The best statistical run by a pitcher in baseball history?

lgkeeper · 11-18-2003, 05:59 PM

I'm in year 2010 of my Giants franchise. Barry Zito has won 6 consecutive Cy Young awards and has, in my opinion, had a statistical run that beats any in the history of baseball. Here are his stats from 2004-2009. I'll put the basics down. If you want any more info, let me know.

2004:
23-8, 2.13 ERA, 271 IP, 173 H, 68 R, 70 BB, 220 K, 4 CG, 3 ShO

2005:
26-5, 2.38 ERA, 245.1 IP, 160 H, 67 R, 80 BB, 192 K, 6 CG, 4 ShO

2006:
24-6, 1.69 ERA, 276.2 IP, 139 H, 55 R, 62 BB, 208 K, 4 CG, 2 ShO

2007:
23-5, 1.97 ERA, 282.2 IP, 158 H, 68 R, 101 BB, 216 K, 14 CGB, 4 ShO

2008:
28-2, 1.55 ERA, 290 IP, 126 H, 57 R, 88 BB, 195 K, 15 CG, 3 ShO

2009:
27-4, 1.37 ERA, 302.1 IP, 129 H, 50 R, 82 BB, 221 K, 24 CG, 11 ShO

Anyone have a string of 6 years that tops this?

messenjah · 11-18-2003, 06:52 PM

Mark Prior in my solo league.

2013:
33-6, 1.27 ERA, 362.2 IP, 186 Hits, 51 ER, 24 BB, 385 K, 33 CG, 13 SHO

2014:
31-6, 1.55 ERA, 353.2 IP, 229 HA, 61 ER, 40 BB, 349 K, 25 CG, 12 SHO

2015:
28-7, 2.40 ERA, 307.1 IP, 272 HA, 82 ER, 70 BB, 222 K, 18 CG, 7 SHO

2016:
37-0, 1.09 ERA, 361.2 IP, 220 HA, 44 ER, 33 BB, 396 K, 26 CG, 14 SHO

2017:
38-1, 1.00 ERA, 341 IP, 200 HA, 38 ER, 22 BB, 365 K, 21 CG, 11 SHO

2018:
35-4, 1.77 ERA, 346 IP, 245 HA, 68 ER, 28 BB, 366 K, 20 CG, 7 SHO

2019:
20-4, 2.52 ERA, 211 IP, 173 HA, 59 ER, 35 BB, 213 K, 5 CG, 3 SHO (mid-way through the season)

Prior has said that he is going to hang it up at the end of the 2019 season. He currently has the career stats of 436-81 with a 2.32 ERA, 4705.2 IP, and 4955 K's. He has the career lead in all of those categories.

theREDdoor28 · 11-18-2003, 08:34 PM

Holy fookin' shizniz.

What era settings is that?

lgkeeper · 11-18-2003, 09:46 PM

20 wins midway through the season? That's pretty crazy. What's the next best Win total and ERA in the league?

For my league - if you were asking me theREDddor28 - I'm using modern settings.

messenjah · 11-19-2003, 12:35 AM

Normal era settings, except for that it is a 4 man rotation instead of a 5, that's the only difference, Prior is just the man. He had one bad year right after we switched to the 4 man rotation schedule, if you call 14-6 with a 2.95 ERA a bad year. It was just low for him. Before we went to the 4 man rotations, though, Prior was still averaging about 23-27 wins a year. He's topped 20 wins 13 times out of 18 years and he's had an ERA under 3 12 times. He's had over 300 K's 7 times. In fact, his highest ERA in any season is 3.64 in 2006. He is the man and the best pitcher I've ever had the privledge of managing. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that he's 40-9 with a 1.80 ERA in the postseason and has led my team to the postseason every year and has won us the world series the last 7 years and 9 times total in his career. He's thrown 2 no-hitters, and has won the Cy Young 10 times.

metsgeek · 11-19-2003, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theREDdoor28
Holy fookin' shizniz.

You took the words right outta my mouth

theREDdoor28 · 11-19-2003, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by messenjah
Normal era settings, except for that it is a 4 man rotation instead of a 5, that's the only difference, Prior is just the man. He had one bad year right after we switched to the 4 man rotation schedule, if you call 14-6 with a 2.95 ERA a bad year. It was just low for him. Before we went to the 4 man rotations, though, Prior was still averaging about 23-27 wins a year. He's topped 20 wins 13 times out of 18 years and he's had an ERA under 3 12 times. He's had over 300 K's 7 times. In fact, his highest ERA in any season is 3.64 in 2006. He is the man and the best pitcher I've ever had the privledge of managing. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that he's 40-9 with a 1.80 ERA in the postseason and has led my team to the postseason every year and has won us the world series the last 7 years and 9 times total in his career. He's thrown 2 no-hitters, and has won the Cy Young 10 times.

