Jesse Barfield career path

sixto · 08-23-2003, 09:05 PM

So...ever seen a career path like this in OOTP?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/barfije01.shtml

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Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 

+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+

 1981 21 TOR AL  25   95    7   22   3  2   2    9   4  3   4  19  .232  .270  .368   35   0   0   0   1   4

 1982 22 TOR AL 139  394   54   97  13  2  18   58   1  4  42  79  .246  .323  .426  168   6   1   3   3   7

 1983 23 TOR AL 128  388   58   98  13  3  27   68   2  5  22 110  .253  .296  .510  198   1   5   0   4   8

 1984 24 TOR AL 110  320   51   91  14  1  14   49   8  2  35  81  .284  .357  .466  149   1   2   5   2   5

 1985 25 TOR AL 155  539   94  156  34  9  27   84  22  8  66 143  .289  .369  .536  289   0   3   5   4  14

 1986 26 TOR AL 158  589  107  170  35  2  40  108   8  8  69 146  .289  .368  .559  329   0   5   5   8   9

 1987 27 TOR AL 159  590   89  155  25  3  28   84   3  5  58 141  .263  .331  .458  270   1   2   7   3  13

 1988 28 TOR AL 137  468   62  114  21  5  18   56   7  3  41 108  .244  .302  .425  199   4   6   6   1  10

 1989 29 TOR AL  21   80    8   16   4  0   5   11   0  2   5  28  .200  .256  .438   35   0   0   0   1   0

         NYY AL 129  441   71  106  19  1  18   56   5  3  82 122  .240  .360  .410  181   1   3   6   2   8

         TOT AL 150  521   79  122  23  1  23   67   5  5  87 150  .234  .345  .415  216   1   3   6   3   8

 1990 30 NYY AL 153  476   69  117  21  2  25   78   4  3  82 150  .246  .359  .456  217   2   5   4   5   6

 1991 31 NYY AL  84  284   37   64  12  0  17   48   1  0  36  80  .225  .312  .447  127   0   1   6   0  11

 1992 32 NYY AL  30   95    8   13   2  0   2    7   1  1   9  27  .137  .210  .221   21   0   1   2   0   5

+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+

 12 Seasons         4759      1219     30      716     47    1234  .256  .335  .466       16  34  49  34 100

Draft Dodger · 08-23-2003, 09:56 PM

he came up before he was 25, so no.

Specs · 08-23-2003, 10:45 PM

You mean someone who peaked for one season and went promptly back to sucking? In the CDL, Barfield is now 28 and playing (poorly) for his fourth major league team. As with all players in OOTP, he figures to play this way until he's 35, get slightly and then dramatically worse, and then promptly retire after one bad season.

sixto · 08-23-2003, 11:12 PM

No actually I meant someone who debuts at 21, is good for 10 years, and out of the game by age 32.

ClassicMLB · 08-23-2003, 11:43 PM

No this looks about right. OOTP's biggest flaw is how poorly it handles player aging. Guys never last for any length of time and there is almost no way you will ever see someone who plays great at 35+ years old without editing.

Hopefully this will be corrected...Markus are you listening?!?!?

ATypicalGiantsFan · 08-23-2003, 11:53 PM

Thats not true I have had 2 or 3 guys in solo leagues who were allstars at age 40

tyler · 08-24-2003, 01:17 AM

Yep, I had a solo league going where Larry Walker, aged 40, lead the league in home runs and was 5th in AVG. He stuck around until he was about 43 then retired, despite still being an above average player.

-tyler

DevilsAdvocate · 08-24-2003, 03:36 AM

The stats he pasted in his msg were Barfields REAL MLB stats, not OOTP stats. He was just wondering if this ever happens in OOTP as well. In respect with players retiring in their early 30s.

I myself have seen players retire before Age 30, but very rarely. In early 30s, a bit more while majority of players in OOTP retire at 36ish. Some last after 40 and still perform well, but very few.

Henry · 08-24-2003, 09:28 AM

It happens both ways. I've ran maybe 25 50 year seasons over the past year and there are many player development curves. Not saying they are distributed properly, but I would be hard pressed to come up with a curve that I haven't seen.

scotto313 · 08-24-2003, 11:28 AM

I had Buddy Bell put up very respectable numbers till he was 42. He was used mostly at DH for the latter years.

