Looking to join a league.

grindz601 · 10-04-2003, 01:04 PM

I will join any league doesn't have to be a certain type. I'm looking to join 2 leagues at the least and 5 at the most. E-mail me here grindz@csikids.org and tell me what info you need from me.

nmleague · 10-04-2003, 02:36 PM

The NML still has 4 openings

grindz601 · 10-04-2003, 02:38 PM

is ootp5 required.

nmleague · 10-04-2003, 03:23 PM

yes

grindz601 · 10-04-2003, 03:27 PM

well count me out then.

Karen Lutz · 10-05-2003, 03:55 AM

is it just me, or is this an ootp forum? I honestly thought that to be in a league you would require ootp......call me sick of people who want to be in a league who don't even have the game. Sad thing is, 90% of you are just cheap!

Cliche · 10-05-2003, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Karen Lutz
is it just me, or is this an ootp forum? I honestly thought that to be in a league you would require ootp......call me sick of people who want to be in a league who don't even have the game. Sad thing is, 90% of you are just cheap!

So... what exactly are you angry about? That you have more disposable income than others?

grindz601 · 10-05-2003, 07:41 AM

Karen I really don't have the money to just go spend 35$ on a game when people let me into leagues without having it.

cibl commish · 10-05-2003, 05:19 PM

Personally if someone wants to be in a league without the game, I wouldn't always have a problem with it. The biggest problem I have found though, is they are completely blind when it comes down to extensions and free agents. That obviously can hurt and in some cases screw a team up badly. Not only that but it also causes a lot of extra work for the commish of the league as well.

If someone wants to let people in without the game that is their business, personally however I've done it once and wouldn't do it again just because of the extra headaches it causes. Nothing against Grindz though, he did spend some time in the CIBL and was a good owner, at least as good as he could be without the game.

Just my 2 cents.

TopShelf · 10-06-2003, 12:42 AM

**DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU GET OFFENED FOR NOT OWNING OOTP**I dont know, when you really get down and think about it, people who do not own ootp are cheap. They must pay to have a computer, and have the internet, a mouse a keyboard, a house to live in, a power surply and they must be eating food to survive to say. "COUNT ME OUT" when they get slammed because they don't own OTTP. I am by no means mocking people without OOTP, but how can you afford all your aplliances and needs, and not have 35 bucks? You dont get paid in exact paychecks to cover all your belongings and not have spare money. I know some people have it rough, but why come to OOTP.com to join up? If i didnt own an Xbox, I would not go to xboxlive.com and ask if i can join a Halo2 league, and assume its going to be ok, and that people will give me a PBP on the action.

I am the first person to help out anyone without OOTP, i have a few in my league, and I have made it so enjoyable for them, but I have really gotten sick of people on here who RAG, that they cant get in a league cause they dont have the game, or they do not like the league they were asked to join.

For someone who dosnt own OTTP, add up all the hours you spend playin a OOTP sim, it would be about 5 hours a week maybe. Now go out of your home, to either, play pool, go to a movie, play at a arcade, etc. and do that for 5 hours, it will cost you money, whats the difference here? it is entertaining you, so be happy. Why not make a jar, and put your change in it for 1 month, is it that bad?

I think if you do not own OTTP, you should take what u get, because the odds are in your court to leave when Free Agents come, and you can't handle not being told every minute who wants what.

Fantasy Yahoo, Sandbox, ESPN, were made for people who do not want to own a program to play a game, is that not enough? I do not make millions of dollers, but for the amount of time I use OTTP, I would seriously pay 200 dollers a month to have the hours i spend on it added up. I think I say that because i understand everything costs something, and if it passes long hours and many hours, it is worth alot

If you are really crunching for cash, sell the comp, and the internet, and buy your needs. Do not wine that you have no money, untill you are on the street with 25 cents and a box, that is when u do not have 35 bucks

I am sorry if this offended anyone owning OOTP, but of course if u owned OOTP you wouldnt be offended, and I payed 35 bucks which gives me the write to say what i feel, without one word of bad remarks or language, and if you got upset, for reading this, then you should of not read this.

Cliche · 10-06-2003, 02:35 AM

*deposits 2 cents*

That's all well and good, but I fail to see what one persons decision to buy OOTP or not has to do with anothers behavior. Assuming that someone is "cheap" because they don't have OOTP just displays your own character flaws.

