20 MILLION for 2 years. Is it worth it????

Iffy_Boatrace · 07-14-2003, 09:01 PM

Leo Kang is a 32 year old starting pitcher, he's making 12,790,000 in his final year. He's 15-3, 2.37 this year on July 24th, 2057. He is amazing in just about every attribute. His career stats are 222-75 and 2.29 over 11 seasons. A sure fire Hall of Famer. BUT, he's the 2nd pitcher in my rotation (32 year old Lenard "The King" Souza is due for an extension next season)

I offered 10 Mil over 2 years... Rejected. I offered 14 Mil over 2 years... Rejected. I offered 17 Mil over 2 years... "I will play elsewhere next year." I tried one more time and got him to accept 20 Mil over 2 years... Should I accept?

I've got 5 Free Agents over 33 years old (at skill positions - decent players, big money though) and will not re-sign all of them (I'll probably trade 3 of them and go with backups, Triple A'ers or whomever I can get in a trade). I've got 47 Million to spend on extensions. Also, I've got the best record in the league right now at 76-24 - ten games up.

My question is, should I re-sign this guy now or wait until the offseason? I hate re-signing old pitchers (yes, I consider 32 "old") to long contracts - that's why I offered 2 years 'cause I've seen too many players over 35 fall of the boat after nearly 60 seasons playing with this team.

I'm afraid he'll command 4 or more years on the FA market at something like 15 Mil or so and I don't want to make that kind of commitment.

Advice?

Thanks.

Falcon52 · 07-14-2003, 09:20 PM

It depends what kind of team you have. If you've got a powerhouse and want to win it all within the next two years, and have the cash to spare AND have addressed any other glaring weaknesses, then I say he's worth it to put you over the top.

But if you're a middle of the pack team, and just want him to get you into the playoffs, but you still have weaknesses that can't be addressed, then I wouldn't.

I have only ever ONCE paid that much for a player, and it ended up burning me because the following year, he had a month long injury and his ratings dropped afterwards, so I was stuck with a $20+ million middle of the pack starter.

Kelric · 07-14-2003, 09:37 PM

I rarely sign guys for over $10 mill a year, but I grabbed Josh Beckett at $20 mill for 8 years once. I never regretted it as he pitched me into the post season 7 times over the next 8 years.

In your case, it does depend on the team you have as Falcon said. If you want to win it all and can afford the money, go ahead and spend it.

Iffy_Boatrace · 07-14-2003, 09:39 PM

I think I will, thanks guys. 32 isn't THAT old.

AsTrOFaN · 07-14-2003, 10:48 PM

You could probably get him for less on the free agent market, but there is always a chance of him shunning you. I'd keep him, a 34 year old can still be productive.

Raidergoo · 07-15-2003, 10:20 AM

Save your dimes. Never trust anyone over 30.

Granitestwarriro · 07-15-2003, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Raidergoo
Save your dimes. Never trust anyone over 30.

HEY! I resemble that remark :-)

Raidergoo · 07-15-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Granitestwarriro
HEY! I resemble that remark :-)

I wouldn't sign myself either.

KurtBevacqua · 07-15-2003, 02:21 PM

I would see what he'd take for a 3-year contract. Not very likely to see a huge decline from 34 to 35. And if you are nervous about it at that time, and he's still doing pretty well, maybe you could get someone to take him off your hands. There's one born every minute.

07-14-2003, 09:01 PM	#1
Iffy_Boatrace Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 43	20 MILLION for 2 years. Is it worth it???? Leo Kang is a 32 year old starting pitcher, he's making 12,790,000 in his final year. He's 15-3, 2.37 this year on July 24th, 2057. He is amazing in just about every attribute. His career stats are 222-75 and 2.29 over 11 seasons. A sure fire Hall of Famer. BUT, he's the 2nd pitcher in my rotation (32 year old Lenard "The King" Souza is due for an extension next season) I offered 10 Mil over 2 years... Rejected. I offered 14 Mil over 2 years... Rejected. I offered 17 Mil over 2 years... "I will play elsewhere next year." I tried one more time and got him to accept 20 Mil over 2 years... Should I accept? I've got 5 Free Agents over 33 years old (at skill positions - decent players, big money though) and will not re-sign all of them (I'll probably trade 3 of them and go with backups, Triple A'ers or whomever I can get in a trade). I've got 47 Million to spend on extensions. Also, I've got the best record in the league right now at 76-24 - ten games up. My question is, should I re-sign this guy now or wait until the offseason? I hate re-signing old pitchers (yes, I consider 32 "old") to long contracts - that's why I offered 2 years 'cause I've seen too many players over 35 fall of the boat after nearly 60 seasons playing with this team. I'm afraid he'll command 4 or more years on the FA market at something like 15 Mil or so and I don't want to make that kind of commitment. Advice? Thanks.

07-14-2003, 09:20 PM	#2
Falcon52 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 615	It depends what kind of team you have. If you've got a powerhouse and want to win it all within the next two years, and have the cash to spare AND have addressed any other glaring weaknesses, then I say he's worth it to put you over the top. But if you're a middle of the pack team, and just want him to get you into the playoffs, but you still have weaknesses that can't be addressed, then I wouldn't. I have only ever ONCE paid that much for a player, and it ended up burning me because the following year, he had a month long injury and his ratings dropped afterwards, so I was stuck with a $20+ million middle of the pack starter. __________________ "D-FENCE! D-FENCE!"

07-15-2003, 02:21 PM	#9
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I would see what he'd take for a 3-year contract. Not very likely to see a huge decline from 34 to 35. And if you are nervous about it at that time, and he's still doing pretty well, maybe you could get someone to take him off your hands. There's one born every minute. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

07-14-2003, 09:37 PM	#3
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	I rarely sign guys for over $10 mill a year, but I grabbed Josh Beckett at $20 mill for 8 years once. I never regretted it as he pitched me into the post season 7 times over the next 8 years. In your case, it does depend on the team you have as Falcon said. If you want to win it all and can afford the money, go ahead and spend it.

07-14-2003, 09:39 PM	#4
Iffy_Boatrace Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 43	I think I will, thanks guys. 32 isn't THAT old.

07-14-2003, 10:48 PM	#5
AsTrOFaN Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 334	You could probably get him for less on the free agent market, but there is always a chance of him shunning you. I'd keep him, a 34 year old can still be productive.

07-15-2003, 10:20 AM	#6
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Save your dimes. Never trust anyone over 30.