HOB 1984 Hall of Fame Ballot

Tiger Fan · 01-13-2002, 02:53 AM

ORIOLES HURLERS TOP NAMES IN ANOTHER WEAK HOF CLASS
Baltimore pitchers Milt Pappas and Steve Barber are the two big names in a very weak list of first time eligible players for the HOB Hall of Fame. Former Detroit and Texas slugger George Thomas is likely the only other candidate who will draw much interest from the voters but it is quite possible no one will be elected into the Hall this time around.
The veterans committee has successfully lobied to have Gaby Hartnett added to the ballot. His numbers compare quite favourably to catchers from his era that are in the Hall. Another catcher, ex-Brave Joe Torre may also get some interest from the voters.

Here are all the first time eligible candidates. Their bios and stats are listed below:

George Thomas Outfielder
Milt Pappas Pitcher
Steve Barber Pitcher
Mickey Lolich Pitcher
Joe Torre Catcher
Rico Petrocelli shortstop
Jim Longborg Pitcher
Bill Sorrell Third base

Veterans Committe
Gabby Hartnett Catcher

Here are the repeat candidates along with the percentage of the vote they received last year. Their info can be found here :
http://www.ootpbb.com/board/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000057



Don Cardwell       31%

Billy Williams     27%

Jerry Adair        19%

Joe Garagiola      15%

Brooks Robinson    12%

Johnny Callison     8%

Gaylord Perry       8%

Juan Pizarro        8%

Jackie Brandt       8%

Jim Brewer          8%

The following received 0 votes last year and will be removed from future 

ballots if they do not get at least one vote.

Tommy Harper        0

Jim Ray Hart        0

Barry Shetrone      0

Art Mahaffey        0

Felipe Alou         0

Lou Brock           0

Thanks in advance for your votes.

Here is a look at each of the first time eligible candidates:

George Thomas
5 time allstar never won a major award or batting title but did play consistantly for 16 years. Traded by Detroit to Texas in 1973 for Toby Harrah and Vic Harris. He never played in a postseason game.





  CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR   AVG HR RBI   G  AB   H 2B 3B   R SB CS  BB   K  OBP  SLG   TEAMS

  1957  .259  5  15  52 116  30  3  2  16  0  1   8  24 .306 .448   DET

  1958  .222  1   1  13   9   2  0  0   2  0  0   0   2 .222 .556   DET

  1959  .231  0   0   6  13   3  0  0   1  0  0   1   3 .286 .231   DET

  1960  .191  0   2  27  68  13  2  0   3  0  2   5  11 .247 .221   DET

  1961  .247  3  18  89 215  53  5  0  26  1  1  18  45 .305 .312   DET

  1962  .277 13  44 126 361 100 19  0  49  3  3  26  88 .326 .438   DET

  1963  .339 17  64 149 484 164 26  2  73  4  7  46 116 .396 .506   DET

  1964  .328 32  92 151 582 191 31  2  86  6  9  46 137 .377 .553   DET,A

  1965  .284 28  88 157 591 168 25  2  77  7  6  44 123 .334 .475   DET,A

  1966  .279 23  84 148 574 160 43  2  90  7  2  49 123 .335 .481   DET

  1967  .278 25  86 158 627 174 42  1  92  3  2  55 155 .336 .467   DET,A

  1968  .283 33  93 158 605 171 32  2  93  2  4  43 141 .330 .506   DET,A

  1969  .272 30  77 157 640 174 30  0  86  6  3  32 137 .307 .459   DET

  1970  .267 25  95 156 637 170 37  2  75  2  3  32 156 .302 .449   DET

  1971  .282 35 104 161 646 182 40  0 108  3  5  28 157 .312 .506   DET,A

  1972  .281 26  94 161 643 181 40  0  79  2  6  22 140 .305 .465   DET

  1973  .247 23  96 153 587 145 32  1  73  8  7  30 100 .284 .422   DET,TEX

  1974  .246 19  80 160 631 155 31  1  70  5  7  34 111 .284 .388   TEX

  1975  .274 30  95 155 617 169 31  0  88  5  4  34  90 .312 .470   TEX

  1976  .275 32 100 149 589 162 30  1  83  1  2  23  97 .302 .492   TEX

  1977  .275 20  94 146 582 160 22  1  66  4  2  20  88 .299 .419   TEX

  1978  .314  3  19  35 137  43  5  0  18  2  0   1  16 .319 .416   TEX

 

