heard some stupid quotes about Millwood and Maddux and how much they are worth.

Oh, and of course, the all famous "Bernie hasn't lost a thing" about Bernie Williams being moved out of CF. "I'd love to see the foot race between Matsui and Bernie". Uhh, even my 8 year old can see that Bernie has been slowed by injuries you freakin moron!!

CommishJoe · 12-05-2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Aadik
How exactly is Boras an idiot ?

Oh yeah, here's Millwood..

It is believed the offer is between $9 million and $10 million a year. However, Millwood's agent, Scott Boras, has been telling teams they're looking for $13 million per year over 5-7 years. Boras has yet to respond to Philadelphia's offer.

5-7 years .. now that's funny stuff.

jmaness84 · 12-06-2003, 03:28 AM

I bet A-Rod ,Kevin Brown, Bernie Williams among others don't think he's an idiot

Back on the subject those 3 players would do good for KC. Its nice to see a small market team get some players.

clarnzz · 12-06-2003, 06:09 AM

Actually Boras does have a point with Irod, and claimed his counter offer was 10 x 4.

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"They brought him to Florida at a wage of $10 million," Boras said, "and following a season of world championship play and leadership, he made the decision today to let the Marlins know that despite the fact that his teammates got increases, he was willing to accept a contract where his salary remained the same and he would take the same term of years Mike Lowell received. He was willing to be flexible about how the money was to be paid out during the contract."

CommishJoe · 12-06-2003, 12:26 PM

From the article I read, he was looking for a raise. If he's looking for the same amt for a long term deal, I could see that.

As for if those players think he's an idiot or not, that'll depend on where they land and for how much. I highly doubt anyone is gonna ink Millwood to a 5-7 year deal.

Jason Moyer · 12-06-2003, 12:32 PM

I wouldn't sign I-Rod to more than 2 years, and I can't imagine any GM in baseball would be stupid enough to either.

Jason

CMH · 12-06-2003, 04:26 PM

...or if you decide to sign IRod to more than 2 years the team that signs him better make sure that they figure out a way to pay most of the salary upfront/early on in the contract rather than backloading it.

clarnzz · 12-06-2003, 05:45 PM

I didn't say they should sign him for 4 years or that anyone will give it to him, I just meant Boras did have a case.

marc · 12-06-2003, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by CommishJoe
Oh yeah, here's Millwood..

It is believed the offer is between $9 million and $10 million a year. However, Millwood's agent, Scott Boras, has been telling teams they're looking for $13 million per year over 5-7 years. Boras has yet to respond to Philadelphia's offer.

5-7 years .. now that's funny stuff.

What is funnier, 13 mil per year for a guy who has pitched like a 3 starter or 5-7 years? I wish mlb teams would boycott negotiations with his players.

Skipaway · 12-06-2003, 09:08 PM

Isn't it silly to comment on the bargaining process? We should just look at the results and see if Ivan Rodriguez and Kevin Millwood would be overpaid. Everyone would make requests that sound stupid in any bargaining process. Boras is just more willing to share those with the media. Remember what's the market for Rodriguez last year? If Boras can land him anything above 8~9 mil, then he's doing a great job. That 10 mil one year deal was already a success, since Rodriguez got above market value contract for a year, and happened to be doing great with a successful team.

If I could do as well as Boras and got called an idiot, I wouldn't mind.

Dwolfson20 · 12-06-2003, 09:14 PM

I'm pretty sure the word HUGE was being used faceitously in the thread title.

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Originally posted by jmaness84
Back on the subject those 3 players would do good for KC. Its nice to see a small market team get some players.

I disagree with this 100%. This is just the same old case of a small-market team signing crappy players just because they used to be good, and it's not at all nice to see, especially when you root for said small-market team.

But for what it's worth, Santiago would still be an upgrade over Brent Mayne, as sad as that may seem.

KC · 12-06-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Dwolfson20
I'm pretty sure the word HUGE was being used faceitously in the thread title.

