Who Gets the Loss?

General_Eagle · 06-25-2003, 03:52 AM

So maybe I have forgotten my baseball rules, but let's review this situation. It is the bottom of the 10th, the score is tied, and Pitcher A allows a man to reach first. Pitcher B replaces Pitcher A and proceeds to allow a walk-off homerun, ending the game. Now, it seems to me that Pitcher A should have one run accredited to him as earned, but Pitcher B should have the loss in addition to one earned run (for the man who hit the homer). Once again, the game has given the loss to Pitcher A, much to my chagrin. Now maybe I am all wrong about this, and if so, please set my mind at ease. Otherwise, it is slightly irritating to see the wrong pitcher take the loss...Thanks....

dbacks · 06-25-2003, 01:12 PM

Seems to me that Pitcher B should get the loss, and like you said, one earned run to him. Because even if Pitcher A did NOT allow the runner to reach first, Pitcher B still would have given up the homer, and they still would have lost the game. So it's not Pitcher A's fault they lost the game. It's just his fault two runs scored on the homer instead of one.

SC_Dawg · 06-25-2003, 02:08 PM

Pitcher A gets the loss. The loss is given to the pitcher who is charged with giving up the run that puts the team that loses the game permanently behind in the game.

In your scenario you are correct in the assumption that Pitcher A and Pitcher B will each get a run charged against them however since Pitcher A put the man on base who scored the run that put the losing team permanently behind Pitcher A is credited with the loss.

Now if Pitcher B gotten the first batter he faced to ground into a force out then given up the walk off HR he would charged with both runs and the loss.

sporr · 06-25-2003, 02:16 PM

SC_Dawg is absolutely right.

General_Eagle · 06-25-2003, 03:59 PM

Thanks for the help....I guess I just had never noticed a scenario like this in real life until I played the game.....

dbacks · 06-25-2003, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
SC_Dawg is absolutely right.

That just goes to show you how much I know about baseball.

06-25-2003, 03:52 AM	#1
General_Eagle Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 19	Who Gets the Loss? So maybe I have forgotten my baseball rules, but let's review this situation. It is the bottom of the 10th, the score is tied, and Pitcher A allows a man to reach first. Pitcher B replaces Pitcher A and proceeds to allow a walk-off homerun, ending the game. Now, it seems to me that Pitcher A should have one run accredited to him as earned, but Pitcher B should have the loss in addition to one earned run (for the man who hit the homer). Once again, the game has given the loss to Pitcher A, much to my chagrin. Now maybe I am all wrong about this, and if so, please set my mind at ease. Otherwise, it is slightly irritating to see the wrong pitcher take the loss...Thanks.... __________________ "You are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American." -General George S. Patton

06-25-2003, 03:59 PM	#5
General_Eagle Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 19	Thanks for the help....I guess I just had never noticed a scenario like this in real life until I played the game..... __________________ "You are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American." -General George S. Patton

06-25-2003, 01:12 PM	#2
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	Seems to me that Pitcher B should get the loss, and like you said, one earned run to him. Because even if Pitcher A did NOT allow the runner to reach first, Pitcher B still would have given up the homer, and they still would have lost the game. So it's not Pitcher A's fault they lost the game. It's just his fault two runs scored on the homer instead of one.

06-25-2003, 02:08 PM	#3
SC_Dawg All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Columbia, South Carolina Posts: 664	Pitcher A gets the loss. The loss is given to the pitcher who is charged with giving up the run that puts the team that loses the game permanently behind in the game. In your scenario you are correct in the assumption that Pitcher A and Pitcher B will each get a run charged against them however since Pitcher A put the man on base who scored the run that put the losing team permanently behind Pitcher A is credited with the loss. Now if Pitcher B gotten the first batter he faced to ground into a force out then given up the walk off HR he would charged with both runs and the loss.

06-25-2003, 02:16 PM	#4
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	SC_Dawg is absolutely right.