  Total AB  : 9954

  Total AVG : .278

  Total Hits: 2770

  Total HR  : 423

  Total RBI : 1441

  Total Runs: 1354

  Total SB  : 71

Milt Pappas
Led the American League in wins with 20 in 1969 but likely finished second to teammate Jack Fisher in Welch Award voting. Played in 7 World Series with Baltimore, winning 4 rings. Pitched a 4 hit shutout over LA in 1960 series. In 1969 he pitched 8 1/3 innings to help Baltimore beat Boston 7-3 in a playoff game to decide the AL East Division title. He was 2-2 in World Series play in his career.





  CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR    ERA  W  L  S   G CG SHO    IP  ER  BB   K  TEAMS

  1957   3.91 11 11  0  30 10   0 244.0 106  66 123  BAL

  1958   3.69 11  8  0  26  8   1 204.2  84  55 106  BAL

  1959   3.05 15  3  0  24 11   1 194.2  66  44 116  BAL,A

  1960   4.75  9 10  0  22 10   2 170.2  90  42  74  BAL

  1961   2.74 12  3  0  23 10   2 124.2  38  29  52  BAL,A

  1962   3.67 14  8  0  27  4   3 206.0  84  56 123  BAL

  1963   3.40  7  4  0  23  3   1  92.2  35  15  54  BAL

  1964   4.74 13 11  0  32  3   2 222.1 117  64 130  BAL

  1965   3.80 10 11  0  30  6   0 225.0  95  50 118  BAL

  1966   3.39 16  7  0  30  3   2 231.0  87  70 118  BAL,A

  1967   3.75 13 14  0  30  6   0 211.1  88  48 114  BAL

  1968   4.15  8 10  0  25  2   0 121.1  56  31  45  BAL

  1969   3.22 20  6  0  31  1   1 226.2  81  68  95  BAL,A

  1970   4.17 13  8  0  27  3   1 177.0  82  65  84  BAL

  1971   4.84 12 14  0  32  3   0 228.2 123  82 106  BAL

  1972   5.19  8 12  0  23  6   1 171.2  99  60  70  BAL

  1973   3.27 13 14  0  32 14   1 209.1  76  75  99  BAL

  1974   4.38  9  8  0  28  4   0 201.1  98  90  82  BAL

  1975   4.92 11 17  0  30  8   2 223.1 122  89  88  BAL

  1976   5.13 13  9  0  31  4   0 217.1 124  66  94  BAL

  1977   4.10 10  5  0  35  6   0 169.0  77  61  89  BAL

  1978   6.03  2  7  2  28  2   0 100.0  67  43  38  BAL

  1979   0.00  0  0  0   1  0   0   1.2   0   1   0  BAL

 

  Total ERA   : 4.09

  Total Wins  : 250

  Total Losses: 200

  Total Saves : 2

  Total SHO   : 20

  Total CG    : 127

  Total K's   : 2018

  Total BB's  : 1270

Steve Barber
Won the 1975 Welch Award as the American League's top pitcher. Like Pappas, Barber played on 7 Pennant winning and 4 World Champion Orioles teams. His career postseason record was 5-9. He started the 1975 allstar game.





 CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR    ERA  W  L  S   G CG SHO    IP  ER  BB   K  TEAMS

