Just Wondering....

[Mugsy]

For those who do universes with mutiple champions (like WBA, WBC etc), how do you

A) determine when a unification bout will take place

B) determine if a fighter will vacate one of his belts

Happy holidays everyone and thank you in advance for any input in how you guys handle those situations

[WeiLo]

I just started a new fictional universe in TBCB 2013 and imported over 1200 HW fighters from 2.5.27 trial (I have a license but cannot register the game at the moment. eLicense servers appear to be having issues) in the hopes that some of the issues being reported with RFG fighters can be ameliorated somewhat. We'll see haha.

These are the groups I set up:
ABCO (Asian Boxing Council)
ABU (African Boxing Union)
EBU (European Boxing Union)
FESUBOX (South American Boxing Federation)
NABF (North American Boxing Federation)
PBF (Pacific Boxing Federation)
y - Out 1 week
y - Out 2 weeks (and so on)
...
y - Out 15 weeks
z - New

I had to set up the "y - Out xx weeks" groups because TBCB 2013 seems to ignore the "Min Days Inactive" setting from what I've seen. Fighters in the "y - Out xx weeks" groups are set to not be included in the auto-scheduler when they are added to them. I believe I had to do this with TBCB 2, before 2.5 introduced "Min Days Inactive" but I might be imagining that.

All newly generated fighters (100 are added at the beginning of each month) are added to the "z - New" group by default. Then I sort fighters in this group by Nationality and Mass Edit to remove them from the "z - New" group, and add them to the appropriate regional group.

These are the organizations that are set up:
ABCO
ABU
EDU
FESUBOX
IBA
IBC
IBF
IBO
NABF
PBF
WBA
WBC
WBO
WBU

The Organizations that have the same name as the Groups have regional titles. The IBA, IBC, WBO, and WBU are the minor world titles, and the rest are the major world titles.

There are 4 fights per month (on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th to make things easier to keep track of).

At the start of a new week, I go to the fighters in the "y - Out 1 week" group, select all of them, set them to be included in the auto-scheduler, and remove them from the "y - Out 1 week" group. This makes them eligible to fight in the new week. Then, I go to the fighters in the "y - Out 2 weeks" group, select all of them, and remove them from the "y - Out 2 weeks" group and add them to the "y - Out 1 week" group. I do this for the remaining "y - Out xx week" groups in order.

Then, I check each regional organizations' rankings and note who is in the top ten for each. You can filter by group to exclude those who are outside the region. After I have some regional champions, I start to check which ones are ranked 1 and 2 for the minor titles. After minor title holders become a thing, then I check to see which minor title holders are ranked 1 and 2 for the major titles.

Next, I filter fighters by each regional group to determine how many total fighters are eligible for 4 rounds, 6 rounds, etc. They don't have to be included in the auto-scheduler for this part. it's just to determine the number of bouts to run. I run 5% of the total number of eligible fighters in bouts for each set of rounds.

How I determine who fights how many rounds is unrealistic, but it keeps things tidy and organized for me.

4 rounds: no more than 3 bouts
6 rounds: no less than 4 bouts and no more than 9 bouts
8 rounds: anyone who is ranked above 25 (after minor title holders appear) and not fighting for any titles
10 rounds: top 25 world rank (for minor or major titles), or regional title championship bouts
12 rounds: minor title championship bouts
15 rounds: major title championship bouts

If a title is vacant, and the auto-scheduler adds the #1 and #2 ranked fighters for that title, it is a title bout.

If a title holder is scheduled for a fight:

• Regional: Must defend against top 10 ranked opponent for the region every 5 defenses
• Minor: Must defend against top 10 ranked opponent every 4 defenses
• Major: Must defend against top 10 ranked opponent every 3 defenses

Otherwise, they can defend against any ranked opponent in the top 25. Defending against top 10 ranked opponent resets the requirement. If they are required to defend against top 10 ranked opponent, but they are scheduled for someone else, that match is removed from the auto-scheduler list. If they fail to defend their title within a year from the last time they defended, they relinquish the title.

A similar setup worked out well for me about a decade ago with 2.5, but then life happened and been busy since. Got the bug to play this again, and hopefully 2013 lets me get to having some minor title holders. Fingers crossed.

Hope this was helpful information. Please let me know if I need to clarify anything.

And Happy Holidays!

[WeiLo]

Well that didn't take long.

