Owner DB for GMs

IatricSB · 09-17-2003, 03:56 PM

I know this is controversial and I think it was suggested before, but its unfortunate that there isn't some way for commishes to be warned of some users prior to them joining. Nothing is fool proof though since an owner can change his identity, but it would be helpful if you knew something about some prospective owners. I know of one that's been thrown out of one league for cheating (tanking), has been accused in two other leagues and possibly one other one. Seems to me that Commishes would benefit from at least being warned ahead of time. But then I hate the idea of a blackball list since I would hate to see McCarthyism return.

MTXperience · 09-17-2003, 05:12 PM

I bandied about the idea after the week of vmlb/mfitterer. Seemed to be little enthusiasm for it, and it would really just be hard to enforce in practice. If we didn't live in a world where 14 year olds could obtain new yahoo/hotmail/whathaveyou accounts at whim, it would be feasable.

Cowboys3356 · 09-17-2003, 06:48 PM

Perhaps there could just be a listing of leagues people could join that do not have any of these high school/college age kids in them. Leagues that somehow could verify ages prior to allowing someone to join. I am not sure if this is possible but it would be nice to join a league with ony adults and not a bunch of children still trying to "find out who they are" or "exploring the world around". I tire of childish antics and foolishness.

scotto313 · 09-17-2003, 06:54 PM

I have been wanting to join an online league for awhile now but I have been warned to tread cautiously. I would love to know the best online leagues so that I can put my name on their list in the event of an opening.

MTXperience · 09-17-2003, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by scotto313
I have been wanting to join an online league for awhile now but I have been warned to tread cautiously. I would love to know the best online leagues so that I can put my name on their list in the event of an opening.

Well I'd recommend any of the 3 leagues in my sig. Though you may not want to take the word of a 23-year old college student who may still need to "find who he is".

WBLPresident · 09-18-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cowboys3356
Perhaps there could just be a listing of leagues people could join that do not have any of these high school/college age kids in them. Leagues that somehow could verify ages prior to allowing someone to join. I am not sure if this is possible but it would be nice to join a league with ony adults and not a bunch of children still trying to "find out who they are" or "exploring the world around". I tire of childish antics and foolishness.

Not all people you consider kids, like college students, are out to do pitiful stunts and figure out who they are. I'm more dedicated to the leagues I'm in than you could ever be and I'm in college.

WBLPresident · 09-18-2003, 02:47 PM

I do agree with the idea of having a list of people that have caused trouble in other leagues though.

UKSubs · 09-18-2003, 03:52 PM

I think a database would be nothing more than a crutch for commissioners to not do their homework on who they let join their league.

You should always take the time to think about who is joining your league and find a way to screen good owner candidates from bad owner candidates. Is any system perfect? Of course not. But if you put the effort into getting good matches for your league, then for the most part, you will have a league full of strong, dedicated owners.

Of course, the major problem with this for most leagues is that they don't have a long waiting list or the ability to make a post on the message board to get five or so good candidates in a day. So, some leagues might take an owner who has a troubled past or is someone under a new name.

So, while an owner database sounds good in theory, I think in practice, it would lead to a more relaxed attitude on letting people in their league. Also, considering how easy it is to be someone new online, once someone ends up on the list, it's just time for a new alias.

ill16ca · 09-18-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cowboys3356
Perhaps there could just be a listing of leagues people could join that do not have any of these high school/college age kids in them. Leagues that somehow could verify ages prior to allowing someone to join. I am not sure if this is possible but it would be nice to join a league with ony adults and not a bunch of children still trying to "find out who they are" or "exploring the world around". I tire of childish antics and foolishness.

Well, that was a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

Cowboys3356 · 09-18-2003, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WBLPresident
Not all people you consider kids, like college students, are out to do pitiful stunts and figure out who they are. I'm more dedicated to the leagues I'm in than you could ever be and I'm in college.

How do you know you are more dedicated to the leagues you are in than I am? You do not know me and your statement merely proves my point. I am not going to get into a flame war over this but knock yourself out.

The bottom line is that 99% of the time when there is cheating or other online league problems, there is a high school or college age individual behind it. This can not be debated and is simply the truth.

I look forward to watching the outraged and angry responses of young people who "know it all" and are ready to take the world by storm!!!

lol

WBLPresident · 09-18-2003, 08:20 PM

look at this site: http://thewbl.vzz.net/index.htm

When your done if you can say I'm not committed and put far more work into the league than any other little sim around you let me know, cuz every person in my league will vouch for me! Point is don't stereotype.

blmeanie · 09-18-2003, 10:47 PM

nice looking site, well done...if only the 7 popups didn't all bombard me at the same time.

With a good site like that, might be worth looking for a host without the popups. I realize you're in school, but big detractor, at least for me.

ill16ca · 09-18-2003, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cowboys3356
The bottom line is that 99% of the time when there is cheating or other online league problems, there is a high school or college age individual behind it. This can not be debated and is simply the truth.