I disagree with this 100%. This is just the same old case of a small-market team signing crappy players just because they used to be good, and it's not at all nice to see, especially when you root for said small-market team.

But for what it's worth, Santiago would still be an upgrade over Brent Mayne, as sad as that may seem.

I agree. The players mentioned are well past their prime.

Skipaway · 12-06-2003, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by Dwolfson20

I disagree with this 100%. This is just the same old case of a small-market team signing crappy players just because they used to be good, and it's not at all nice to see, especially when you root for said small-market team.

But for what it's worth, Santiago would still be an upgrade over Brent Mayne, as sad as that may seem.

These players are not really bad. I think we'd need to know the price before making any comments. At least Matt Stairs should be cheap?

12-05-2003, 02:33 PM	#1
jrdoa Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 151	KC Royals making HUGE aquisitions Just heard they are close to signing Matt Stairs, Benito Santiago, and Raul Mondesi. They really need to let Beltran go and play for a contender.

12-05-2003, 02:39 PM	#2
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	It's not that they won't let him go, his idiot for an agent (aka Boras) won't even listen to an extension offer from the new team, so everyone knows he's a 1 year rental. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

12-05-2003, 03:08 PM	#3
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	How exactly is Boras an idiot ? there's a market out there for Beltran next year- count on it.... As for santiago, in my dreams, the Royals sign him before dec 7- more likely they won't. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

12-05-2003, 05:15 PM	#5
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I wouldn't exactly call Stairs, Santiago, and Mondesi HUGE. I like Santiago as a solid, veteran catcher. Stairs is a decent DH, and Mondesi has been a problem child wherever he went. Sometimes looks great, frequently doesn't. He still has that great arm, but not sure if the motivation to do everything else required in the field is there. With all the great FAs available, I gotta think they could do a little better. Santiago is a good, affordable pickup though. I'd definitely be all over him if I had a need. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

12-05-2003, 06:04 PM	#6
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,961	Santiago is old.....and that isn't the best acquisition the Royals could get, I hope the don't get him. He would be a waste... unless they want him there to train someone. Bleah....I hate the idea of Santiago at KC. __________________ ----------------------------------

12-05-2003, 06:14 PM	#7
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	Yep, Santiago's about finished. Of course, they said that three years ago, and he's been OK for the Giants... better than OK even. But he was really starting to fade down the stretch. At his age, he's probably best suited to be a backup for a team with a young, good catcher who's still got some learning to do. __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL

12-06-2003, 03:28 AM	#10
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	I bet A-Rod ,Kevin Brown, Bernie Williams among others don't think he's an idiot Back on the subject those 3 players would do good for KC. Its nice to see a small market team get some players.

12-06-2003, 12:26 PM	#12
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	From the article I read, he was looking for a raise. If he's looking for the same amt for a long term deal, I could see that. As for if those players think he's an idiot or not, that'll depend on where they land and for how much. I highly doubt anyone is gonna ink Millwood to a 5-7 year deal. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

12-06-2003, 12:32 PM	#13
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,088	I wouldn't sign I-Rod to more than 2 years, and I can't imagine any GM in baseball would be stupid enough to either. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

12-06-2003, 04:26 PM	#14
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	...or if you decide to sign IRod to more than 2 years the team that signs him better make sure that they figure out a way to pay most of the salary upfront/early on in the contract rather than backloading it.

12-06-2003, 05:45 PM	#15
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	I didn't say they should sign him for 4 years or that anyone will give it to him, I just meant Boras did have a case.

12-06-2003, 09:08 PM	#17
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Isn't it silly to comment on the bargaining process? We should just look at the results and see if Ivan Rodriguez and Kevin Millwood would be overpaid. Everyone would make requests that sound stupid in any bargaining process. Boras is just more willing to share those with the media. Remember what's the market for Rodriguez last year? If Boras can land him anything above 8~9 mil, then he's doing a great job. That 10 mil one year deal was already a success, since Rodriguez got above market value contract for a year, and happened to be doing great with a successful team. If I could do as well as Boras and got called an idiot, I wouldn't mind. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.