Amazing. That is something.

What is his contract like? And what are his ratings? 15/15/15?! Heh.

holyroller · 11-19-2003, 01:58 AM

361 innings???

Wow, I use a four man in my solo league, but haven't had anyone over 310. That is very impressive indeed.

lgkeeper · 11-19-2003, 02:22 AM

Not to rag on anyone, cuz I'm the first guy to do whatever within the rules to win, but why are you guys going to a 4-man rotation? Doesn't that take the simulation part out of it? There isn't a team in baseball with a 4-man rot?

Again, you guys do what you want to do if it's fun for you - all power to you. No matter what, Prior's numbers are astounding.

Kelric · 11-19-2003, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lgkeeper
Not to rag on anyone, cuz I'm the first guy to do whatever within the rules to win, but why are you guys going to a 4-man rotation? Doesn't that take the simulation part out of it? There isn't a team in baseball with a 4-man rot?

Just because there are no teams in baseball with a 4-man rotation doesn't make the 5-man always the best idea. If you have four solid starters and a good bullpen, why go get a mediocre/bad fifth starter that is going to lose you a few games? Just go the with the 4 guys. That's what I just did in a solo league - I've got Hudson/Zito/Mulder/Harden (yes I'm the A's) performing well through 2005 and am keeping myself on a tight budget and realize I can't afford even a mediocre starter. So I promote an extra reliever, switch to a 4-man, and have cruised for a few seasons that way.

holyroller · 11-19-2003, 06:17 AM

Really, I do not care if MLB teams use a four man or not. I believe that a four man is superior to a five man in any number of ways and I will use it exclusively until my dying day (unless it can be proven to me that a three or five man is superior).

lgkeeper · 11-19-2003, 10:03 AM

I've never tried it, to be honest. Seems like it would make sense - especially in the situations you presented. I'm not being critical - more like being curious.

As I said - no matter what the situation - those Prior numbers are sick.

bbergin76 · 11-19-2003, 11:34 AM

For those who use the four man rotation do you go in and set your whole league to four man rotations or do you allow the computer controlled teams to have five man rotations? I've wanted to try four man in the past but if your team has a four man rotation and the rest of the league has five man rotations wouldn't that skew your stats compared to the rest of the league? You'd end up with more wins pitcher-by-pitcher wise and more strikeouts and such wouldn't you?

Kelric · 11-19-2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bbergin76
For those who use the four man rotation do you go in and set your whole league to four man rotations or do you allow the computer controlled teams to have five man rotations? I've wanted to try four man in the past but if your team has a four man rotation and the rest of the league has five man rotations wouldn't that skew your stats compared to the rest of the league? You'd end up with more wins pitcher-by-pitcher wise and more strikeouts and such wouldn't you?

I've never set anything for AI teams, I let the era settings dictate what the opponents do. The only times I touch AI rosters are the occassional trimming of minor leagues when they look to be getting too crowded with non-prospects.

You will generally get more wins, innings, and strikeouts for your guys than for the rest of the league, yes. But if one team switches to a 4-man in MLB, they would too. It doesn't bother me, just makes me think I'm smarter than the rest of the league.

woody5254 · 11-19-2003, 12:40 PM

Actually there are some teams that go to a 4 man rotation for chunks of the regular season in the real majors. Especially during the opening few weeks and towards the pennant run and postseason(of course). I know predominantly that teams go with the 4 man, but it is not necessarily unrealistic to sim using a 4 man.

messenjah · 11-19-2003, 01:29 PM

I know can you believe he went 75-1 with a 1.05 ERA and 761 K's in 2016 and 2017. Those numbers are crazy.

sporr · 11-19-2003, 01:36 PM

Baseball Maelstrom's best:

Christy Mathewson

2002:
28-6, 2.07 ERA, 317.2 IP, 262 H, 73 R, 57 BB, 204 K, 9 CG, 5 ShO
Pitcher of the Year

2003:
23-10, 2.38 ERA, 302.1 IP, 211 H, 80 R, 52 BB, 228 K, 10 CG, 6 ShO

2004:
31-5, 2.03 ERA, 314.2 IP, 211 H, 76 R, 60 BB, 251 K, 7 CG, 3 ShO
Pitcher of the Year

2005:
27-6, 2.59 ERA, 292.1 IP, 239 H, 88 R, 54 BB, 239 K, 4 CG, 2 ShO
Pitcher of the Year

2006:
23-2, 1.70 ERA, 237.2 IP, 165 H, 54 R, 44 BB, 167 K, 11 CG, 5 ShO
Pitcher of the Year

2007 (through 9/3/07):
23-5, 1.85 ERA, 262.2 IP, 207 H, 61 R, 40 BB, 189 K, 10 CG, 8 ShO

woody5254 · 11-19-2003, 01:41 PM

I hate Christy Mathewson

rogmax11 · 11-19-2003, 01:42 PM

I dunno, call me a curmudgeon I guess, but numbers like you fellows are reporting would make me throw my arms up in exasperation as the last vestiges of realisim in my sim universe blew away.

