Something I've long wondered

ctorg · 07-15-2003, 03:35 PM

When you're using scouts/coaches, do AI teams also use them? I mean, do they only know what the scouts tell them, do they think a guy has a 7 in HRs when he's a 5? Or do they know the real numbers behind it all?

Gastric ReFlux · 07-15-2003, 03:38 PM

The AI sees the scout ratings, they don't see the true ratings.

ctorg · 07-15-2003, 03:42 PM

How do you know? I'm just wondering because I was looking at how the AI put its lineup together in my current league. It didn't make much sense according to the scout's ratings, but the scout was really bad and the true ratings made the lineups make more sense.

Henry · 07-15-2003, 03:44 PM

The AI teams also see everything through the eyes of the scouts they have hired... this does bring up an interesting question, however....

Would this be another way to make the AI "harder" - by having a switch that forced you to use average scouts and the AI to get better ones ?

interesting....

Henry

Draft Dodger · 07-15-2003, 03:44 PM

personally, I think the computer doesn't use scouts.

jaxmagicman · 07-15-2003, 04:26 PM

I think all computers cheat. How come I have the only team in the league that loses its starting Cleanup hitter and starting pitcher 2 weeks before the playoffs to injuries that last 3 weeks. I think the computer just wants to show you who is boss.

Other games I have seen this happen in, All Madden games (if you turnover the ball, 95% of the time the computer is going to score), NCAA Football 2003 (sometimes you just have to just let the computer scorem because no matter what they are going to.) I think I am the only one that feels this way.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-15-2003, 04:32 PM

There we go, now we got a post that will start making things interesting in here.

Henry · 07-15-2003, 04:40 PM

LOL GR - let me start

Quote:

Originally posted by jaxmagicman
I think all computers cheat. How come I have the only team in the league that loses its starting Cleanup hitter and starting pitcher 2 weeks before the playoffs to injuries that last 3 weeks. I think the computer just wants to show you who is boss.

Other games I have seen this happen in, All Madden games (if you turnover the ball, 95% of the time the computer is going to score), NCAA Football 2003 (sometimes you just have to just let the computer scorem because no matter what they are going to.) I think I am the only one that feels this way.

Ain't there, doesn't happen, isn't the way it's programmed !!

Henry

jaxmagicman · 07-15-2003, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
LOL GR - let me start

Ain't there, doesn't happen, isn't the way it's programmed !!

Henry

Haven't you ever seen Terminator?

Henry · 07-15-2003, 04:46 PM

There is such a thing, however, as a "reverse proxy law of averages" which states that "If anything can go wrong, it will".

spleen1015 · 07-15-2003, 04:46 PM

To me, the AI lineup building logic is flawed big time.

I believe the AI uses scouts.

Henry · 07-15-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spleen1015
To me, the AI lineup building logic is flawed big time.

I believe the AI uses scouts.

Well, I agree it could be better based on what I would do - but if Bill James is anywhere near right, it really doesn't matter LOL

sporr · 07-15-2003, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
Well, I agree it could be better based on what I would do - but if Bill James is anywhere near right, it really doesn't matter LOL

Yeah, in the grand scheme of a full season it probably doesn't, but when a team loses by a run when their weak hitter is in the "wrong" lineup spot it sure seems like it matters.

Granitestwarriro · 07-15-2003, 06:12 PM

You guys just dont GET IT do you? Not only does the computer cheat but also at night, little AI Delta Force Agents hop out of your PC and do all sorts of troubling experiments on you and your entire family. THEN they implant a micro chip in you which causes you to become addicted to OOTP.

The cruel joke is that they ONLY implant the chip in you....while the other members of your family are left to wonder what has happened to Daddy.

How else do you explain the fact that I was up past midnight trying to put together a trade for a fifth starter for the stretch run?

I made the deal. Just under the deadline. Life is good.

spleen1015 · 07-15-2003, 06:38 PM

DId you guys know that the outcome of played games is different depending on if you use the mouse or the keyboard?

