Sums up The OOTP Experience

[JRRose]

Just finished retiring free agents that haven't played affiliated ball in 5+ years, assigning POBO's to their actual teams so Andrew Friedman doesn't get signed as the Long Island Ducks GM, inputting every single major surgery, so Zach Wheeler doesn't pitch after having a potentially career ending procedure, replacing the Netherlands Antilles (which hasn't existed in FIFTEEN years) with Curacao, and finally putting the new manager hires on their respective teams, when OOTP crashed and I lost all of the progress.

If OOTP puts no work into making their game realistic, and it takes me an hour to get the save to a good point, why should I even bother with this anymore? Live starts are not maintained at all, and it's insane how there is not a feature to have GMs and assistant GMs for every single team so therefore Friedman, Harris, Dipoto, etc. are not free agents.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

to each their own. But man this seems like such a super edge case. If you want everything exactly as it was in real life, down to that level.... i mean at some point I guess you need to ask a question are you playing a game anymore.
You do realise this isn't EA sports right?

'If OOTP puts no work into making their game realistic, and it takes me an hour to get the save to a good point,'

If that's what you consider a 'good point' I really think you need to reset expectations??

Sorry mate, I see people jump on and rag on the game developers hereand in other posts recently .when to be honest I think it's a freaking amazing situation that we have a game so good, developed by such a small team. And that's not to say it can't or shouldn't be improved - it can and should!

But to see the well....whiny arse responses of some.. its' all just abit 'throw the toys out of the cot tantrum stuff'...for a game!!!.....which people seem to keep buying.despite it being the WORST game ever....

I'm having a blast and looking forward to it and the next iterations getting even better. It's really in a class of 1. I've played FM series since the late 80's, and it doesn't hold a candle the itch that OOTP scratches...It's just a bit harder to find..but when you do...

[JRRose]

Originally Posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

to each their own. But man this seems like such a super edge case. If you want everything exactly as it was in real life, down to that level.... i mean at some point I guess you need to ask a question are you playing a game anymore.
You do realise this isn't EA sports right?

'If OOTP puts no work into making their game realistic, and it takes me an hour to get the save to a good point,'

If that's what you consider a 'good point' I really think you need to reset expectations??

Sorry mate, I see people jump on and rag on the game developers hereand in other posts recently .when to be honest I think it's a freaking amazing situation that we have a game so good, developed by such a small team. And that's not to say it can't or shouldn't be improved - it can and should!

But to see the well....whiny arse responses of some.. its' all just abit 'throw the toys out of the cot tantrum stuff'...for a game!!!.....which people seem to keep buying.despite it being the WORST game ever....

I'm having a blast and looking forward to it and the next iterations getting even better. It's really in a class of 1. I've played FM series since the late 80's, and it doesn't hold a candle the itch that OOTP scratches...It's just a bit harder to find..but when you do...

I understand your viewpoint here. I am very hyperfocused on having realism, but I just wish it was more user-friendly for those like me (there are a lot of us) that want to be able to start a new save and not have to trim out all of the fat that the devs can easily do for us.

[LansdowneSt]

Friedman is in the game as a FA because while he is not the GM, some people want his personality in that role. So he is there if you want him assigned as Dodgers GM. All the GM logic trees in the code go to one slot, GM. It can be the literal GM per MLB or the Pres Baseball Ops as you like - that way no one complains that they wanted Friedman instead of (looks the person up on Google) Brandon Gomes and Friedman’s profile is nowhere to be found (and thus one’d have to create him). So at least there is a reason.

The live start comes from a third party. They too are imperfect (but aren’t we all).

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by JRRose

I understand your viewpoint here. I am very hyperfocused on having realism, but I just wish it was more user-friendly for those like me (there are a lot of us) that want to be able to start a new save and not have to trim out all of the fat that the devs can easily do for us.

i hear you mate. I would probably not be too dissimilar, but i've been playing other sports management games for a long time and whilst clearly flawed and hobbled by limits of original design, there is just something about OOTP that makes me able to forgive its rough edges.

For me, t somehow delivers in other crucial elements that make it feel so much more 'alive' than these other games do. But i do appreciate too, that my perspective is just one way of enjoying the game, and that yours is just as valid and therefore again i do understand how it feels when it doesn't meet that need.


I apologise for being too cranky in my original post. I've been logging on daily now to the site and i think its an accumulation of reading about the negative and snarky negative comments about the game from disappointed gamers that triggered me. I can (and will from now on) just choose to disregard them ,so again hearty apologies!

[panda234]

Originally Posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

there is just something about OOTP that makes me able to forgive its rough edges.

I think of it as multiple games. The way I play now has no relation to how I played when I started or even 3 or 4 years ago.

[ChrisG]

Originally Posted by JRRose

Wheeler doesn't pitch after having a potentially career ending procedure, replacing the Netherlands Antilles (which hasn't existed in FIFTEEN years) with Curacao

Well...this may end up getting fixed. I suggested Netherlands Antilles->Curacao (along with adding the Bahamas to the standard MLB international player origin list) and Lukas acknowledged it as something "doable."

So hope to see it in the next version.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=363105

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by JRRose

Just finished retiring free agents that haven't played affiliated ball in 5+ years, assigning POBO's to their actual teams so Andrew Friedman doesn't get signed as the Long Island Ducks GM, inputting every single major surgery, so Zach Wheeler doesn't pitch after having a potentially career ending procedure, replacing the Netherlands Antilles (which hasn't existed in FIFTEEN years) with Curacao, and finally putting the new manager hires on their respective teams, when OOTP crashed and I lost all of the progress.

If OOTP puts no work into making their game realistic, and it takes me an hour to get the save to a good point, why should I even bother with this anymore? Live starts are not maintained at all, and it's insane how there is not a feature to have GMs and assistant GMs for every single team so therefore Friedman, Harris, Dipoto, etc. are not free agents.

Try finding the CPBL colonels roster sets. I know he does them in the offseason and post on here. Not sure if he keeps up during the season.

[Bagpipes5]

edit: nevermind, I can't find rosters from either users I was thinking of (Cardinals', PSU's) anymore, so I'm redacting my statement.

[RayOyler]

The OP's complaint is reasonable in the context of how much emphasis OOTP puts on the game performing historically. I see people commenting approvingly on how close the performance of their fictional league is to historical. Historical is what people want even when their league isn't historical. They want it more in a league that's closer to historical.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by RayOyler

The OP's complaint is reasonable in the context of how much emphasis OOTP puts on the game performing historically. I see people commenting approvingly on how close the performance of their fictional league is to historical. Historical is what people want even when their league isn't historical. They want it more in a league that's closer to historical.

Brad,

None of the OP's issues are related to historical games.

They relate to the availability in the QuickStart/Live Start of the Pres of Baseball Ops being available to the user but not tied to a team, length of injuries in Live start, and a country that needs is name updated in an Istanbul not Constantinople kind of way.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by RayOyler

The OP's complaint is reasonable in the context of how much emphasis OOTP puts on the game performing historically. I see people commenting approvingly on how close the performance of their fictional league is to historical. Historical is what people want even when their league isn't historical. They want it more in a league that's closer to historical.

Who are the people that make up they?

[RayOyler]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Who are the people that make up they?

I should have used the word "realistic" as the OP did and then explained it. "They" are those who use the word with historical being their measure for realistic. That's why the OP wants the the right names in the right places. Historical doesn't have to be decades ago. Yesterday is history.


The idea realistic means historical permeates the user base.To wit, the acceptance of the concept that there are only so many home runs to go around is near universal. One of the game gurus likes to post about how close to historical his tests are while at the same time using non historical inputs such as high fatigue, no injuries, five year recalc, etc. "They" seems to be most people.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by RayOyler

I should have used the word "realistic" as the OP did and then explained it. "They" are those who use the word with historical being their measure for realistic. That's why the OP wants the the right names in the right places. Historical doesn't have to be decades ago. Yesterday is history.


