Red Sox future

draven085 · 08-19-2003, 09:25 AM

After next year a number of key Red Sox players will be free agents. Pedro, Nomahhh, Lowe, and Varitek. Which of these players WILL the Sox re-sign, and which should they? Discuss.

koohead · 08-19-2003, 10:03 AM

Doesn't matter. The Bosox will want all of them back, but they'll be tired of watching baseball in October instead of playing it, so they'll jump ship

Skipaway · 08-19-2003, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by draven085
After next year a number of key Red Sox players will be free agents. Pedro, Nomahhh, Lowe, and Varitek. Which of these players WILL the Sox re-sign, and which should they? Discuss.

Are you a school teacher?

Discuss.

draven085 · 08-19-2003, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Skipaway
Are you a school teacher?

Discuss.

No. This thread is actually about the Red Sox impending free agent problems, but thank you for playing. Maybe the Sox should just trade Manny, Nomar, and Pedro for Ichiro. I heard on ESPN that he is really good.

Personally I think the Sox should try and sign Pedro and Nomar. Neither is that old and should have several solid seasons left. Nomar is the heart and soul of this team and is the 2nd best SS in baseball. I wish he'd learn a bit more discipline at the plate, but its hard to argue with the numbers he puts up.

Pedro is a different case. He is a primadonna, no doubt, but he rates as the most effective pitcher in MLB on a per inning basis (at least according to Bill James). My ultimate nightmare is that the Sox let him walk and he signs with the Yankees. That thought keeps me up at night.

I'd let Lowe and Varitek walk. I love Tek but he's getting older for a catcher and I'd rather spend the $ on Pedro and Nomar. Lowe is a headcase who never be as good as he was last year.

Skipaway · 08-19-2003, 10:40 AM

Heh, this is the way the thread should have started. You are probably right about Garciaparra, unless he's asking for Jeter money. He's better than Jeter, but Red Sox should not pay him like that. And it's still early, Nomar did get hurt from time to time.

Pedro is even harder to figure out health-wise. Lots of people considered it bad for the Red Sox to pick up his option so early this year. He always got hurt. What I dream of these days are actually having the Yankees signing him 5 years 150 mils had him only pitch 5 starts a year for them. Unless someone find a way to fully ultilize Pedro without him getting hurt.......

And you might not need to let Lowe walk after all. If Lowe keeps what he's being doing this year, he won't be expensive and would not be a bad bottom of rotation guy for the Sox. He and Varitek are just not good enough to decide their fate now. What has the Sox got in the minors to replace Varitek?

Maze&Blue · 08-19-2003, 11:00 AM

A better question is who are they yankees gonna sign out of the group..

ctorg · 08-19-2003, 11:28 AM

I think they should sign Pedro and Nomar, absolutely, and try to keep Lowe if they can. As for Varitek, I'm not sure. Depends on the money, I guess.

H.P. Lovecraft · 08-19-2003, 11:43 AM

I'd like to see them keep all those guys, but you're right that Varitek might be getting old at that point.

Gastric ReFlux · 08-19-2003, 11:44 AM

I really wish the Red Sox would quit fooling around and hire the best doctors to clone Ted Williams.

CommishJoe · 08-19-2003, 01:24 PM

Note that I'm a Yankee fan, so I hope the Red Sox make all the wrong decisions (yeah, like the Yankees have been lately

). In any case...

Nomar is an easy one .. he has to be re-signed. He's the heart and soul of the team, and has to be brought back. If Nomar truly cares about the Red Sox, he won't ask for Jeter money, but you never know.

Pedro is a tougher question. The guy is one of the best SPs in the game, however, he thinks he's the only one on the team that matters. And, he's very fragile. I guess it's from all the weight he has to carry around due to that big fat head of his. I highly doubt he would sign with the Yankees since that verbal sparring match he had with Steiney a while back. Who knows, maybe the Devil Rays will be good enough to afford him by then

Lowe, I don't know too much about, so that's probably a good thing. So, I'd say keep him.

spleen1015 · 08-19-2003, 01:25 PM

The Yankees are going to sign Nomar and make him their 3B.

I don't believe I am the only one who sees this coming.

draven085 · 08-19-2003, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015
The Yankees are going to sign Nomar and make him their 3B.

I don't believe I am the only one who sees this coming.

I am fairly certain Nomar will re-sign with the Sox, but if he doesn't I don't see him going to the Yankees. I wouldn't be suprised if he headed back to the left coast. He hates the media in Boston and probably wouldn't be much happier in NY.

Yankeefan · 08-19-2003, 01:40 PM

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I am fairly certain Nomar will re-sign with the Sox, but if he doesn't I don't see him going to the Yankees. I wouldn't be suprised if he headed back to the left coast. He hates the media in Boston and probably wouldn't be much happier in NY.

