Why do player ratings sometimes change when you do something like click on Role?

MNBob · 07-28-2003, 01:23 PM

For instance, in a league I'm in I just drafted a player who has C duration as both a starter and reliever.

My scout sees him as a 5 star prospect.

But as soon as I click on his role, he becomes a 3.5 star MR and a 4 star SP. Worse the numbers change.

Before clicking role...
5 star SP
avoid hits good 3
avoid doubles brilliant 6
avoid homers good 4
avoid walks good 6
gettign ks brilliant 6

After clicking role...
4 star SP
avoid hits average 2
avoid doubles good 5
avoid homers good 4
avoid walks good 6
gettings k's good 5

This happens with other players as well but not all of the time. Yet it occurs enough that I'm sure it is some kind of bug. Numbers shouldn't change (for the same position or role) simply because you click on something on the interface.

satchel · 07-28-2003, 01:26 PM

I’ve noticed this too.

tcblcommish · 07-28-2003, 01:31 PM

I have no idea, maybe it has soemthing to do with scouts? Maybe a certain scouts is better at determining SP in stead of CL or the opposite?

I have no idea

Hotwheelz · 07-28-2003, 01:35 PM

I noticed the same thing, and was going to post about it, but you beat me to it. I know a few other people have had the same problem. So, either its supposed to be like this, or we have stumbled upon a bug

couriers · 07-28-2003, 02:11 PM

If you exit the player record and then go back it should revert back to the initial numbers.

Bluenoser · 07-28-2003, 02:18 PM

Numbers should change when you change a players role.

The stars are a comparison to what the player is compared to the average. Like this, 3 stars is avg, 4 is above and so on. The player is compared with his talents against the avg of other players at the same position.

A 4 SP starter could easily be a 5 star MR or CL simply because he is even more above avg for his talents in that role than in the SP role.

Hotwheelz · 07-28-2003, 02:22 PM

I understand that the star ratings change, but the ratings for hits, HR's, walks, etc. shouldnt change. Thats what we are getting at

But if courier is right and the ratings go back to what they were when you exit, then the whole matter is mute

WLight · 07-28-2003, 02:30 PM

It's been doing it for me since OOTP4. The star change is obvious to explain, the ratings change is less so. I figure that for whatever reason I'm getting different scouting reports in each situation -- I usually take the lower one to be more accurate. If you care to find out you can use the editor to see which ratings set is true.

ETA: (because I didn't preview, ppl posted before me) Yeah, of course the ratings change back. It's a question of changing what's visible, not what's true.

matskralc · 07-28-2003, 02:36 PM

If I recall correctly, when you change a role or something and the ratings "change", you actually end up seeing his true ratings. I don't know *why* it does this, but it does it.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-28-2003, 02:39 PM

The computer is coded to play with your head.

couriers · 07-28-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by matskralc
If I recall correctly, when you change a role or something and the ratings "change", you actually end up seeing his true ratings. I don't know *why* it does this, but it does it.

This is exactly what is happening. When you make a change like that for some reason the players true ratings are displayed. Ratings are not being changed in any manner. This will also happen if you turn the editor on while in the player record. If you exit the record and come back the ratings that will be displayed are the original unaltered ratings as seen through the scout and the true ratings will once again be hidden and unchanged.

It may be that the game resorts to the true ratings because you are attempting to change an aspect of the player and it might be assumed that you would prefer to know exactly the type of player that you are dealing with when making alterations. It has been reported that the true ratings are not the absolute bottom line ratings that we can never know but something along the lines of being more exact to an average scout as opposed to your particular scouts ability.

JoeRockEHF · 07-28-2003, 02:44 PM

Whenever I edit a player's name like Mcdonald to McDonald the same thing happens also. If you exit and return to his player card though the numbers have returned to what they were before the change took place, just like couriers said.

MNBob · 07-28-2003, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BruceM
Numbers should change when you change a players role.

The stars are a comparison to what the player is compared to the average. Like this, 3 stars is avg, 4 is above and so on. The player is compared with his talents against the avg of other players at the same position.

A 4 SP starter could easily be a 5 star MR or CL simply because he is even more above avg for his talents in that role than in the SP role.

I'm not talking about a change from one role to another. I'm talking about comparing the numbers for the exact same position or role.

In the example I list above, when I initially view the player he is a 5 star SP prospect. If I click though the roles and then bring the role back to SP, his numbers and talents are different and the player is a 4 star SP prospect instead of 5 star SP prospect.

MNBob · 07-30-2003, 12:03 PM

Just bumping this to get an "official" reply. I'd move it to the bug forum if someone would confirm that it is a bug.

Matchstick · 07-30-2003, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by matskralc
If I recall correctly, when you change a role or something and the ratings "change", you actually end up seeing his true ratings. I don't know *why* it does this, but it does it.

That would be bad. Heck, even if they are changing to be a different "average" scout that's not good.

couriers · 07-30-2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matchstick
That would be bad. Heck, even if they are changing to be a different "average" scout that's not good.

They don't actually change for good but rather just for the brief period of time that you are viewing the player record in any edited fashion. It is a visual change at most and does not actually affect the ratings in any way.