After 3 weeks I already have boxers who fought 2 bouts even though they should not have been included in the auto scheduler.

Here's hoping eLicense either gets their server back up and running, or answers my email. Kinda bummed but oh well.

[WeiLo]

I think I found a workaround that seems to be working how I want so far.

Instead of removing fighters from the auto-scheduler, I now set them to retired while they are out.

I just need to remember to actually retire fighters that reach that stage of their career. Might add a "z - Retired" group for that.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by WeiLo

I just started a new fictional universe in TBCB 2013 and imported over 1200 HW fighters from 2.5.27 trial (I have a license but cannot register the game at the moment. eLicense servers appear to be having issues) in the hopes that some of the issues being reported with RFG fighters can be ameliorated somewhat. We'll see haha.

These are the groups I set up:
ABCO (Asian Boxing Council)
ABU (African Boxing Union)
EBU (European Boxing Union)
FESUBOX (South American Boxing Federation)
NABF (North American Boxing Federation)
PBF (Pacific Boxing Federation)
y - Out 1 week
y - Out 2 weeks (and so on)
...
y - Out 15 weeks
z - New

I had to set up the "y - Out xx weeks" groups because TBCB 2013 seems to ignore the "Min Days Inactive" setting from what I've seen. Fighters in the "y - Out xx weeks" groups are set to not be included in the auto-scheduler when they are added to them. I believe I had to do this with TBCB 2, before 2.5 introduced "Min Days Inactive" but I might be imagining that.

All newly generated fighters (100 are added at the beginning of each month) are added to the "z - New" group by default. Then I sort fighters in this group by Nationality and Mass Edit to remove them from the "z - New" group, and add them to the appropriate regional group.

These are the organizations that are set up:
ABCO
ABU
EDU
FESUBOX
IBA
IBC
IBF
IBO
NABF
PBF
WBA
WBC
WBO
WBU

The Organizations that have the same name as the Groups have regional titles. The IBA, IBC, WBO, and WBU are the minor world titles, and the rest are the major world titles.

There are 4 fights per month (on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th to make things easier to keep track of).

At the start of a new week, I go to the fighters in the "y - Out 1 week" group, select all of them, set them to be included in the auto-scheduler, and remove them from the "y - Out 1 week" group. This makes them eligible to fight in the new week. Then, I go to the fighters in the "y - Out 2 weeks" group, select all of them, and remove them from the "y - Out 2 weeks" group and add them to the "y - Out 1 week" group. I do this for the remaining "y - Out xx week" groups in order.

Then, I check each regional organizations' rankings and note who is in the top ten for each. You can filter by group to exclude those who are outside the region. After I have some regional champions, I start to check which ones are ranked 1 and 2 for the minor titles. After minor title holders become a thing, then I check to see which minor title holders are ranked 1 and 2 for the major titles.

Next, I filter fighters by each regional group to determine how many total fighters are eligible for 4 rounds, 6 rounds, etc. They don't have to be included in the auto-scheduler for this part. it's just to determine the number of bouts to run. I run 5% of the total number of eligible fighters in bouts for each set of rounds.

How I determine who fights how many rounds is unrealistic, but it keeps things tidy and organized for me.

4 rounds: no more than 3 bouts
6 rounds: no less than 4 bouts and no more than 9 bouts
8 rounds: anyone who is ranked above 25 (after minor title holders appear) and not fighting for any titles
10 rounds: top 25 world rank (for minor or major titles), or regional title championship bouts
12 rounds: minor title championship bouts
15 rounds: major title championship bouts

If a title is vacant, and the auto-scheduler adds the #1 and #2 ranked fighters for that title, it is a title bout.

If a title holder is scheduled for a fight:

• Regional: Must defend against top 10 ranked opponent for the region every 5 defenses
• Minor: Must defend against top 10 ranked opponent every 4 defenses
• Major: Must defend against top 10 ranked opponent every 3 defenses

Otherwise, they can defend against any ranked opponent in the top 25. Defending against top 10 ranked opponent resets the requirement. If they are required to defend against top 10 ranked opponent, but they are scheduled for someone else, that match is removed from the auto-scheduler list. If they fail to defend their title within a year from the last time they defended, they relinquish the title.

A similar setup worked out well for me about a decade ago with 2.5, but then life happened and been busy since. Got the bug to play this again, and hopefully 2013 lets me get to having some minor title holders. Fingers crossed.