  1960   5.32  5  4  0  16  4   0  93.0  55  44  68  BAL

  1961   3.68 15 10  0  31  6   1 242.1  99 109 146  BAL

  1962   3.77 16  3  0  28  2   1 196.0  82  60 167  BAL

  1963   3.13 16  9  0  33  2   2 224.0  78  74 229  BAL

  1964   3.12 17 13  0  33  5   1 236.2  82  61 254  BAL

  1965   3.41 13 12  0  33  5   4 237.1  90  82 237  BAL

  1966   3.13 16 12  0  32  3   2 236.0  82  70 231  BAL

  1967   4.15 15 13  0  32  1   0 212.1  98  74 234  BAL

  1968   3.29 11 12  0  31  2   2 219.0  80  83 204  BAL

  1969   4.29 10  8  0  32  1   1 212.0 101  87 207  BAL

  1970   3.31 17 11  0  33  3   2 225.2  83  78 243  BAL

  1971   4.14 12 12  0  33  0   0 223.2 103  79 231  BAL

  1972   4.07 11  9  0  29  1   0 197.0  89  77 183  BAL

  1973   2.97 19  6  0  31  1   0 224.0  74  64 183  BAL,A

  1974   3.43 16  7  0  32  4   3 215.0  82  58 178  BAL,A

  1975   2.60 17  8  0  33  6   4 232.1  67  82 154  BAL,A

  1976   5.01  7 12  0  28  0   0 160.0  89  65 130  BAL

  1977   4.22  7  8  0  31  0   0 175.0  82  55 114  BAL

  1978   5.04  3 10  0  25  0   0 116.0  65  48  69  BAL

 

  Total ERA   : 3.67

  Total Wins  : 243

  Total Losses: 179

  Total Saves : 0

  Total SHO   : 23

  Total CG    : 46

  Total K's   : 3462

  Total BB's  : 1350

Mickey Lolich
American League rookie of the year in 1963, Lolich never pitched in a postseason game. He was the ace of some bad Tiger teams in the late-sixties and early-70's. Started the 1968 allstar game but was tagged with the loss.



 CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR    ERA  W  L  S   G CG SHO    IP  ER  BB   K  TEAMS

  1963   3.95 14  6  0  32  3   2 223.1  98  65 239  DET

  1964   3.36 16  9  0  31  5   3 222.0  83  59 198  DET,A

  1965   3.77 14 15  0  33  8   4 250.1 105  49 241  DET

  1966   4.04 13 11  0  33  4   0 236.1 106  47 235  DET

  1967   4.31 14 14  0  33  6   1 246.2 118  49 252  DET

  1968   3.86 11 10  0  24  4   1 182.0  78  34 156  DET,A

  1969   3.63 11 15  0  33  8   1 257.2 104  65 236  DET

  1970   3.57 12 14  0  33  8   3 252.1 100  72 196  DET

  1971   3.76 13 11  0  31 12   0 229.2  96  51 199  DET

  1972   4.47 13 14  0  33  5   0 243.2 121  59 169  DET,A

  1973   3.30 12  7  0  26  7   4 204.1  75  51 109  DET

  1974   3.09 18 10  0  33 13   3 276.1  95  62 175  DET

  1975   4.02 16 12  0  33 10   3 248.2 111  52 144  DET

  1976   4.16 11 10  0  29  5   0 220.2 102  42 126  DET

  1977   3.72 15  9  0  31  7   1 227.1  94  87 129  DET

  1978   5.92  3 10  0  27  3   0 167.1 110  55  83  DET

  1979   6.75  0  1  0   4  0   0  10.2   8   4   8  DET

 

  Total ERA   : 3.90

  Total Wins  : 206

  Total Losses: 178

  Total Saves : 0

  Total SHO   : 26

  Total CG    : 108

  Total K's   : 2895

  Total BB's  : 903

Joe Torre
7 time all star catcher for the Braves. Never played a postseason game.





  CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR   AVG HR RBI   G  AB   H 2B 3B   R SB CS  BB   K  OBP  SLG   TEAMS