The idea realistic means historical permeates the user base.To wit, the acceptance of the concept that there are only so many home runs to go around is near universal. One of the game gurus likes to post about how close to historical his tests are while at the same time using non historical inputs such as high fatigue, no injuries, five year recalc, etc. "They" seems to be most people.

Brad, thanks for replying, I wanted to at least give you that opportunity before enforcing the ban. The rules are you cannot invent new accounts after a ban. The consensus is it's you. Sorry, but I'm enforcing the rules as that's what moderators are supposed to do.

[low]

Umm...

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by low

Umm...

Might be an understatement

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by JRRose

Just finished retiring free agents that haven't played affiliated ball in 5+ years, assigning POBO's to their actual teams so Andrew Friedman doesn't get signed as the Long Island Ducks GM, inputting every single major surgery, so Zach Wheeler doesn't pitch after having a potentially career ending procedure, replacing the Netherlands Antilles (which hasn't existed in FIFTEEN years) with Curacao, and finally putting the new manager hires on their respective teams, when OOTP crashed and I lost all of the progress.

If OOTP puts no work into making their game realistic, and it takes me an hour to get the save to a good point, why should I even bother with this anymore? Live starts are not maintained at all, and it's insane how there is not a feature to have GMs and assistant GMs for every single team so therefore Friedman, Harris, Dipoto, etc. are not free agents.

How often did you back up and save?

[reds1]

Originally Posted by low

Umm...

Sums up the OOTP Forum experience.

[eauhomme]

I've gone back to 25. I was averaging almost a pickoff per game in 26 and there were some other odd statistical anomalies, to the point where a sim I was doing was getting entirely unrealistic. Add to that the odd graphics and a few other glitches and I was losing my patience.

[Sweed]

I've been happily playing v26 since it came out. Maybe it's my slow style, daily grind way of playing that allows me to do so? I'm only 40 ish games into my second season. Other than the sign/release bug that was "fixed"** in the latest beta I haven't had any issues. I'm seeing realistic pickoffs unlike eauhomme. I have no doubt that he is seeing this in his game. Maybe a setting? IDK. The only thing I can say is I autocalc my League Total Modifiers each season and stats up and down the line come out as I'd expect.

My league has gone from real players (started in v4 and imported all the way to v26) to totally fictional through attrition. I am long past the "but the AI did x,y, and z to "Joe Realplayer" and that should never happen." I try to keep up with affiliations and MiLB club names in between seasons just to freshen up my game. I do make any and all changes that MLB does (Montreal moving to Washington, uniforms/logos etc.) with the exceptions that the A's still play in Oakland and Tampa in their dome for me. In my world those are anomalies that aren't going to occur. Any changes that are made (things like "must face 3 batters etc.) will never be made at the times they actually occurred IRL because I'm too far into the future. At the end of the day the compromises I've made over the years have become the "reality" of my baseball universe.

I'm fully aware that this doesn't help those that pick up each new version of OOTP wanting to play the new upcoming season with real players. I'm not qualified to comment on the realism, or lack there of, in a new modern game. The only modern game I have ever started in OOTP was the 2002 season in v4. This means the only thing I know and can comment on is that, for me, my now fictional baseball world presents baseball in a realistic way (with League Totals of early 2000's minus steroid power) despite the issues and limits of a computer game.


** Still appears to be a small instance of this happening but down to probably less than 10 per day rather than multiple hundreds. But it's also possible with my slow day to day style of play my league is still sorting from all of the previous moves and it will settle down even more? I've only played about 10 days of my season post beta patch.

Originally Posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

there is just something about OOTP that makes me able to forgive its rough edges.

This is a very good way of putting it. I've been forgiving it's rough edges since v4.