What would you do?

CoachL · 08-07-2003, 01:22 PM

I have a 35 yr. old catcher who I have signed for this season and two more seasons for 6.9 mil. I checked the player development and it said that his talent in contact, home runs and avoiding walks all dropped. Using talents only. He is still listed as four stars. Is this his big drop? Should I get rid of him now instead of having to lug his contract for the next two plus years or before I can't get anything for him? I sure don't want to see the dreaded "all he does is eat $$$".

Gastric ReFlux · 08-07-2003, 01:28 PM

Trade him fast.

koohead · 08-07-2003, 01:31 PM

Are you in the playoff race? Yes=keep No=Trade

spleen1015 · 08-07-2003, 01:35 PM

If he has been a player in your organization for his whole career, then the noble thing to do would be to keep him and let him keep playing. Let him retire on his terms.

Gastric ReFlux · 08-07-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015
If he has been a player in your organization for his whole career, then the noble thing to do would be to keep him and let him keep playing. Let him retire on his terms.

Noble thing

spleen1015 · 08-07-2003, 01:39 PM

Yeah. That's MLB's problem, not enough noble owners.

Gastric ReFlux · 08-07-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015
Yeah. That's MLB's problem, not enough noble owners.

"What a piece of work is man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals! "

ctorg · 08-07-2003, 02:05 PM

Does he have good intangibles?

If so, you have to keep him.

If not...

See what you can get for him. If you think he'll be useless before the playoffs or you know you won't be in the playoffs, get rid of him for whatever you can get. If you are headed to the playoffs, try to get equal value for him if you can. If you can't, you may want to keep him through to the end and release him then. That will cut a hole in your cash but it will free up space for the future.

Pubbahuska · 08-07-2003, 02:18 PM

Noble owners? Maybe not, but there aren't many noble players willing to take a paycut when their skills are diminshed. Ever see a guy who was injured all year offer some money back? What a riot.

Gastric ReFlux · 08-07-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by ctorg
See what you can get for him. If you think he'll be useless before the playoffs or you know you won't be in the playoffs, get rid of him for whatever you can get. If you are headed to the playoffs, try to get equal value for him if you can. If you can't, you may want to keep him through to the end and release him then. That will cut a hole in your cash but it will free up space for the future.

In the words of the Bard:

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Neither a borrower nor a lender be; For loan oft loses both itself and friend, and borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry"

KurtBevacqua · 08-07-2003, 04:04 PM

This is the type of situation that the game could use a tweak or two. First off, if you have another catcher ready, dump this guy. His ratings are going to go and go soon. Next, the game could be more interesting with fan ratings for players. So if you have a 35 year old star who's been with the team several years he could have a high fan rating. When you trade him you notice a decline in fan attendence or fan interest. The game could also place more impact on team chemistry.

I traded Omar Vizquel before this season cause his hitting went down at 36 and I figured it was the beginning of the end. It made zero impact on team chemistry or fan interest. In real life the fans in Cleveland would be major POd and the team chemistry would have to suffer. It surely sufferred when Thome left.

suurimonster · 08-07-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by Pubbahuska
Noble owners? Maybe not, but there aren't many noble players willing to take a paycut when their skills are diminshed. Ever see a guy who was injured all year offer some money back? What a riot.

Redondo refused salary (about $2M a year I guess) at AC Milan for 15 months when injured, and many players around the world are taking 15-20 % voluntary pay cuts to help teams in the current poor financial climate. But that's football...

Eric · 08-07-2003, 07:42 PM

Then there's Karl Malone signing with the Lakers for a very low salary.

twins15 · 08-07-2003, 07:51 PM

I loved that show on Nickelodeon.

jaxmagicman · 08-07-2003, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by twins15
I loved that show on Nickelodeon.

These comments belong in Off-topic

twins15 · 08-07-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by jaxmagicman
These comments belong in Off-topic

Ok.

08-07-2003, 01:22 PM	#1
CoachL Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hilmar, CA Posts: 124	What would you do? I have a 35 yr. old catcher who I have signed for this season and two more seasons for 6.9 mil. I checked the player development and it said that his talent in contact, home runs and avoiding walks all dropped. Using talents only. He is still listed as four stars. Is this his big drop? Should I get rid of him now instead of having to lug his contract for the next two plus years or before I can't get anything for him? I sure don't want to see the dreaded "all he does is eat $$$".

08-07-2003, 01:31 PM	#3
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08-07-2003, 02:05 PM	#8
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Does he have good intangibles? If so, you have to keep him. If not... See what you can get for him. If you think he'll be useless before the playoffs or you know you won't be in the playoffs, get rid of him for whatever you can get. If you are headed to the playoffs, try to get equal value for him if you can. If you can't, you may want to keep him through to the end and release him then. That will cut a hole in your cash but it will free up space for the future. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

08-07-2003, 04:04 PM	#11
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	This is the type of situation that the game could use a tweak or two. First off, if you have another catcher ready, dump this guy. His ratings are going to go and go soon. Next, the game could be more interesting with fan ratings for players. So if you have a 35 year old star who's been with the team several years he could have a high fan rating. When you trade him you notice a decline in fan attendence or fan interest. The game could also place more impact on team chemistry. I traded Omar Vizquel before this season cause his hitting went down at 36 and I figured it was the beginning of the end. It made zero impact on team chemistry or fan interest. In real life the fans in Cleveland would be major POd and the team chemistry would have to suffer. It surely sufferred when Thome left. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

08-07-2003, 07:51 PM	#14
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	I loved that show on Nickelodeon. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

08-07-2003, 01:28 PM	#2
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Trade him fast.

08-07-2003, 01:35 PM	#4
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,009	If he has been a player in your organization for his whole career, then the noble thing to do would be to keep him and let him keep playing. Let him retire on his terms.

08-07-2003, 01:39 PM	#6
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,009	Yeah. That's MLB's problem, not enough noble owners.

08-07-2003, 02:18 PM	#9
Pubbahuska Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Prince Frederick, MD Posts: 43	Noble owners? Maybe not, but there aren't many noble players willing to take a paycut when their skills are diminshed. Ever see a guy who was injured all year offer some money back? What a riot.

08-07-2003, 07:42 PM	#13
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	Then there's Karl Malone signing with the Lakers for a very low salary.