ClassicMLB · 08-24-2003, 12:09 PM

Then I guess I just have a "bad" version of the game because the computer DESTROYS all players once they reach their early 30s. It really ruins the game.

sixto · 08-24-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by ClassicMLB
Then I guess I just have a "bad" version of the game because the computer DESTROYS all players once they reach their early 30s. It really ruins the game.

I think we're getting a little confused here. Barfield's career was over at 32, not 42. The point is that in OOTP players never play 10-12 year careers that begin at 21 and end at 32.

If you are having what you describe above, please provide some examples because I have not seen it.

scotto313 · 08-24-2003, 01:18 PM

I think if you look at a large cross section of players over many years you will find it to be very much like real life. There are a small number of quality players in MLB over 40.

Specs · 08-24-2003, 01:45 PM

the LIST

Jamie Moyer

Nuk · 08-24-2003, 02:49 PM

Here's one who's close - Harry Craft - GGB

Harry Craft career stats

He took talent hits at 32, played poorly, and retired after one year of AAA at 33.

ClassicMLB · 08-24-2003, 04:45 PM

I don't care about guys being good at 40, the problem is that in GENERAL OOTP starts destroying guys at around 31 or 32 which is insane but oh well. I guess if I don't like it I should design my own game! lol

Henry · 08-24-2003, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by ClassicMLB
I don't care about guys being good at 40, the problem is that in GENERAL OOTP starts destroying guys at around 31 or 32 which is insane but oh well. I guess if I don't like it I should design my own game! lol

I hate to take issue here - but this statement simply is not true. If you mean guys "start" to take hits around 32 then yes - but many go on to their late 30s and some into their 40s. My test runs have confirmed that just about the right number fall into each age bracket as real life.

sixto · 08-24-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nuk
Here's one who's close - Harry Craft - GGB

Harry Craft career stats

He took talent hits at 32, played poorly, and retired after one year of AAA at 33.

Yes, that's the sort of player I'm looking for. I have not seen many myself. Make that none.

I am seeing a few more players start careers early since the 5.12 patch, which is pleasing. Not enough, but it's a start. Middling players still hold on too long instead of being replaced around age 30 by younger versions of themselves.

scotto313 · 08-24-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Specs
the LIST

Jamie Moyer

Bonds will make it soon.

Skipaway · 08-25-2003, 12:06 AM

I think OOTP did well in the aspect of simulating good player careers. However, for lesser talents, life is just different in OOTP and real life. There is no chance a team would use over 20 different pitchers a season as some teams do these days. The record was 37 I believe? There are far too few fringe players in the game comparing to real life.

I don't have enough stats to really support the above observation though. The game would not record fringe players in retired player list.

08-23-2003, 09:05 PM	#1
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,262	Jesse Barfield career path So...ever seen a career path like this in OOTP? http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/barfije01.shtml PHP Code: Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 1981 21 TOR AL 25 95 7 22 3 2 2 9 4 3 4 19 .232 .270 .368 35 0 0 0 1 4 1982 22 TOR AL 139 394 54 97 13 2 18 58 1 4 42 79 .246 .323 .426 168 6 1 3 3 7 1983 23 TOR AL 128 388 58 98 13 3 27 68 2 5 22 110 .253 .296 .510 198 1 5 0 4 8 1984 24 TOR AL 110 320 51 91 14 1 14 49 8 2 35 81 .284 .357 .466 149 1 2 5 2 5 1985 25 TOR AL 155 539 94 156 34 9 27 84 22 8 66 143 .289 .369 .536 289 0 3 5 4 14 1986 26 TOR AL 158 589 107 170 35 2 40 108 8 8 69 146 .289 .368 .559 329 0 5 5 8 9 1987 27 TOR AL 159 590 89 155 25 3 28 84 3 5 58 141 .263 .331 .458 270 1 2 7 3 13 1988 28 TOR AL 137 468 62 114 21 5 18 56 7 3 41 108 .244 .302 .425 199 4 6 6 1 10 1989 29 TOR AL 21 80 8 16 4 0 5 11 0 2 5 28 .200 .256 .438 35 0 0 0 1 0 NYY AL 129 441 71 106 19 1 18 56 5 3 82 122 .240 .360 .410 181 1 3 6 2 8 TOT AL 150 521 79 122 23 1 23 67 5 5 87 150 .234 .345 .415 216 1 3 6 3 8 1990 30 NYY AL 153 476 69 117 21 2 25 78 4 3 82 150 .246 .359 .456 217 2 5 4 5 6 1991 31 NYY AL 84 284 37 64 12 0 17 48 1 0 36 80 .225 .312 .447 127 0 1 6 0 11 1992 32 NYY AL 30 95 8 13 2 0 2 7 1 1 9 27 .137 .210 .221 21 0 1 2 0 5 +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 12 Seasons 4759 1219 30 716 47 1234 .256 .335 .466 16 34 49 34 100