Your assertion that someone has to be destitute to not have 35 dollars is ridiculous. I played in a few OOTP leagues through the summer without owning the game, because I didn't have 35 dollars (or more accurately 50+ dollars Canadian). Having access to a computer or the internet doesn't mean that you're affluent or have a lot of disposable income laying around. I know I can speak for myself, and probably others when I say that I couldn't raise 35$ American in a month by saving my spare change.

But I digress, my point is simple. "Cheap" is far too general a label given the diversity of living standards, cultures and situations that everyone has to live with... and I just felt it was a bit closeminded to assume that people must be choosing not to pay for OOTP.

Karen Lutz · 10-06-2003, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by Cliche
*deposits 2 cents*

That's all well and good, but I fail to see what one persons decision to buy OOTP or not has to do with anothers behavior. Assuming that someone is "cheap" because they don't have OOTP just displays your own character flaws.

Your assertion that someone has to be destitute to not have 35 dollars is ridiculous. I played in a few OOTP leagues through the summer without owning the game, because I didn't have 35 dollars (or more accurately 50+ dollars Canadian). Having access to a computer or the internet doesn't mean that you're affluent or have a lot of disposable income laying around. I know I can speak for myself, and probably others when I say that I couldn't raise 35$ American in a month by saving my spare change.

But I digress, my point is simple. "Cheap" is far too general a label given the diversity of living standards, cultures and situations that everyone has to live with... and I just felt it was a bit closeminded to assume that people must be choosing not to pay for OOTP.

fine, but this is an OOTP league forum and I really believe only owners of the game should be able to partcipate, I also believe that owners only allow people who dont have the game simply because they can't always find enough owners otherwise......I also live in Canada, so that excuse is invalid, I love baseball, and I love this game, so I went out on a limb and actually saved some money for it.

If it wasn't for the severe lack of owners, I would say you are probably taking a good spot away from someone who does have the game......but if your league allows people who dont have the game, the commish either has way too much time (which is why he is probably running a league to begin with

) or the league sucks. I know there are a few good league who don't require it, but I am one who thinks you should have it to be here.

I also didn't say you were cheap, I said 90% of you are, some people don't have it for a decent reason....but it is rare. Some of you are just 13, and I know I will get blasted by some for this, but we need fewer of you as well.......most will agree with me on that.

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Originally posted by grindz601
Karen I really don't have the money to just go spend 35$ on a game when people let me into leagues without having it.

Well, God willing, they will stop letting you in.

hellfrozeover · 10-06-2003, 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by Karen Lutz
Some of you are just 13, and I know I will get blasted by some for this, but we need fewer of you as well.......most will agree with me on that.

This is so true. There are some 13 year olds who aren't complete morons (as I've had one or two as an owner in my league), but the stereotypical 12-year old AOLer seems to make up about 90% of that particular OOTP demographic.

I can't put into words how annoying some of these people are.

I had this exact conversation at one point...one very low point... in my OOTP experiences:

"ah lak zito an musina"
"what do you have to offer?"
"ah giv u cumer and alfonseca"
"are you joking?"
"com on he my favurite player"
"..."

You get the idea. For the love of god, not all 13 year olds are this dumb...I hope...

As to owning the game, I'm quite undecided on that. If you run a league and you want to put up with the work involved in having owners without the game, more power to you. I know I can't put up with that kind of work from 30 owners. But, the VSLB, which is now dead, was probably the most competitive league I've ever been in, and I had more fun in that league than just about any other, and the commish always had the owners e-mail lineups.

When I first started the ILBL, I didn't require the game, but as things have progressed, it's become more and more of a requirement. I make exceptions for owners that I know are good and that I have history with, but generally speaking, I don't want to put up with the work involved in having owners without the game. As to the basic principle of whether you should own the game or not, I don't mind having people who don't own the game on the message boards if they are looking for information, opinions, etc., or if they are in off-topic. The only thing that I dislike is when people who don't own and have never played the game make a statement about the quality of it, because that's just ridiculous.

It's 4 a.m., hopefully most of that was cohesive, if not then.......go Cubs!