I look forward to watching the outraged and angry responses of young people who "know it all" and are ready to take the world by storm!!!

lol

It's likely true that more often than not, cheating comes from younger people. But I still don't see any concrete evidence from you.

I would also say that there are probably more mature young people playing this game than there are immature young people. Quite a different percentage than something like Counterstrike, for example.

I've also seen a lot of adults act like asses. Judging by your posts and your "I hate kiddies" philosophy, I could very easily put you in that category if I wanted to.

Quite often, you can't tell a person's age unless they tell you how old they are. An example would be myself. Several times I've been mistaken for being an adult, until I told them I was only 18.

WBLPresident · 09-18-2003, 11:34 PM

sorry bout the pop ups most of the guys in the league get a good pop up block, cuz no one is gonna pay for a host. We just work with it.

Jeremy Weimer · 09-19-2003, 01:08 AM

Great that we have adults in this game that also seem to think they know it all but also seem to think they're perfect and can commit no wrong. I like how you insult people of youth and say they're immature and such and then you turn around and throw in a comment at the end of your post to goad people in to arguing and fighting with you, that's a real grown up thing to do. Stereotyping a whole age group based on the actions of a few individuals isn't the right thing to do. Since you're an adult I guess you're getting up there in age and probably are becoming forgetul about certain things and are close minded on all subjects that are of real concern. You have your viewpoints and are sticking to them no matter what because you're an adult and no one can tell you any different. Am I right? Maybe, maybe not. The point is I just did the same thing you're doing to the so called "immature" people that are younger than 21 in this game. You're stereotyping everyone in an age group and it's not the right thing to do. Don't base your feelings of someone on their age, base it on their actions. Age means nothing really, it's all about how a person acts.

LawndaleFam · 09-19-2003, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cowboys3356
How do you know you are more dedicated to the leagues you are in than I am? You do not know me and your statement merely proves my point. I am not going to get into a flame war over this but knock yourself out.

The bottom line is that 99% of the time when there is cheating or other online league problems, there is a high school or college age individual behind it. This can not be debated and is simply the truth.

I look forward to watching the outraged and angry responses of young people who "know it all" and are ready to take the world by storm!!!

lol

Good lord what are you 73? I'm afraid to say anything else b/c I don't want a garden hose turned on me.

Carlton · 09-19-2003, 01:40 PM

hey wbl, like the Did you know spot. What exactly do you do there? Is it for stats or do you 'make-up' a story about one of your ficitional players?

Carlton · 09-19-2003, 01:43 PM

But anyway

blackballing is wrong, in any regard.
Sometimes it could be a clash of personality
Sometimes the Commish could be in the wrong and the GM gets the label

In ANY circumstance, OOTP sales will probably go down by 20 people or so and that's not a good thing.

In most cases the person is found out right away, and its a quick ousting, I am just lucky that I have seen none of these antics in any of my leagues

IatricSB · 09-19-2003, 01:56 PM

Unfortunately I've learned the hard way... like UKSubs said, you have to screen your owners. When I recently started a new league, I didn't want to come off as an elitist league that only allows a select few in, so I opened it up to anyone that wanted to join. In the majority of the owners, I think I have a solid group and the start of a good league.

However, we've already had two cases of suspected cheating/tanking and two cases of someone fiddling with other peoples lineups. In once incident, a first place team had two players changed in his lineup and in one sim he dropped from looking like a lock for first to being mathematically eliminated. AND THIS IS ONLY IN THE FIRST WEEK OF THE LEAGUE!

In 17 years of simming Boys of Summer and 12 years of simming Golden Days, I've never had this before. It's unfortunate that people can't realize its just a game and theres nothing to be gained by cheating since it results in a hollow victory at best.

I have no idea of the various owners in the league so I'm not going to make an age judgement unless its in reference to their emotional age and that can affect anyone of any physical age. Hopefully we can weed out the troublemaker(s) and keep the strong core group we seem to have.

Cooleyvol · 09-19-2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by WBLPresident
, cuz no one is gonna pay for a host.

.........oh, really?

09-17-2003, 03:56 PM	#1
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	Owner DB for GMs I know this is controversial and I think it was suggested before, but its unfortunate that there isn't some way for commishes to be warned of some users prior to them joining. Nothing is fool proof though since an owner can change his identity, but it would be helpful if you knew something about some prospective owners. I know of one that's been thrown out of one league for cheating (tanking), has been accused in two other leagues and possibly one other one. Seems to me that Commishes would benefit from at least being warned ahead of time. But then I hate the idea of a blackball list since I would hate to see McCarthyism return. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards Last edited by IatricSB; 09-17-2003 at 05:21 PM.