  1960  .300 15  34 119 230  69  6  0  37  0  1  16  36 .346 .522   MLN

  1961  .230  7  26  62 174  40  7  1  23  0  0  13  32 .283 .402   MLN

  1962  .271  2  17  45 129  35  6  0  16  1  1  11  20 .329 .364   MLN

  1963  .200  0   5  19  30   6  1  1   2  0  0   3   8 .273 .300   MLN

  1964  .284 16  49 146 415 118 21  4  62  1  3  36  69 .341 .470   MLN,N

  1965  .282 12  49 134 369 104 16  1  62  9  1  40  55 .352 .428   MLN

  1966  .219 12  58 148 517 113 16  5  60  9  3  51  76 .289 .338   ATL

  1967  .277 20 100 152 548 152 22  5  82  2  7  40  66 .327 .445   ATL,N

  1968  .233 19  73 149 527 123 24  0  59  4  5  34  72 .280 .387   ATL,N

  1969  .247 15  86 154 575 142 21  4  70  6  6  47  76 .304 .376   ATL,N

  1970  .245 13  59 113 421 103 23  3  60  9  4  35  48 .303 .406   ATL

  1971  .245 15  81 129 462 113 15  1  57 10 13  43  69 .309 .379   ATL

  1972  .268 21  85 135 500 134 20  1  73 10  8  33  52 .313 .438   ATL,N

  1973  .265 17  63 138 461 122 22  2  62 12 12  43  65 .327 .432   ATL

  1974  .253 20  75 139 499 126 21  3  60 10  5  27  81 .291 .427   ATL

  1975  .280 18  89 153 560 157 34  3  74  8  9  32  81 .319 .448   ATL,N

  1976  .300 18  72 133 476 143 16  5  64  6  7  24  67 .334 .468   ATL,N

  1977  .246 15  55 132 399  98 18  2  53  8  7  25  72 .290 .414   ATL

  1978  .242  1   5  29  62  15  1  0   6  3  0   3   8 .277 .306   ATL

 

  Total AB  : 7354

  Total AVG : .260

  Total Hits: 1913

  Total HR  : 256

  Total RBI : 1081

  Total Runs: 982

  Total SB  : 108

Rico Petrocelli
Strong defensive shortstop for the Red Sox, Dodgers and Indians. Won a World Series ring with Boston in 1971 but batted just .130 in the postseason that year.



  CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR   AVG HR RBI   G  AB   H 2B 3B   R SB CS  BB   K  OBP  SLG   TEAMS

  1963  .238 19  79 146 442 105 13  1  57  0  2  41  86 .302 .400   BOS

  1964  .192 10  49 153 438  84 18  2  42  0  0  54 113 .280 .311   BOS

  1965  .232 18  54 159 496 115 28  2  56  0  0  40 139 .289 .405   BOS

  1966  .229 20  62 157 477 109 20  0  62  0  1  63 121 .319 .396   BOS

  1967  .220 17  71 157 527 116 14  3  57  1  0  55 130 .294 .355   BOS

  1968  .193 10  63 155 482  93 22  1  37  2  3  43 123 .259 .305   BOS

  1969  .230  8  49 153 518 119 26  0  60  0  0  58 155 .307 .326   BOS

  1970  .215 15  72 156 540 116 26  0  52  2  0  58 177 .291 .346   BOS

  1971  .268 16  70 154 504 135 26  0  63  0  2  48 134 .332 .415   BOS

  1972  .244 16  68 155 524 128 34  1  60  2  0  48 151 .308 .405   BOS

  1973  .234 10  56 155 513 120 34  1  50  1  1  47 145 .298 .363   BOS

  1974  .217  8  46 134 364  79 20  3  48  1  1  41  99 .296 .354   BOS

  1975  .189  9  42 125 354  67 13  0  39  2  2  51 102 .291 .302   BOS,LAN

  1976  .240  8  53 139 463 111 18  0  51  5  4  54 134 .319 .330   LAN

  1977  .230 10  46 134 370  85 13  2  48  3  1  42  88 .308 .357   LAN,CLE

  1978  .245 12  52 128 428 105 23  3  47  1  0  42 102 .313 .397   CLE

  1979  .214  9  46 146 472 101 22  1  67  0  0  41  95 .277 .322   CLE

 

  Total AB  : 7912

  Total AVG : .226

  Total Hits: 1788

  Total HR  : 215

  Total RBI : 978

  Total Runs: 896

  Total SB  : 20

Jim Longborg
Bothered by injuries for much of his career but won 20 games in 1971 and helped the Red Sox win the World Series.



 CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR    ERA  W  L  S   G CG SHO    IP  ER  BB   K  TEAMS

  1965   4.41  7  8  0  19  2   0 128.2  63  38  77  BOS

  1966   3.79 11 13  0  28  3   0 206.1  87  69 166  BOS

  1967   2.70 16  8  0  30  5   0 220.0  66  66 164  BOS

  1968   3.50 12 12  0  27  5   1 195.1  76  53 163  BOS

  1969   4.77 12  8  0  29  1   0 194.1 103  77 135  BOS

  1970   5.36  7  6  0  22  2   0 142.2  85  42  89  BOS

  1971   4.24 20  7  0  30  3   1 208.0  98  69 152  BOS,A

  1972   4.63 12 11  0  32  0   0 211.2 109  92 131  BOS

  1973   5.29  9 14  0  30  2   0 206.0 121  74 101  BOS

  1974   5.44  9 11  0  26  2   0 177.0 107  65  99  BOS

  1975   6.76  9 12  0  25  0   0 159.2 120  61  79  BOS

  1976   5.88  8 12  0  25  2   0 162.1 106  68  91  BOS

  1977   6.50 10 13  0  25  4   0 169.0 122  54  93  BOS

  1978   6.08  9  9  0  34  2   0 151.0 102  64  98  BOS

  1979   3.94  2  1  0   9  0   0  16.0   7   8   4  BOS

 