Crapshoot · 07-15-2003, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spleen1015
DId you guys know that the outcome of played games is different depending on if you use the mouse or the keyboard?

shushh... you aren't supposed to reveal the super secret to anyone who hasn't been here for at least 2 years... Next you'll explain the fact that your team is always coded to lose Game 7 in a world series...

Gastric ReFlux · 07-15-2003, 09:06 PM

You forgot to tell them if you're up against a righthanded pitcher, use your lefthand on the keyboard. The game recognizes the platoon advantage.

Heem Dream · 07-15-2003, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
You forgot to tell them if you're up against a righthanded pitcher, use your lefthand on the keyboard. The game recognizes the platoon advantage.

Now that was nice

Nukester · 07-15-2003, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
You forgot to tell them if you're up against a righthanded pitcher, use your lefthand on the keyboard. The game recognizes the platoon advantage.

Haha....I have to give props for that.....That was good

Nice tip.....Thanks

jaxmagicman · 07-16-2003, 08:54 AM

You guys don't want to know what I do to gain an advatage over the computer.

07-15-2003, 03:35 PM	#1
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Something I've long wondered When you're using scouts/coaches, do AI teams also use them? I mean, do they only know what the scouts tell them, do they think a guy has a 7 in HRs when he's a 5? Or do they know the real numbers behind it all? __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

07-15-2003, 03:42 PM	#3
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	How do you know? I'm just wondering because I was looking at how the AI put its lineup together in my current league. It didn't make much sense according to the scout's ratings, but the scout was really bad and the true ratings made the lineups make more sense. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

07-15-2003, 03:44 PM	#5
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	personally, I think the computer doesn't use scouts. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

07-15-2003, 04:26 PM	#6
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	I think all computers cheat. How come I have the only team in the league that loses its starting Cleanup hitter and starting pitcher 2 weeks before the playoffs to injuries that last 3 weeks. I think the computer just wants to show you who is boss. Other games I have seen this happen in, All Madden games (if you turnover the ball, 95% of the time the computer is going to score), NCAA Football 2003 (sometimes you just have to just let the computer scorem because no matter what they are going to.) I think I am the only one that feels this way. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

07-16-2003, 08:54 AM	#20
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	You guys don't want to know what I do to gain an advatage over the computer. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

07-15-2003, 03:38 PM	#2
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	The AI sees the scout ratings, they don't see the true ratings.

07-15-2003, 03:44 PM	#4
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	The AI teams also see everything through the eyes of the scouts they have hired... this does bring up an interesting question, however.... Would this be another way to make the AI "harder" - by having a switch that forced you to use average scouts and the AI to get better ones ? interesting.... Henry

07-15-2003, 04:32 PM	#7
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	There we go, now we got a post that will start making things interesting in here.

07-15-2003, 04:46 PM	#10
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	There is such a thing, however, as a "reverse proxy law of averages" which states that "If anything can go wrong, it will".

07-15-2003, 04:46 PM	#11
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,005	To me, the AI lineup building logic is flawed big time. I believe the AI uses scouts.

07-15-2003, 06:12 PM	#14
Granitestwarriro Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 52	You guys just dont GET IT do you? Not only does the computer cheat but also at night, little AI Delta Force Agents hop out of your PC and do all sorts of troubling experiments on you and your entire family. THEN they implant a micro chip in you which causes you to become addicted to OOTP. The cruel joke is that they ONLY implant the chip in you....while the other members of your family are left to wonder what has happened to Daddy. How else do you explain the fact that I was up past midnight trying to put together a trade for a fifth starter for the stretch run? I made the deal. Just under the deadline. Life is good.

07-15-2003, 06:38 PM	#15
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,005	DId you guys know that the outcome of played games is different depending on if you use the mouse or the keyboard?

07-15-2003, 09:06 PM	#17
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	You forgot to tell them if you're up against a righthanded pitcher, use your lefthand on the keyboard. The game recognizes the platoon advantage.