Goodsox · 10-06-2003, 11:58 AM

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Well, God willing, they will stop letting you in.

Once again, this is nothing against grindz at all. He was in the NBL, a league I commish, and I did not know he didn't have the game before I took over the league from the original commish. He ended up offering a player almost 7 times what they were asking for as a free agent. That alone proves how important it is to own the game. Like CIBLCommish said, he was as good an owner as anyone can be without the game, but it is just too difficult for everyone involved. I also don't think it is fair to all of the owners in the league that spent the $35 on the game.

Cliche · 10-06-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Karen Lutz
fine, but this is an OOTP league forum and I really believe only owners of the game should be able to partcipate, I also believe that owners only allow people who dont have the game simply because they can't always find enough owners otherwise......I also live in Canada, so that excuse is invalid, I love baseball, and I love this game, so I went out on a limb and actually saved some money for it.

If it wasn't for the severe lack of owners, I would say you are probably taking a good spot away from someone who does have the game......but if your league allows people who dont have the game, the commish either has way too much time (which is why he is probably running a league to begin with ) or the league sucks. I know there are a few good league who don't require it, but I am one who thinks you should have it to be here.

I also didn't say you were cheap, I said 90% of you are, some people don't have it for a decent reason....but it is rare. Some of you are just 13, and I know I will get blasted by some for this, but we need fewer of you as well.......most will agree with me on that.

Just to clarify, I do in fact have the game. I couldn't very well Commish a league without it... now could I

TopShelf · 10-06-2003, 02:27 PM

I just don't know why people who do not own the game get upset when they are put down for not owning the game, and to CLishe, the reason I say people are cheap for not buying the game, well they are. If you enjoy something so much, how could you not own it? I mean lets look at ways to buy the game, Birthdays, Christmas, having a job, but again, I am only saying people WHO BITCH, or get frustrated with a league that runs OOTP, and they do not own the game, are cheap. Not the non-ootp owners who just like to play in a league, and get as much enjoyment as they can without getting frustrated, thats fine, but if you do not own the game, then do not wreck it for the rest of us who buy the game. You need a baseball bat and a ball to play baseball outside, you would also need a video game ootp to play ootp wouldnt u? if u do not own the game then you are just shadowing what you have to read of the game

blmeanie · 10-06-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Karen Lutz
.....but if your league allows people who dont have the game, the commish either has way too much time (which is why he is probably running a league to begin with ) or the league sucks. I know there are a few good league who don't require it, but I am one who thinks you should have it to be here.

league sucks...or commish has too much time on hands...hmmm

Interesting theory. I commish a decent league and do allow non game owner(s) to participate. Without a doubt it is to keep the league full (initially anyway). I have no problem with an owner or two that use only the html pages and webforms to communicate lineup changes etc. Is it more work for me? Absolutely. Do I have too much time on my hands, hardly.

Perhaps more could be said as to the benefits of owning the game for viewing data and seeing things that need changing, rather than simply blasting those that haven't bought it. Given the choice and money to do so, few would not buy it (IMO). I get it that it is only $35, and having evolved to my late 30's I don't see that as a problem anymore. To classify the non-game owners as teenagers is probably too broad. I remember many days in my 20's that I would have had to make some tough choices to get software when I wanted it.

With the on-line league forum always showing 5-10 active leagues looking for owners, many leagues need any participants they can find to fill out the league. I'm in a few "good" leagues that are rarely full to capacity.

Curious if anybody has ever tried to calculate how many active on-line leagues there are at a point in time. Then calculate how many teams there are in those leagues, and finally, how many open vacancies in those leagues at any point in time...

azkyote84 · 10-06-2003, 03:27 PM

I agree with blmeanie's comments.

IMO, to say that a league probably sucks because they have an owner or two who doesn't own the game is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.

oh..wait....actually, saying a person can't participate in a public forum because they have not purchased the product is even more idiotic...

grindz601 · 10-06-2003, 03:34 PM

Karen you take some big shots at people. I'm only 16 its not like I have the money to just out and by whatever I want. You guys rip me for not having the game. Just take a step back and look at what type of person you are. You rip me for not being able to go out and by a game. How low can you people in this world really go. Has it gotten this bad that we have people that bitch about this. I mean really just think about what you are saying. I can guarentee that about 15% of all GMS don't own OOTP5. So just calm down about it.