08-23-2003, 09:56 PM	#2
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	he came up before he was 25, so no. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

08-23-2003, 11:53 PM	#6
ATypicalGiantsFan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 105	Thats not true I have had 2 or 3 guys in solo leagues who were allstars at age 40 __________________ According to the Chicago Tribune, the following statistic was given in the press notes for a Chicago-Oakland game: The Oakland Athletics are 32-0 in games in which they have scored more runs than their opponents. Phil Rizzuto - "Hey Yogi I think we're lost." - Yogi Berra - "Ya, but we're making great time!" "I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early."-Berra

08-24-2003, 03:36 AM	#8
DevilsAdvocate Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Belize Posts: 14	The stats he pasted in his msg were Barfields REAL MLB stats, not OOTP stats. He was just wondering if this ever happens in OOTP as well. In respect with players retiring in their early 30s. I myself have seen players retire before Age 30, but very rarely. In early 30s, a bit more while majority of players in OOTP retire at 36ish. Some last after 40 and still perform well, but very few. __________________ ________________________ Le veré en infierno

08-25-2003, 12:06 AM	#20
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	I think OOTP did well in the aspect of simulating good player careers. However, for lesser talents, life is just different in OOTP and real life. There is no chance a team would use over 20 different pitchers a season as some teams do these days. The record was 37 I believe? There are far too few fringe players in the game comparing to real life. I don't have enough stats to really support the above observation though. The game would not record fringe players in retired player list. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

08-23-2003, 11:12 PM	#4
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,262	No actually I meant someone who debuts at 21, is good for 10 years, and out of the game by age 32.

08-23-2003, 11:43 PM	#5
ClassicMLB Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 137	No this looks about right. OOTP's biggest flaw is how poorly it handles player aging. Guys never last for any length of time and there is almost no way you will ever see someone who plays great at 35+ years old without editing. Hopefully this will be corrected...Markus are you listening?!?!?

08-24-2003, 01:17 AM	#7
tyler Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 24	Yep, I had a solo league going where Larry Walker, aged 40, lead the league in home runs and was 5th in AVG. He stuck around until he was about 43 then retired, despite still being an above average player. -tyler

08-24-2003, 09:28 AM	#9
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	It happens both ways. I've ran maybe 25 50 year seasons over the past year and there are many player development curves. Not saying they are distributed properly, but I would be hard pressed to come up with a curve that I haven't seen.

08-24-2003, 11:28 AM	#10
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	I had Buddy Bell put up very respectable numbers till he was 42. He was used mostly at DH for the latter years.

08-24-2003, 12:09 PM	#11
ClassicMLB Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 137	Then I guess I just have a "bad" version of the game because the computer DESTROYS all players once they reach their early 30s. It really ruins the game.

08-24-2003, 01:18 PM	#13
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	I think if you look at a large cross section of players over many years you will find it to be very much like real life. There are a small number of quality players in MLB over 40.

08-24-2003, 02:49 PM	#15
Nuk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 215	Here's one who's close - Harry Craft - GGB Harry Craft career stats He took talent hits at 32, played poorly, and retired after one year of AAA at 33.

08-24-2003, 04:45 PM	#16
ClassicMLB Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 137	I don't care about guys being good at 40, the problem is that in GENERAL OOTP starts destroying guys at around 31 or 32 which is insane but oh well. I guess if I don't like it I should design my own game! lol