Everything that I had already stated on this subject was worked out some time ago between myself and several others including Steve. A search of the board will reveal any "official" explanation that has already been supplied.

jened · 07-30-2003, 02:40 PM

A search of the board will reveal any "official" explanation that has already been supplied.

well is it a bug or not?

couriers · 07-30-2003, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jened
A search of the board will reveal any "official" explanation that has already been supplied.

well is it a bug or not?

Well considering that you have chosen to ask instead of search, no it does not appear to be listed as a bug but rather a possible feature. As I have already stated, this could have been by design so that when someone edits a player they know the "real" ratings of that player so that they can make more knowledgeable adjustments accordingly.

If you want a direct response from Markus then I would suggest emailing him the question. If that is the case please let us know what he has to say on the subject.

DevilsAdvocate · 08-20-2003, 01:12 PM

Same thing is happening for me here. BUT, my ratings are not reverrting back to the old. For example a pitcher in a upcoming draft was 3-8-7-4 usinf reduced ratings set. Hitting the editor button made him a 8-8-7-4. This is happening with almost every player I am doing this too.

I have seen a few cases where the change was very small or nonexistent.

07-28-2003, 01:23 PM	#1
MNBob Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 45	Why do player ratings sometimes change when you do something like click on Role? For instance, in a league I'm in I just drafted a player who has C duration as both a starter and reliever. My scout sees him as a 5 star prospect. But as soon as I click on his role, he becomes a 3.5 star MR and a 4 star SP. Worse the numbers change. Before clicking role... 5 star SP avoid hits good 3 avoid doubles brilliant 6 avoid homers good 4 avoid walks good 6 gettign ks brilliant 6 After clicking role... 4 star SP avoid hits average 2 avoid doubles good 5 avoid homers good 4 avoid walks good 6 gettings k's good 5 This happens with other players as well but not all of the time. Yet it occurs enough that I'm sure it is some kind of bug. Numbers shouldn't change (for the same position or role) simply because you click on something on the interface.

07-28-2003, 01:26 PM	#2
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	I’ve noticed this too. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

07-28-2003, 02:30 PM	#8
WLight Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: CA Posts: 314	It's been doing it for me since OOTP4. The star change is obvious to explain, the ratings change is less so. I figure that for whatever reason I'm getting different scouting reports in each situation -- I usually take the lower one to be more accurate. If you care to find out you can use the editor to see which ratings set is true. ETA: (because I didn't preview, ppl posted before me) Yeah, of course the ratings change back. It's a question of changing what's visible, not what's true. Last edited by WLight; 07-28-2003 at 02:33 PM.

07-28-2003, 02:36 PM	#9
matskralc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,076	If I recall correctly, when you change a role or something and the ratings "change", you actually end up seeing his true ratings. I don't know why it does this, but it does it. __________________ Well, they have a saying here in Texas ... but they probably don't have it in California, so never mind. OTBL - Pennsylvania Fightin' Amish ABC - Pittsburgh Puma OCHO - Pittsburgh Pirates EBU - Commissioner

07-28-2003, 02:44 PM	#12
JoeRockEHF All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Niles, MI Posts: 933	Whenever I edit a player's name like Mcdonald to McDonald the same thing happens also. If you exit and return to his player card though the numbers have returned to what they were before the change took place, just like couriers said. __________________ PSN: JoeRockEHF

07-28-2003, 01:31 PM	#3
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,439	I have no idea, maybe it has soemthing to do with scouts? Maybe a certain scouts is better at determining SP in stead of CL or the opposite? I have no idea

07-28-2003, 01:35 PM	#4
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	I noticed the same thing, and was going to post about it, but you beat me to it. I know a few other people have had the same problem. So, either its supposed to be like this, or we have stumbled upon a bug

07-28-2003, 02:11 PM	#5
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	If you exit the player record and then go back it should revert back to the initial numbers.

07-28-2003, 02:18 PM	#6
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,214	Numbers should change when you change a players role. The stars are a comparison to what the player is compared to the average. Like this, 3 stars is avg, 4 is above and so on. The player is compared with his talents against the avg of other players at the same position. A 4 SP starter could easily be a 5 star MR or CL simply because he is even more above avg for his talents in that role than in the SP role.

07-28-2003, 02:22 PM	#7
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	I understand that the star ratings change, but the ratings for hits, HR's, walks, etc. shouldnt change. Thats what we are getting at But if courier is right and the ratings go back to what they were when you exit, then the whole matter is mute

07-28-2003, 02:39 PM	#10
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	The computer is coded to play with your head.

07-30-2003, 12:03 PM	#14
MNBob Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 45	Just bumping this to get an "official" reply. I'd move it to the bug forum if someone would confirm that it is a bug.

07-30-2003, 02:40 PM	#17
jened Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: upstate NY (saratoga county) Posts: 255	A search of the board will reveal any "official" explanation that has already been supplied. well is it a bug or not? __________________ cooper_gd's OTWE Results OTWE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION: KING JENED III

08-20-2003, 01:12 PM	#19
DevilsAdvocate Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Belize Posts: 14	Same thing is happening for me here. BUT, my ratings are not reverrting back to the old. For example a pitcher in a upcoming draft was 3-8-7-4 usinf reduced ratings set. Hitting the editor button made him a 8-8-7-4. This is happening with almost every player I am doing this too. I have seen a few cases where the change was very small or nonexistent. __________________ ________________________ Le veré en infierno