Karen I want to see your you accompilshments as an owner of OOTP5 and I can show you mine. They mite be the same. You own it I don't but we are just as good of managers.

So please guys calm down I don't own the game. But the commish has the decision to let me in or not. If you get mad at anybody get mad at the commish. Also if you want to rip me for not having the game like some of you have done. Don't make them public e-mail me here grindz@csikids.org

azkyote84 · 10-06-2003, 03:52 PM

10-04-2003, 01:04 PM	#1
grindz601 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 142	Looking to join a league. I will join any league doesn't have to be a certain type. I'm looking to join 2 leagues at the least and 5 at the most. E-mail me here grindz@csikids.org and tell me what info you need from me.

10-04-2003, 02:36 PM	#2
nmleague All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 976	The NML still has 4 openings __________________ Northern Midwest League Commissoner Escanaba Miners - NML

10-04-2003, 02:38 PM	#3
grindz601 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 142	is ootp5 required. __________________ There's NO crying in Baseball!

10-04-2003, 03:23 PM	#4
nmleague All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 976	yes __________________ Northern Midwest League Commissoner Escanaba Miners - NML

10-04-2003, 03:27 PM	#5
grindz601 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 142	well count me out then. __________________ There's NO crying in Baseball!

10-05-2003, 03:55 AM	#6
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	is it just me, or is this an ootp forum? I honestly thought that to be in a league you would require ootp......call me sick of people who want to be in a league who don't even have the game. Sad thing is, 90% of you are just cheap!

10-05-2003, 07:41 AM	#8
grindz601 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 142	Karen I really don't have the money to just go spend 35$ on a game when people let me into leagues without having it. __________________ There's NO crying in Baseball!

10-05-2003, 05:19 PM	#9
cibl commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 611	Personally if someone wants to be in a league without the game, I wouldn't always have a problem with it. The biggest problem I have found though, is they are completely blind when it comes down to extensions and free agents. That obviously can hurt and in some cases screw a team up badly. Not only that but it also causes a lot of extra work for the commish of the league as well. If someone wants to let people in without the game that is their business, personally however I've done it once and wouldn't do it again just because of the extra headaches it causes. Nothing against Grindz though, he did spend some time in the CIBL and was a good owner, at least as good as he could be without the game. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Rick

10-06-2003, 12:42 AM	#10
TopShelf Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: B.C Canada Posts: 110	DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU GET OFFENED FOR NOT OWNING OOTPI dont know, when you really get down and think about it, people who do not own ootp are cheap. They must pay to have a computer, and have the internet, a mouse a keyboard, a house to live in, a power surply and they must be eating food to survive to say. "COUNT ME OUT" when they get slammed because they don't own OTTP. I am by no means mocking people without OOTP, but how can you afford all your aplliances and needs, and not have 35 bucks? You dont get paid in exact paychecks to cover all your belongings and not have spare money. I know some people have it rough, but why come to OOTP.com to join up? If i didnt own an Xbox, I would not go to xboxlive.com and ask if i can join a Halo2 league, and assume its going to be ok, and that people will give me a PBP on the action. I am the first person to help out anyone without OOTP, i have a few in my league, and I have made it so enjoyable for them, but I have really gotten sick of people on here who RAG, that they cant get in a league cause they dont have the game, or they do not like the league they were asked to join. For someone who dosnt own OTTP, add up all the hours you spend playin a OOTP sim, it would be about 5 hours a week maybe. Now go out of your home, to either, play pool, go to a movie, play at a arcade, etc. and do that for 5 hours, it will cost you money, whats the difference here? it is entertaining you, so be happy. Why not make a jar, and put your change in it for 1 month, is it that bad? I think if you do not own OTTP, you should take what u get, because the odds are in your court to leave when Free Agents come, and you can't handle not being told every minute who wants what. Fantasy Yahoo, Sandbox, ESPN, were made for people who do not want to own a program to play a game, is that not enough? I do not make millions of dollers, but for the amount of time I use OTTP, I would seriously pay 200 dollers a month to have the hours i spend on it added up. I think I say that because i understand everything costs something, and if it passes long hours and many hours, it is worth alot If you are really crunching for cash, sell the comp, and the internet, and buy your needs. Do not wine that you have no money, untill you are on the street with 25 cents and a box, that is when u do not have 35 bucks I am sorry if this offended anyone owning OOTP, but of course if u owned OOTP you wouldnt be offended, and I payed 35 bucks which gives me the write to say what i feel, without one word of bad remarks or language, and if you got upset, for reading this, then you should of not read this. __________________ http://www.aaronsmart.com/]-(Founder)- "Don’t water the pavement. Position your sprinkler so water lands on the lawn not on pavement" Last edited by TopShelf; 10-06-2003 at 12:44 AM.