09-18-2003, 03:52 PM	#8
UKSubs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 272	I think a database would be nothing more than a crutch for commissioners to not do their homework on who they let join their league. You should always take the time to think about who is joining your league and find a way to screen good owner candidates from bad owner candidates. Is any system perfect? Of course not. But if you put the effort into getting good matches for your league, then for the most part, you will have a league full of strong, dedicated owners. Of course, the major problem with this for most leagues is that they don't have a long waiting list or the ability to make a post on the message board to get five or so good candidates in a day. So, some leagues might take an owner who has a troubled past or is someone under a new name. So, while an owner database sounds good in theory, I think in practice, it would lead to a more relaxed attitude on letting people in their league. Also, considering how easy it is to be someone new online, once someone ends up on the list, it's just time for a new alias. __________________ Counter Culture Baseball Commissioner/Houston Astros RANZBA Adelaide Crows

09-18-2003, 08:20 PM	#11
WBLPresident Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Wentzville, MO Posts: 85	look at this site: http://thewbl.vzz.net/index.htm When your done if you can say I'm not committed and put far more work into the league than any other little sim around you let me know, cuz every person in my league will vouch for me! Point is don't stereotype. Last edited by WBLPresident; 09-18-2003 at 08:25 PM.

09-18-2003, 10:47 PM	#12
blmeanie All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,044	nice looking site, well done...if only the 7 popups didn't all bombard me at the same time. With a good site like that, might be worth looking for a host without the popups. I realize you're in school, but big detractor, at least for me. __________________ blmeanie email me at blmeanie Above link works for some email client programs but not all, email me at blmeanie33@earthlink.net

09-19-2003, 01:40 PM	#17
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	hey wbl, like the Did you know spot. What exactly do you do there? Is it for stats or do you 'make-up' a story about one of your ficitional players? __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

09-17-2003, 05:12 PM	#2
MTXperience Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 372	I bandied about the idea after the week of vmlb/mfitterer. Seemed to be little enthusiasm for it, and it would really just be hard to enforce in practice. If we didn't live in a world where 14 year olds could obtain new yahoo/hotmail/whathaveyou accounts at whim, it would be feasable.

09-17-2003, 06:48 PM	#3
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	Perhaps there could just be a listing of leagues people could join that do not have any of these high school/college age kids in them. Leagues that somehow could verify ages prior to allowing someone to join. I am not sure if this is possible but it would be nice to join a league with ony adults and not a bunch of children still trying to "find out who they are" or "exploring the world around". I tire of childish antics and foolishness.

09-17-2003, 06:54 PM	#4
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	I have been wanting to join an online league for awhile now but I have been warned to tread cautiously. I would love to know the best online leagues so that I can put my name on their list in the event of an opening.

09-18-2003, 02:47 PM	#7
WBLPresident Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Wentzville, MO Posts: 85	I do agree with the idea of having a list of people that have caused trouble in other leagues though.

09-18-2003, 11:34 PM	#14
WBLPresident Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Wentzville, MO Posts: 85	sorry bout the pop ups most of the guys in the league get a good pop up block, cuz no one is gonna pay for a host. We just work with it.

09-19-2003, 01:08 AM	#15
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Great that we have adults in this game that also seem to think they know it all but also seem to think they're perfect and can commit no wrong. I like how you insult people of youth and say they're immature and such and then you turn around and throw in a comment at the end of your post to goad people in to arguing and fighting with you, that's a real grown up thing to do. Stereotyping a whole age group based on the actions of a few individuals isn't the right thing to do. Since you're an adult I guess you're getting up there in age and probably are becoming forgetul about certain things and are close minded on all subjects that are of real concern. You have your viewpoints and are sticking to them no matter what because you're an adult and no one can tell you any different. Am I right? Maybe, maybe not. The point is I just did the same thing you're doing to the so called "immature" people that are younger than 21 in this game. You're stereotyping everyone in an age group and it's not the right thing to do. Don't base your feelings of someone on their age, base it on their actions. Age means nothing really, it's all about how a person acts.

09-19-2003, 01:43 PM	#18
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	But anyway blackballing is wrong, in any regard. Sometimes it could be a clash of personality Sometimes the Commish could be in the wrong and the GM gets the label In ANY circumstance, OOTP sales will probably go down by 20 people or so and that's not a good thing. In most cases the person is found out right away, and its a quick ousting, I am just lucky that I have seen none of these antics in any of my leagues __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

09-19-2003, 01:56 PM	#19
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	Unfortunately I've learned the hard way... like UKSubs said, you have to screen your owners. When I recently started a new league, I didn't want to come off as an elitist league that only allows a select few in, so I opened it up to anyone that wanted to join. In the majority of the owners, I think I have a solid group and the start of a good league. However, we've already had two cases of suspected cheating/tanking and two cases of someone fiddling with other peoples lineups. In once incident, a first place team had two players changed in his lineup and in one sim he dropped from looking like a lock for first to being mathematically eliminated. AND THIS IS ONLY IN THE FIRST WEEK OF THE LEAGUE! In 17 years of simming Boys of Summer and 12 years of simming Golden Days, I've never had this before. It's unfortunate that people can't realize its just a game and theres nothing to be gained by cheating since it results in a hollow victory at best. I have no idea of the various owners in the league so I'm not going to make an age judgement unless its in reference to their emotional age and that can affect anyone of any physical age. Hopefully we can weed out the troublemaker(s) and keep the strong core group we seem to have. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards