Game crashes in postseason

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-21-2003, 02:49 AM

So, I just finished the first season of my solo league and am ready to start the playoffs. When I try to play or sim the first WS game, the game gives the "Calculating League Leaders" message, then gives me an error message and shuts down.

I fear this may have something to do with my short schedule in the 1871 season (30 games). Has anyone seen this, and if so, is there a workaround? I really busted my ass to get the 1871 season just right, and I'm going to freak out if I lose all that work.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-21-2003, 11:42 AM

Bumping this to ask another related question: does anyone know what will happen if I just delete the WS games from the schedule? Will the game just let me advance to the next season?

I don't mind losing the 1871 postseason, but I'm going to be... quite upset if I lost everything I've put in so far.

I poked around the league stats/files last night, and as far as I can tell there's nothing corrupted about them - it's just that the game crashes when I try to sim the first postseason game.

Treches · 11-21-2003, 12:45 PM

All teams computer managed except yours, I presume. Lets go for the basic stuff first, all the lineups&rotations set up properly? Look to see if there's enough pitchers around (there weren't too many pitchers in 1871 unless you tweaked the rosters, maybe a team is short on them due to injuries).

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-21-2003, 12:57 PM

I don't own a team. All the teams are indeed computer managed and are fine with the pitchers - I have injuries off so that's a non-issue. I really think it has something to do with schedule length - the game seems to freak out while it's calculating the league leaders.

Here's my guess: during the season, I know the game calculates the "in-game" league leaders based upon the number of games teams have played up to that point: probably something like 3.1 plate appearances times games played.

However, there may be a difference for the way it calculates them for the postseason. Since my schedule was only 30 games this season, it may not find anyone who can qualify for something like the batting title and therefore it crashes. If someone official can provide more information on the league leader calculation system and whether it might change in the postseason, or whether a really short schedule could cause a glitch, I'd appreciate it.

Treches · 11-21-2003, 01:13 PM

Probably, yes. I haven't done much historical play with V5, but a 50-game league was fine with V4. Maybe the simulation has a conflict calculating when there're just 30 games and doesn't understand that the season has reached the playoffs. My suggestion is for you to directly email Markus to inquire on the subject.

Treches · 11-21-2003, 01:16 PM

markus@ootpdevelopments.com

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-21-2003, 01:27 PM

I don't want to bother him directly.... not yet, anyway. Is it possible that Steve or someone else "official" could give me some word on this?

I've done historical replays down to..... 42 game schedules, I think. But this is the first where I've tried an actual 30-game schedule as used in 1871.

I have a preseason backup so I suppose I can revert to the start of the season and give it another go with a longer schedule if it's absolutely necessary. But I'd really rather not do that if I don't have to.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-22-2003, 12:39 PM

Bump..... anyone? anyone?

Bueller?

holyroller · 11-22-2003, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eckstein 4 Prez
Bumping this to ask another related question: does anyone know what will happen if I just delete the WS games from the schedule? Will the game just let me advance to the next season?

I don't know the answer, but I think this might be your best bet. Why don't you create a new folder and copy the files in to it? Then try it out. Worth a shot anyway

Steve Kuffrey · 11-22-2003, 12:47 PM

I don't see why this would happen but the fewest I've tried is 50, you may want to try again and if that doesn't work email him.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-22-2003, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by holyroller
I don't know the answer, but I think this might be your best bet. Why don't you create a new folder and copy the files in to it? Then try it out. Worth a shot anyway

Tried it. Once the postseason starts it's a no go. I think I'm going to copy everything over to a bonus folder and then revert back to the preseason with a slightly longer schedule.

I'll email Markus if adding games to the schedule doesn't work.

holyroller · 11-22-2003, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eckstein 4 Prez
Tried it. Once the postseason starts it's a no go. I think I'm going to copy everything over to a bonus folder and then revert back to the preseason with a slightly longer schedule.

I'll email Markus if adding games to the schedule doesn't work.

****ing hell, that sucks d00d. I have some extra Effexor and Paxil if you need some.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-22-2003, 01:32 PM

I may need it. Oh well, I'll probably just restart my dynasty thread with 1872 if this works. If not, then I'm going to bang on my monitor with a show for a while.

Le Grande Orange · 11-22-2003, 03:44 PM

You could always test your hypothesis by starting a new test league with the same number of teams as your current league and generating a 30 game schedule and then simming up to the playoffs and see what happens.

Technically, there were no playoffs in 1871 anyway, so really you're not losing out on anything. Also, the NA never had a fixed playing schedule; it was arranged by the individual teams through correspondence (which explains the rather chaotic nature of the 1871-75 schedules).

