What Should We Do?

messenjah · 11-19-2003, 03:21 PM

Ok, in the league I'm in right now, we had the Boston owner switch stadiums before the preseason without anyone knowing and so he had a whole lot larger seating capacity. Mid-way the commish found it and switched it back to his old stadium. I noticed it the other day and I brought it up in the forums. Boston says that he didn't know we could switch. Now we are trying to decide whether we should let it go, take away his extra money, take away his extra money and fine him, or expel him from the leauge. I personally am not for expelling him, but I want to know what you guys think.

Dagrims · 11-19-2003, 03:41 PM

Assuming the owner hasn't had any other issues with the league, I'd suggest taking away the extra money, but not expelling him. I can't imagine it's all that much money compared to team payrolls, so as a bit of a penalty you could split up that money equally between the rest of the teams in the league. Everyone else benefits from his mistake, whether it was intentional or not (although how it could have been an accident I don't know).

In addition, add a rule that specifies penalties for making unapproved changes to one's team/stadium/etc. If could be vague (e.g. up to the discretion of the Commissioner), but design it so that penalties are applied consistently so that there aren't any impressions of favoritism.

Chris

sporr · 11-19-2003, 04:38 PM

This was done when the league file wasn't password protected then?

Treches · 11-19-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
This was done when the league file wasn't password protected then?

Just changed in 5.14. Before you could do it at will regardless of the password. The guy took advantage of an obscure exploit that not many knew and wasn't easy for the commish to catch. Door.

sporr · 11-19-2003, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Treches
Just changed in 5.14. Before you could do it at will regardless of the password. The guy took advantage of an obscure exploit that not many knew and wasn't easy for the commish to catch. Door.

Yeah, I had thought that was the case here. If it was deliberate, then the penalty should be harsh. That would be hard to prove though.

sunnydoo · 11-19-2003, 08:53 PM

the boston owner isnt named mfitterer by any chance? otherwise, just fine him, split it up, and get on with it.

Carlton · 11-19-2003, 10:15 PM

Cop; Ok, buddy what the hell is the problem?

Chip: Sorry officer...I din't know...that I wasn't supposed to do that.

Cop: (pause) Well...NOW you know!! Get outta here!

Dave Chappelle: I DIDN'T know I wasn't supposed to do that????

Chip: that was good huh? Because I DID know I wasn't supposed to do that...hahahahaha

Treches · 11-20-2003, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by sporr
Yeah, I had thought that was the case here. If it was deliberate, then the penalty should be harsh. That would be hard to prove though.

It sure was deliberate. It's not that you could click by mistake and get assigned the next ballpark on the list without notice. He had to choose a ballpark from the list himself after clicking the button.

holyroller · 11-20-2003, 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by Treches
It sure was deliberate. It's not that you could click by mistake and get assigned the next ballpark on the list without notice. He had to choose a ballpark from the list himself after clicking the button.

No kidding. No need to prove that this was deliberate, it could not have happened by accident. The only question is what the penalty should be.

If it were me, I would not be able to trust the owner and would boot him imediately unless he was able to a) admit what he had done b) apologized for it c) assured me that it would not happen again. Even then, I would not feel comfortable with him and would watch his every move like a hawk.

Karen Lutz · 11-20-2003, 05:21 PM

lol, a public post wasn't neccassary, but for the record, he did have previous problems and the solution is now done. The new Boston owner is very happy to be in the league. Also for the record, he really didn't know.... but that wasn't the point, it was careless and careless isn't appreciated in a league of good quality such as this one.

11-19-2003, 03:21 PM	#1
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	What Should We Do? Ok, in the league I'm in right now, we had the Boston owner switch stadiums before the preseason without anyone knowing and so he had a whole lot larger seating capacity. Mid-way the commish found it and switched it back to his old stadium. I noticed it the other day and I brought it up in the forums. Boston says that he didn't know we could switch. Now we are trying to decide whether we should let it go, take away his extra money, take away his extra money and fine him, or expel him from the leauge. I personally am not for expelling him, but I want to know what you guys think.

11-19-2003, 08:53 PM	#6
sunnydoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tennessee/Colorado Posts: 103	the boston owner isnt named mfitterer by any chance? otherwise, just fine him, split it up, and get on with it. __________________ "Genius attracts genius, just as stupidity attracts stupidity. Wisdom is knowing the difference." "I am so confused!"-Vinny Barbarino Minneapolis Millers, NML 1935 Great North Division/Western Conference Champs Santo Domingo Admirals, PABF 2016 PABF CHAMPS!!! 2017 SE Division Keg Creek Coyote Uglies,POTD 2009 Appy WC

11-19-2003, 10:15 PM	#7
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Cop; Ok, buddy what the hell is the problem? Chip: Sorry officer...I din't know...that I wasn't supposed to do that. Cop: (pause) Well...NOW you know!! Get outta here! Dave Chappelle: I DIDN'T know I wasn't supposed to do that???? Chip: that was good huh? Because I DID know I wasn't supposed to do that...hahahahaha __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

11-19-2003, 03:41 PM	#2
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	Assuming the owner hasn't had any other issues with the league, I'd suggest taking away the extra money, but not expelling him. I can't imagine it's all that much money compared to team payrolls, so as a bit of a penalty you could split up that money equally between the rest of the teams in the league. Everyone else benefits from his mistake, whether it was intentional or not (although how it could have been an accident I don't know). In addition, add a rule that specifies penalties for making unapproved changes to one's team/stadium/etc. If could be vague (e.g. up to the discretion of the Commissioner), but design it so that penalties are applied consistently so that there aren't any impressions of favoritism. Chris

11-19-2003, 04:38 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	This was done when the league file wasn't password protected then?

11-20-2003, 05:21 PM	#10
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	lol, a public post wasn't neccassary, but for the record, he did have previous problems and the solution is now done. The new Boston owner is very happy to be in the league. Also for the record, he really didn't know.... but that wasn't the point, it was careless and careless isn't appreciated in a league of good quality such as this one.