37-0 followed by 38-1? I like Mark Prior as well as the next man, but these results are an indication that there is still significant work left on the game engine for Markus if the goal is truly for OOTP to be considered a serious baseball simulation.

And please understand, I mean no disrespect for those who report these kinds of uber-results--if it makes you happy, then coolio and all that. If you've tweaked the game engine to enable the generation of such careers, and these results are thus a byproduct of your own devising, please let us ( or me, at least ) know how you did it, so that we/I can have some hope that these fantastical seasonal perversions are not representative of the "normal" OOTP experience.

messenjah · 11-19-2003, 01:51 PM

No, I changed his defense rating and duration rating at the beginning of his career, but it's fluctuated throughout the years, so it didn't really do much, other than that there has been nothing. He has just had some crazy talent rating boosts.

11-18-2003, 05:59 PM	#1
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,137	The best statistical run by a pitcher in baseball history? I'm in year 2010 of my Giants franchise. Barry Zito has won 6 consecutive Cy Young awards and has, in my opinion, had a statistical run that beats any in the history of baseball. Here are his stats from 2004-2009. I'll put the basics down. If you want any more info, let me know. 2004: 23-8, 2.13 ERA, 271 IP, 173 H, 68 R, 70 BB, 220 K, 4 CG, 3 ShO 2005: 26-5, 2.38 ERA, 245.1 IP, 160 H, 67 R, 80 BB, 192 K, 6 CG, 4 ShO 2006: 24-6, 1.69 ERA, 276.2 IP, 139 H, 55 R, 62 BB, 208 K, 4 CG, 2 ShO 2007: 23-5, 1.97 ERA, 282.2 IP, 158 H, 68 R, 101 BB, 216 K, 14 CGB, 4 ShO 2008: 28-2, 1.55 ERA, 290 IP, 126 H, 57 R, 88 BB, 195 K, 15 CG, 3 ShO 2009: 27-4, 1.37 ERA, 302.1 IP, 129 H, 50 R, 82 BB, 221 K, 24 CG, 11 ShO Anyone have a string of 6 years that tops this?

11-18-2003, 08:34 PM	#3
theREDdoor28 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Paintsville, KY Posts: 238	Holy fookin' shizniz. What era settings is that? __________________ <CENTER> Disrepute - DVD Collection - eBay - GWB2004</CENTER>

11-19-2003, 01:58 AM	#8
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	361 innings??? Wow, I use a four man in my solo league, but haven't had anyone over 310. That is very impressive indeed. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

11-19-2003, 06:17 AM	#11
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Really, I do not care if MLB teams use a four man or not. I believe that a four man is superior to a five man in any number of ways and I will use it exclusively until my dying day (unless it can be proven to me that a three or five man is superior). __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

11-19-2003, 12:40 PM	#15
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	Actually there are some teams that go to a 4 man rotation for chunks of the regular season in the real majors. Especially during the opening few weeks and towards the pennant run and postseason(of course). I know predominantly that teams go with the 4 man, but it is not necessarily unrealistic to sim using a 4 man. __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

11-18-2003, 06:52 PM	#2
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Mark Prior in my solo league. 2013: 33-6, 1.27 ERA, 362.2 IP, 186 Hits, 51 ER, 24 BB, 385 K, 33 CG, 13 SHO 2014: 31-6, 1.55 ERA, 353.2 IP, 229 HA, 61 ER, 40 BB, 349 K, 25 CG, 12 SHO 2015: 28-7, 2.40 ERA, 307.1 IP, 272 HA, 82 ER, 70 BB, 222 K, 18 CG, 7 SHO 2016: 37-0, 1.09 ERA, 361.2 IP, 220 HA, 44 ER, 33 BB, 396 K, 26 CG, 14 SHO 2017: 38-1, 1.00 ERA, 341 IP, 200 HA, 38 ER, 22 BB, 365 K, 21 CG, 11 SHO 2018: 35-4, 1.77 ERA, 346 IP, 245 HA, 68 ER, 28 BB, 366 K, 20 CG, 7 SHO 2019: 20-4, 2.52 ERA, 211 IP, 173 HA, 59 ER, 35 BB, 213 K, 5 CG, 3 SHO (mid-way through the season) Prior has said that he is going to hang it up at the end of the 2019 season. He currently has the career stats of 436-81 with a 2.32 ERA, 4705.2 IP, and 4955 K's. He has the career lead in all of those categories.