I've also read that for the 1871 season the idea in place was for each team to play a best-of-5 series against each team; once a team had won 3 games the teams would not play each other again. With 9 teams in the NA, that works out to between 24-40 games played, depending on how many games are played in each best-of-5 set. Note also that the pennant winner was not decided by winning percentage but rather the numerical number of wins; whichever team had the most was awarded the pennant (which explains the best-of-5 series methodology - only the wins count towards the pennant, the losses were meaningless).

11-21-2003, 02:49 AM	#1
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Game crashes in postseason So, I just finished the first season of my solo league and am ready to start the playoffs. When I try to play or sim the first WS game, the game gives the "Calculating League Leaders" message, then gives me an error message and shuts down. I fear this may have something to do with my short schedule in the 1871 season (30 games). Has anyone seen this, and if so, is there a workaround? I really busted my ass to get the 1871 season just right, and I'm going to freak out if I lose all that work. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

11-21-2003, 11:42 AM	#2
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Bumping this to ask another related question: does anyone know what will happen if I just delete the WS games from the schedule? Will the game just let me advance to the next season? I don't mind losing the 1871 postseason, but I'm going to be... quite upset if I lost everything I've put in so far. I poked around the league stats/files last night, and as far as I can tell there's nothing corrupted about them - it's just that the game crashes when I try to sim the first postseason game. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

11-21-2003, 12:45 PM	#3
Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	All teams computer managed except yours, I presume. Lets go for the basic stuff first, all the lineups&rotations set up properly? Look to see if there's enough pitchers around (there weren't too many pitchers in 1871 unless you tweaked the rosters, maybe a team is short on them due to injuries). __________________ The Computer Baseball League

11-21-2003, 12:57 PM	#4
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I don't own a team. All the teams are indeed computer managed and are fine with the pitchers - I have injuries off so that's a non-issue. I really think it has something to do with schedule length - the game seems to freak out while it's calculating the league leaders. Here's my guess: during the season, I know the game calculates the "in-game" league leaders based upon the number of games teams have played up to that point: probably something like 3.1 plate appearances times games played. However, there may be a difference for the way it calculates them for the postseason. Since my schedule was only 30 games this season, it may not find anyone who can qualify for something like the batting title and therefore it crashes. If someone official can provide more information on the league leader calculation system and whether it might change in the postseason, or whether a really short schedule could cause a glitch, I'd appreciate it. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

11-21-2003, 01:13 PM	#5
Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	Probably, yes. I haven't done much historical play with V5, but a 50-game league was fine with V4. Maybe the simulation has a conflict calculating when there're just 30 games and doesn't understand that the season has reached the playoffs. My suggestion is for you to directly email Markus to inquire on the subject. __________________ The Computer Baseball League

11-21-2003, 01:16 PM	#6
Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	markus@ootpdevelopments.com __________________ The Computer Baseball League

11-21-2003, 01:27 PM	#7
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I don't want to bother him directly.... not yet, anyway. Is it possible that Steve or someone else "official" could give me some word on this? I've done historical replays down to..... 42 game schedules, I think. But this is the first where I've tried an actual 30-game schedule as used in 1871. I have a preseason backup so I suppose I can revert to the start of the season and give it another go with a longer schedule if it's absolutely necessary. But I'd really rather not do that if I don't have to. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

11-22-2003, 12:39 PM	#8
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Bump..... anyone? anyone? Bueller?

11-22-2003, 12:47 PM	#10
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	I don't see why this would happen but the fewest I've tried is 50, you may want to try again and if that doesn't work email him. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-22-2003, 01:32 PM	#13
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I may need it. Oh well, I'll probably just restart my dynasty thread with 1872 if this works. If not, then I'm going to bang on my monitor with a show for a while.

11-22-2003, 03:44 PM	#14
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	You could always test your hypothesis by starting a new test league with the same number of teams as your current league and generating a 30 game schedule and then simming up to the playoffs and see what happens. Technically, there were no playoffs in 1871 anyway, so really you're not losing out on anything. Also, the NA never had a fixed playing schedule; it was arranged by the individual teams through correspondence (which explains the rather chaotic nature of the 1871-75 schedules). I've also read that for the 1871 season the idea in place was for each team to play a best-of-5 series against each team; once a team had won 3 games the teams would not play each other again. With 9 teams in the NA, that works out to between 24-40 games played, depending on how many games are played in each best-of-5 set. Note also that the pennant winner was not decided by winning percentage but rather the numerical number of wins; whichever team had the most was awarded the pennant (which explains the best-of-5 series methodology - only the wins count towards the pennant, the losses were meaningless).