I completely agree with you. I can not see Nomar playing anywhere on the East Coast unless he gets BIG money, but my odds are with the Red Sox resigning him. He is just too good to let go.

As for Pedro, I think that they will pass on him. Where is going to go, who knows ........ Maybe Pedro would look good in pinstripes

CommishJoe · 08-19-2003, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by draven085
I am fairly certain Nomar will re-sign with the Sox, but if he doesn't I don't see him going to the Yankees. I wouldn't be suprised if he headed back to the left coast. He hates the media in Boston and probably wouldn't be much happier in NY.

I dont know about that. The media idolizes Jeter. If Nomar plays as well for the Yanks as he does not for the Sox, the media would put him on a pedastel.

If this did happen, I would see Jeter moving to 3rd, but I'm not going to expend too many brain cells on this move, as I figure it's about as likely as Steinbrenner actually learning about baseball.

fluharty · 08-19-2003, 01:56 PM

Do you thing they'll exercise that $4M option in Suppan's contract?

Denton True · 08-19-2003, 02:05 PM

Nomaaahhh is not going anywhere. He is the MVP. Neither is Pedro. You guys who are fans of other teams who are getting your panties all twisted in hopes of landing one of them are just wasting your time. Nomar won't be playing for the Yankees so knock that **** off right now.

spleen1015 · 08-19-2003, 02:06 PM

Nomar would look good in pinstripes.

Don't worry Denton, the Sox can sign Mike Bordick.

mh2365 · 08-19-2003, 02:52 PM

First off Denton shut the f*** up ( I mean that in the nicest way possible )the last time you talked crap about our team they lost 3 of 4 to the O's and the first two to the A's, quit jinxing us more than we already are.

As far as Nomar playing for the Yankees, please guys don't let Yank fans get you upset. Nomar isn't going to play for the Yankees and anyone who watches any baseball at all knows this. He wants to go back to California so if he doesn't re-up with the Carmines then he will be in Cali.

Pedro isn't going anywhere, the Red Sox are probably the only team who will pay him what he wants. They only other team that can afford him are the Yanks and we all know what Pedro thinks of Georgie.

Veritek is a solid player but he is getting to that age where catchers go to ****. Kelly Shoppach is our only prospect at catcher so I'm sure we will find a free agent.

Lowe is a tough call. If he regains form (although it's hard to say he's having a bad year) then he's tough to trade. With Epstein not trading away all our prospects we might be able to have some home grown players in a few years.

SoxWin · 08-19-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by fluharty
Do you thing they'll exercise that $4M option in Suppan's contract?

Why not? He'll do the same job Burkett is for less money. He's no stud but a decent #5 imo. He's a sackless POS but you need 5 starters right ?

Whoever started the thread forgot Nixon who's also a free agent after '04, I wonder if there has ever been a team in history with so many core guys up at one time?

Not sure why you guys think Tek is getting old, he's having his best season ever and is finally showing that the hype he got in college was on the money. Don't forget, before he broke his elbow in '01, he was putting together a season just like this one, serious injuries take time to rehab and I believe we're finally seeing the real Tek.

That being said, he's gone and Shoppach comes up. 8 - 10 mil is going to be more then the Sox want to pay.

Pedro is Pedro, a dominating, whiny, primadona who may be the most dominant pitcher of our generation. He goes to the highest bidder and I'm not sure it should be the Sox. With his injury history and slight build I'd be worried about committing 17 - 20 a season for a guy who's lights out when he plays but is about to finish a 3rd straight sub 200 IP year.

Nomar must and will be resigned I think. The only way I see him going elsewhere is if SD decides to blow him out of the water with an offer to help showcase their new stadium.

Hopefully they can sign Nixon to a 4 year 24 - 28 mil deal after this season and get it out of the way. Again this year he's crushing righties. 3rd in SLG, 9th in OBP, and 5th in AL OPS. Get him a platoon mate to hit lefties and you've got all star numbers out of a guy who personifies the Sox imo.

Unless Lowe can find a way to reattach his sack and reverse the sudden sex change operation he apparently went through in the offseason, next year will be his last as a Red Sox. He's making 5mil now and will want much more then that if he has a respectable year next year. Just watching him pitch scares the hell out of me. He seems to have no confidence and it shows on his face, the dude looks like someone kicked his dog before every damn pitch.

In short, keep Nomar and Trot, Pedro too if his demands are reasonable. It's basically a given that not all of them will be back which is a shame. However, it's not like the current cast has done jack so bringing in some new blood might be the kick in the ass this team needs.