  Total ERA   : 4.85

  Total Wins  : 153

  Total Losses: 145

  Total Saves : 0

  Total SHO   : 2

  Total CG    : 33

  Total K's   : 1642

  Total BB's  : 900

Bill Sorrell
Sorrell finished second to Rod Carew in the American League batting race in 1973. Batted .289 in the 1976 postseason as his Yankees lost to the Mets.



  CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR   AVG HR RBI   G  AB   H 2B 3B   R SB CS  BB   K  OBP  SLG   TEAMS

  1965  .271  2  15  46 129  35  2  0  13  2  4   6  12 .304 .333   PHI

  1966  .239  9  60 147 481 115 17  0  35  1  7  32  56 .287 .331   PHI

  1967  .306 21  62 156 576 176 10  0  87 13 18  60  49 .371 .432   PHI

  1968  .300 17  60 150 536 161 10  0  88 10 12  50  45 .360 .414   PHI

  1969  .270  7  41 134 307  83  3  0  45  5  2  33  26 .341 .349   PHI,NYA

  1970  .274 17  80 160 566 155 12  0  75 10 14  67  49 .351 .385   NYA

  1971  .275 14  66 156 559 154  9  0  76 11  9  58  36 .344 .367   NYA

  1972  .307 17  86 161 610 187 11  0  84  2 14  66  30 .374 .408   NYA

  1973  .321 14  78 154 592 190  8  0  78 15 14  71  25 .394 .405   NYA

  1974  .301 17  79 155 632 190 13  0  95 18 15  67  16 .368 .402   NYA

  1975  .280 12  59 154 621 174 13  0  75 14 16  63  28 .346 .359   NYA

  1976  .304 10  76 154 583 177 12  0  88 13 13  72  47 .380 .376   NYA

  1977  .288  4  53 154 559 161  6  0  66  9 17  47  33 .343 .320   NYA

  1978  .333  0   4  12  51  17  0  0   3  3  1   2   4 .358 .333   NYA

 

  Total AB  : 6802

  Total AVG : .290

  Total Hits: 1975

  Total HR  : 161

  Total RBI : 819

  Total Runs: 908

  Total SB  : 126

Gabby Hartnett
The 8 time allstar catcher has career stats that rival HOB Hall of Famers Yogi Berra, Walt Lerian and Rudy York but Hartnett never got the call to join the game's elite.
His best season was 1928 and he helped lead the Cubs to a World Series title that year. He retired following the 1939 season at the age of 38.
Maybe a veterans committee is needed for the HOB Hall of Fame.
Below Hartnett's season by season stats are a comparison of similiar era catchers that made it to the HOB Hall of Fame. NOTE: The veteran's committee did successfully loby to have Hartnett included on the 1984 ballot.





  CAREER STATS :

 