11-18-2003, 09:46 PM	#4
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,137	20 wins midway through the season? That's pretty crazy. What's the next best Win total and ERA in the league? For my league - if you were asking me theREDddor28 - I'm using modern settings.

11-19-2003, 12:35 AM	#5
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Normal era settings, except for that it is a 4 man rotation instead of a 5, that's the only difference, Prior is just the man. He had one bad year right after we switched to the 4 man rotation schedule, if you call 14-6 with a 2.95 ERA a bad year. It was just low for him. Before we went to the 4 man rotations, though, Prior was still averaging about 23-27 wins a year. He's topped 20 wins 13 times out of 18 years and he's had an ERA under 3 12 times. He's had over 300 K's 7 times. In fact, his highest ERA in any season is 3.64 in 2006. He is the man and the best pitcher I've ever had the privledge of managing. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that he's 40-9 with a 1.80 ERA in the postseason and has led my team to the postseason every year and has won us the world series the last 7 years and 9 times total in his career. He's thrown 2 no-hitters, and has won the Cy Young 10 times.

11-19-2003, 02:22 AM	#9
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,137	Not to rag on anyone, cuz I'm the first guy to do whatever within the rules to win, but why are you guys going to a 4-man rotation? Doesn't that take the simulation part out of it? There isn't a team in baseball with a 4-man rot? Again, you guys do what you want to do if it's fun for you - all power to you. No matter what, Prior's numbers are astounding.

11-19-2003, 10:03 AM	#12
lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,137	I've never tried it, to be honest. Seems like it would make sense - especially in the situations you presented. I'm not being critical - more like being curious. As I said - no matter what the situation - those Prior numbers are sick.

11-19-2003, 11:34 AM	#13
bbergin76 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 242	For those who use the four man rotation do you go in and set your whole league to four man rotations or do you allow the computer controlled teams to have five man rotations? I've wanted to try four man in the past but if your team has a four man rotation and the rest of the league has five man rotations wouldn't that skew your stats compared to the rest of the league? You'd end up with more wins pitcher-by-pitcher wise and more strikeouts and such wouldn't you?

11-19-2003, 01:29 PM	#16
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	I know can you believe he went 75-1 with a 1.05 ERA and 761 K's in 2016 and 2017. Those numbers are crazy.

11-19-2003, 01:36 PM	#17
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Baseball Maelstrom's best: Christy Mathewson 2002: 28-6, 2.07 ERA, 317.2 IP, 262 H, 73 R, 57 BB, 204 K, 9 CG, 5 ShO Pitcher of the Year 2003: 23-10, 2.38 ERA, 302.1 IP, 211 H, 80 R, 52 BB, 228 K, 10 CG, 6 ShO 2004: 31-5, 2.03 ERA, 314.2 IP, 211 H, 76 R, 60 BB, 251 K, 7 CG, 3 ShO Pitcher of the Year 2005: 27-6, 2.59 ERA, 292.1 IP, 239 H, 88 R, 54 BB, 239 K, 4 CG, 2 ShO Pitcher of the Year 2006: 23-2, 1.70 ERA, 237.2 IP, 165 H, 54 R, 44 BB, 167 K, 11 CG, 5 ShO Pitcher of the Year 2007 (through 9/3/07): 23-5, 1.85 ERA, 262.2 IP, 207 H, 61 R, 40 BB, 189 K, 10 CG, 8 ShO

11-19-2003, 01:41 PM	#18
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	I hate Christy Mathewson __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

11-19-2003, 01:42 PM	#19
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	I dunno, call me a curmudgeon I guess, but numbers like you fellows are reporting would make me throw my arms up in exasperation as the last vestiges of realisim in my sim universe blew away. 37-0 followed by 38-1? I like Mark Prior as well as the next man, but these results are an indication that there is still significant work left on the game engine for Markus if the goal is truly for OOTP to be considered a serious baseball simulation. And please understand, I mean no disrespect for those who report these kinds of uber-results--if it makes you happy, then coolio and all that. If you've tweaked the game engine to enable the generation of such careers, and these results are thus a byproduct of your own devising, please let us ( or me, at least ) know how you did it, so that we/I can have some hope that these fantastical seasonal perversions are not representative of the "normal" OOTP experience.

11-19-2003, 01:51 PM	#20
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	No, I changed his defense rating and duration rating at the beginning of his career, but it's fluctuated throughout the years, so it didn't really do much, other than that there has been nothing. He has just had some crazy talent rating boosts.