Rich

draven085 · 08-19-2003, 03:01 PM

You're right Rich, I did forget Trotty! He'll be back without a doubt. One of the most underrated players in the game I think. Now if he could just learn to hit a breaking ball from a lefthander....

I said Tek is getting old because he is 31 and catchers typically enter the decline phase of their career earlier than other players because of the wear and tear of catching everyday.

08-19-2003, 09:25 AM	#1
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Red Sox future After next year a number of key Red Sox players will be free agents. Pedro, Nomahhh, Lowe, and Varitek. Which of these players WILL the Sox re-sign, and which should they? Discuss.

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koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,233	Doesn't matter. The Bosox will want all of them back, but they'll be tired of watching baseball in October instead of playing it, so they'll jump ship __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

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ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I think they should sign Pedro and Nomar, absolutely, and try to keep Lowe if they can. As for Varitek, I'm not sure. Depends on the money, I guess. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

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CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Note that I'm a Yankee fan, so I hope the Red Sox make all the wrong decisions (yeah, like the Yankees have been lately ). In any case... Nomar is an easy one .. he has to be re-signed. He's the heart and soul of the team, and has to be brought back. If Nomar truly cares about the Red Sox, he won't ask for Jeter money, but you never know. Pedro is a tougher question. The guy is one of the best SPs in the game, however, he thinks he's the only one on the team that matters. And, he's very fragile. I guess it's from all the weight he has to carry around due to that big fat head of his. I highly doubt he would sign with the Yankees since that verbal sparring match he had with Steiney a while back. Who knows, maybe the Devil Rays will be good enough to afford him by then Lowe, I don't know too much about, so that's probably a good thing. So, I'd say keep him. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

08-19-2003, 10:40 AM	#5
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Heh, this is the way the thread should have started. You are probably right about Garciaparra, unless he's asking for Jeter money. He's better than Jeter, but Red Sox should not pay him like that. And it's still early, Nomar did get hurt from time to time. Pedro is even harder to figure out health-wise. Lots of people considered it bad for the Red Sox to pick up his option so early this year. He always got hurt. What I dream of these days are actually having the Yankees signing him 5 years 150 mils had him only pitch 5 starts a year for them. Unless someone find a way to fully ultilize Pedro without him getting hurt....... And you might not need to let Lowe walk after all. If Lowe keeps what he's being doing this year, he won't be expensive and would not be a bad bottom of rotation guy for the Sox. He and Varitek are just not good enough to decide their fate now. What has the Sox got in the minors to replace Varitek? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

08-19-2003, 11:43 AM	#8
H.P. Lovecraft Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arkham, MA Posts: 73	I'd like to see them keep all those guys, but you're right that Varitek might be getting old at that point.

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I really wish the Red Sox would quit fooling around and hire the best doctors to clone Ted Williams.

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spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,009	The Yankees are going to sign Nomar and make him their 3B. I don't believe I am the only one who sees this coming.

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fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	Do you thing they'll exercise that $4M option in Suppan's contract?

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Denton True Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 177	Nomaaahhh is not going anywhere. He is the MVP. Neither is Pedro. You guys who are fans of other teams who are getting your panties all twisted in hopes of landing one of them are just wasting your time. Nomar won't be playing for the Yankees so knock that **** off right now. __________________ Friends call me Cy

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spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,009	Nomar would look good in pinstripes. Don't worry Denton, the Sox can sign Mike Bordick.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	First off Denton shut the f* up ( I mean that in the nicest way possible )the last time you talked crap about our team they lost 3 of 4 to the O's and the first two to the A's, quit jinxing us more than we already are. As far as Nomar playing for the Yankees, please guys don't let Yank fans get you upset. Nomar isn't going to play for the Yankees and anyone who watches any baseball at all knows this. He wants to go back to California so if he doesn't re-up with the Carmines then he will be in Cali. Pedro isn't going anywhere, the Red Sox are probably the only team who will pay him what he wants. They only other team that can afford him are the Yanks and we all know what Pedro thinks of Georgie. Veritek is a solid player but he is getting to that age where catchers go to *. Kelly Shoppach is our only prospect at catcher so I'm sure we will find a free agent. Lowe is a tough call. If he regains form (although it's hard to say he's having a bad year) then he's tough to trade. With Epstein not trading away all our prospects we might be able to have some home grown players in a few years. Last edited by mh2365; 08-19-2003 at 02:55 PM.*

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draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	You're right Rich, I did forget Trotty! He'll be back without a doubt. One of the most underrated players in the game I think. Now if he could just learn to hit a breaking ball from a lefthander.... I said Tek is getting old because he is 31 and catchers typically enter the decline phase of their career earlier than other players because of the wear and tear of catching everyday.