  YEAR   AVG HR RBI   G  AB   H 2B 3B   R SB CS  BB   K  OBP  SLG   TEAMS

  1924  .321  4  29  48 131  42  6  0  18  0  0   9  16 .364 .458   CHI

  1925  .280  7  54 110 354  99 17  1  43  1  1  19  42 .316 .393   CHI

  1926  .313 13  93 139 527 165 37  5  81  0  1  38  67 .359 .476   CHI,N

  1927  .288 13  86 147 556 160 46  2  99  3  2  69  41 .366 .448   CHI

  1928  .325 28 106 141 532 173 35  5  97  1  0  57  34 .390 .568   CHI,N

  1929  .317 15 101 142 561 178 44  1 103  3  1  53  39 .376 .480   CHI,N

  1930  .298 13  79 106 379 113 30  3  71  2  1  42  33 .368 .496   CHI

  1931  .295 22  85 138 526 155 28  4  87  1  3  52  42 .358 .489   CHI,N

  1932  .268 23  87 140 527 141 18  4  85  2  1  60  45 .342 .448   CHI,N

  1933  .286 28 103 148 573 164 20  7  95  2  1  57  43 .351 .492   CHI,N

  1934  .273 24  94 143 538 147 35  4  92  0  0  65  49 .352 .487   CHI

  1935  .278 22  87 126 450 125 31  3 104  4  3  77  26 .383 .507   CHI

  1936  .274 22  94 147 533 146 26  7  96  4  2  92  34 .381 .473   CHI

  1937  .305 27  93 130 472 144 29  4  92  1  1  58  27 .381 .555   CHI,N

  1938  .270 24 100 130 486 131 23  2  81  3  1  57  52 .346 .473   CHI

  1939  .266 18  66 141 492 131 29  3  70  3  0  57  37 .342 .447   CHI,N

 

               HOB   REAL LIFE

  Total AB  : 7637    6432

  Total AVG : .290    .297

  Total Hits: 2214    1912

  Total HR  : 303      236

  Total RBI : 1357    1179

  Total Runs: 1314     867

  Total SB  : 30        28



Does Gaby Hartnett belong in the HOB Hall of Fame? Here is how his career

compares to hall of fame catchers.



NAME             AVG     HITS    HR     allstar   MVP  WS rings

Gaby Hartnett   .290    2214     303      8        0      1

Mickey Cochrane .296    2286     116     10        0      2

Walt Lerian     .294    2242     293      9        1      0

Ernie Lombardi  .302    2818     392     11        2      0

Yogi Berra      .309    2110     238     13        0      5

Rudy York       .264    2292     465      8        0      1

[ January 13, 2002: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]

Rob Hill · 01-13-2002, 05:16 AM

In a pretty weak class, I can only find one that I believe is worthy of induction, and it's not his first time on the ballot. This time after several seasons, 2900 hits and over 400 homers might just do the trick for him.

Jackie Brandt

Lethargic · 01-13-2002, 05:22 AM

1. Don Cardwell
2. Jackie Brandt
3. Jim Brewer
4. Brooks Robinson

Erich Ingram · 01-13-2002, 06:02 AM

Cardwell, Brandt, Hartnett, George Thomas

Nuk · 01-13-2002, 06:13 AM

1. Joe Garagiola
2. Billy Williams
3. Jerry Adair
4. Brooks Robinson
5. Don Cardwell

Nuk

spraybottle · 01-13-2002, 06:16 AM

1. Cardwell
2. Brandt
3. Adair
4. Hartnett

blubbla · 01-13-2002, 06:30 AM

Real weak. Guess my ballot's dedicated to the old standbys.

1. Gabby Hartnett
2. Joe Garagiola
3. Billy Williams
4. Brooks Robinson
5. Don Cardwell
6. Jackie Brandt

edit--fixed typo

[ January 13, 2002: Message edited by: blubbla ]

blueturf · 01-13-2002, 06:57 AM

1. Gabby Hartnett
2. Steve Barber
3. Gearge Thomas

Scott Vibert · 01-13-2002, 07:21 AM

B. Williams
Hartnett

JimServo · 01-13-2002, 08:18 AM

Gabby Hartnett
Joe Garagiola
Billy Williams
Don Cardwell
Jackie Brandt
Jerry Adair

General Mike · 01-13-2002, 08:22 AM

Williams
Adair
Hartnett

alhill · 01-13-2002, 08:48 AM

Brandt
Brooks Robinson

Specs · 01-13-2002, 09:15 AM

I'm caving in for Jackie Brandt, but I still want you guys to check out Juan Pizzaro--numbers rival hall of famers.