Hope this was helpful information. Please let me know if I need to clarify anything.

And Happy Holidays!

I guess my next question to you is how do you determine which fighter in the tiop 25 (or 10) they defend the title against? Do you randomize it with a generator app or something? Otherwise why wouldnt you just make them fight someone in the top 10 so they don't have to relinquish the title?

[WeiLo]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

I guess my next question to you is how do you determine which fighter in the tiop 25 (or 10) they defend the title against? Do you randomize it with a generator app or something? Otherwise why wouldnt you just make them fight someone in the top 10 so they don't have to relinquish the title?

I let the autoscheduler determine who they fight and check the title holder's fight history to see if they've defended against a top ten contender in the last xx number of bouts.

When I had a similar setup for a universe last time I played about ten years ago, a title holder relinquished the title only once due to this rule. I think this was because regional title holders had a smaller pool of opponents to defend against, and when minor and major titles came into play, the top 25 fighters would be in their own group fighting against each other, which was another small pool. This meant the chances of a #1 vs. #2 fight (for vacant titles), or champ vs. #1 were higher than if they would fight against the general population.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by WeiLo

I let the autoscheduler determine who they fight and check the title holder's fight history to see if they've defended against a top ten contender in the last xx number of bouts.

When I had a similar setup for a universe last time I played about ten years ago, a title holder relinquished the title only once due to this rule. I think this was because regional title holders had a smaller pool of opponents to defend against, and when minor and major titles came into play, the top 25 fighters would be in their own group fighting against each other, which was another small pool. This meant the chances of a #1 vs. #2 fight (for vacant titles), or champ vs. #1 were higher than if they would fight against the general population.

And if two champions match up in the auto scheduler thats how you have unification bouts?

[WeiLo]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

And if two champions match up in the auto scheduler thats how you have unification bouts?

Yes, that's exactly right.

Also, if a Regional title holder fights for a Minor or Major title, they have to relinquish their title first. And same goes for a Minor title holder fighting for a Major title.

Looks like my workaround stopped working. The auto-scheduler is scheduling fighters I moved to "retired" even though the fight options explicitly are set to use only active fighters.

I think I will need to set up a spreadsheet to schedule fights, and manually set them up.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by WeiLo

Yes, that's exactly right.

Also, if a Regional title holder fights for a Minor or Major title, they have to relinquish their title first. And same goes for a Minor title holder fighting for a Major title.

Looks like my workaround stopped working. The auto-scheduler is scheduling fighters I moved to "retired" even though the fight options explicitly are set to use only active fighters.

I think I will need to set up a spreadsheet to schedule fights, and manually set them up.

Really appreciate your suggestion. I am definitely going to do something very similar. I always manually set up the fights I do. Even when I had 2.5 that's how I did it. I've only used auto-scheduler to arrange matches but never ran my fights through that mode

[zyberianwarrior]

Mugsy you have a LOT of work ahead of you. 6 groups 14 organizations if its one weight class not a big deal but you have a lot of work ahead most of us take extended breaks from the game due to the sheer size of it (others have to restart due to corrupt files) have fun with it just pace yourself

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

For those who do universes with mutiple champions (like WBA, WBC etc), how do you

A) determine when a unification bout will take place

B) determine if a fighter will vacate one of his belts

Happy holidays everyone and thank you in advance for any input in how you guys handle those situations

What I have been doing with my fictional LW universe is have everyone fight once a month. I have regional champions, a single Global Boxing Authority champion, and recently I've started having WBA, etc champions. The championship fight for my fictional Global Boxing Authority takes place once a year, on my birthday. Regional championship fights take place twice a year. Other championships take place whenever I'm in a mood to have a championship fight.

Because it's my universe, I decided long ago that the rules can be whatever I want them to be. As long as I don't let the autoscheduler do silly things like have 2 fighters fight each other over and over and over, etc.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by zyberianwarrior

Mugsy you have a LOT of work ahead of you. 6 groups 14 organizations if its one weight class not a big deal but you have a lot of work ahead most of us take extended breaks from the game due to the sheer size of it (others have to restart due to corrupt files) have fun with it just pace yourself

I definitely don't have as many regional titles as WeiLo. My universe sounds very similar to Antonin's where I had one World Champion and a couple of regional belts. But as my universe continues to expand in the number of fighters in it, I wanted to add a little more opportunity for guys to win world titles and get the drama of unification fights. I want to thank everyone for their input.