10-06-2003, 02:35 AM	#11
Cliche Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 210	deposits 2 cents That's all well and good, but I fail to see what one persons decision to buy OOTP or not has to do with anothers behavior. Assuming that someone is "cheap" because they don't have OOTP just displays your own character flaws. Your assertion that someone has to be destitute to not have 35 dollars is ridiculous. I played in a few OOTP leagues through the summer without owning the game, because I didn't have 35 dollars (or more accurately 50+ dollars Canadian). Having access to a computer or the internet doesn't mean that you're affluent or have a lot of disposable income laying around. I know I can speak for myself, and probably others when I say that I couldn't raise 35$ American in a month by saving my spare change. But I digress, my point is simple. "Cheap" is far too general a label given the diversity of living standards, cultures and situations that everyone has to live with... and I just felt it was a bit closeminded to assume that people must be choosing not to pay for OOTP. __________________ GUBA - Bogota Toros

10-06-2003, 02:27 PM	#16
TopShelf Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: B.C Canada Posts: 110	I just don't know why people who do not own the game get upset when they are put down for not owning the game, and to CLishe, the reason I say people are cheap for not buying the game, well they are. If you enjoy something so much, how could you not own it? I mean lets look at ways to buy the game, Birthdays, Christmas, having a job, but again, I am only saying people WHO BITCH, or get frustrated with a league that runs OOTP, and they do not own the game, are cheap. Not the non-ootp owners who just like to play in a league, and get as much enjoyment as they can without getting frustrated, thats fine, but if you do not own the game, then do not wreck it for the rest of us who buy the game. You need a baseball bat and a ball to play baseball outside, you would also need a video game ootp to play ootp wouldnt u? if u do not own the game then you are just shadowing what you have to read of the game __________________ http://www.aaronsmart.com/]-(Founder)- "Don’t water the pavement. Position your sprinkler so water lands on the lawn not on pavement"

10-06-2003, 03:27 PM	#18
azkyote84 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fosston, MN Posts: 328	I agree with blmeanie's comments. IMO, to say that a league probably sucks because they have an owner or two who doesn't own the game is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. oh..wait....actually, saying a person can't participate in a public forum because they have not purchased the product is even more idiotic... __________________ Andy - Future Author of: "Kyote Capenomics and You" Baseball Union Boston Resolute - 1907, 1908, 1909 Union Champions! Looking for 4! ABL Old - School 1999 NL Expansion Franchise

10-06-2003, 03:34 PM	#19
grindz601 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 142	Karen you take some big shots at people. I'm only 16 its not like I have the money to just out and by whatever I want. You guys rip me for not having the game. Just take a step back and look at what type of person you are. You rip me for not being able to go out and by a game. How low can you people in this world really go. Has it gotten this bad that we have people that bitch about this. I mean really just think about what you are saying. I can guarentee that about 15% of all GMS don't own OOTP5. So just calm down about it. Karen I want to see your you accompilshments as an owner of OOTP5 and I can show you mine. They mite be the same. You own it I don't but we are just as good of managers. So please guys calm down I don't own the game. But the commish has the decision to let me in or not. If you get mad at anybody get mad at the commish. Also if you want to rip me for not having the game like some of you have done. Don't make them public e-mail me here grindz@csikids.org __________________ There's NO crying in Baseball!

10-06-2003, 03:52 PM	#20
azkyote84 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fosston, MN Posts: 328	__________________ Andy - Future Author of: "Kyote Capenomics and You" Baseball Union Boston Resolute - 1907, 1908, 1909 Union Champions! Looking for 4! ABL Old - School 1999 NL Expansion Franchise