1. Brandt
2. Adair
3. Pizzaro
4. Hartnett

NickBam · 01-13-2002, 10:51 AM

1. Cardwell
2. Brandt
3. Billy Williams
4. Hartnett

statfreak · 01-13-2002, 11:04 AM

Adair
Cardwell
Hartnett

LivnLegend · 01-13-2002, 12:42 PM

1. Gabby Hartnett
2. Joe Garagiola

Killebrew · 01-13-2002, 02:45 PM

Tough one ...
- SP Don Cardwell
- OF Billy Williams

Bobbuttons · 01-13-2002, 03:41 PM

1. Brooks Robinson
2. Gabby Hartnett

Dave Elkin · 01-13-2002, 06:52 PM

George Thomas Outfielder
Milt Pappas Pitcher
Gabby Hartnett Catcher

Hartnett for sure, Pappas with 250 wins and Thomas after some thought

CubsFan02 · 01-13-2002, 08:07 PM

Brandt
Hartnett

01-13-2002, 06:02 AM	#4
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,201	Cardwell, Brandt, Hartnett, George Thomas __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

01-13-2002, 06:57 AM	#8
blueturf All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 516	1. Gabby Hartnett 2. Steve Barber 3. Gearge Thomas __________________ Kalama - Fictional World Quick Start with jerseys, logos and map - Photobucket of my fictional stadiums - Stadium thread

01-13-2002, 08:18 AM	#10
JimServo Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Near Philadelphia, PA Posts: 418	Gabby Hartnett Joe Garagiola Billy Williams Don Cardwell Jackie Brandt Jerry Adair __________________ "When I was a small boy in Kansas, a friend of mine and I went fishing and as we sat there in the warmth of the summer afternoon on a river bank, we talked about what we wanted to do when we grew up. I told him that I wanted to be a real major league baseball player, a genuine professional like Honus Wagner. My friend said that he'd like to be President of the United States. Neither of us got our wish." -Dwight D. Eisenhower

01-13-2002, 08:22 AM	#11
General Mike Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerset, NJ Posts: 255	Williams Adair Hartnett __________________ ACL - Houston Astros SHIBA - Los Angeles Dodgers [url=http://baseball.slammedia.net]BL2[/url - New York Mets BTTF - Florida Marlins

01-13-2002, 10:51 AM	#14
NickBam Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Crystal Lake, IL Posts: 33	1. Cardwell 2. Brandt 3. Billy Williams 4. Hartnett __________________ Cubs Fan! <a href="http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ksreynol/lbl/ootpsite/5.htm"> My LBL Profile</a>

01-13-2002, 05:16 AM	#2
Rob Hill Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 47	In a pretty weak class, I can only find one that I believe is worthy of induction, and it's not his first time on the ballot. This time after several seasons, 2900 hits and over 400 homers might just do the trick for him. Jackie Brandt

01-13-2002, 05:22 AM	#3
Lethargic Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: bklyn, ny, usa Posts: 39	1. Don Cardwell 2. Jackie Brandt 3. Jim Brewer 4. Brooks Robinson

01-13-2002, 06:13 AM	#5
Nuk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 215	1. Joe Garagiola 2. Billy Williams 3. Jerry Adair 4. Brooks Robinson 5. Don Cardwell Nuk

01-13-2002, 06:16 AM	#6
spraybottle Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 56	1. Cardwell 2. Brandt 3. Adair 4. Hartnett

01-13-2002, 06:30 AM	#7
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,457	Real weak. Guess my ballot's dedicated to the old standbys. 1. Gabby Hartnett 2. Joe Garagiola 3. Billy Williams 4. Brooks Robinson 5. Don Cardwell 6. Jackie Brandt edit--fixed typo [ January 13, 2002: Message edited by: blubbla ]

01-13-2002, 07:21 AM	#9
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,209	B. Williams Hartnett

01-13-2002, 08:48 AM	#12
alhill Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 79	Brandt Brooks Robinson

01-13-2002, 11:04 AM	#15
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	Adair Cardwell Hartnett __________________ Roll out the barrel!

01-13-2002, 12:42 PM	#16
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	1. Gabby Hartnett 2. Joe Garagiola __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

01-13-2002, 02:45 PM	#17
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	Tough one ... - SP Don Cardwell - OF Billy Williams __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

01-13-2002, 03:41 PM	#18
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	1. Brooks Robinson 2. Gabby Hartnett __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

01-13-2002, 06:52 PM	#19
Dave Elkin Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Mexico Posts: 37	George Thomas Outfielder Milt Pappas Pitcher Gabby Hartnett Catcher Hartnett for sure, Pappas with 250 wins and Thomas after some thought

01-13-2002, 08:07 PM	#20
CubsFan02 Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 17	Brandt Hartnett __________________ TFBL-Arizona(2001 WS Runner-Up)