Can someone clear up Shedeur for me?!

[ForeverRoyalKC]

I guess I am missing something somewhere. Can someone clear this up for me? Today, there is a lot on Shedeur Sanders out there. The Browns not giving him the best players to make him look bad, he was never going to make the Browns to begin with, etc., etc.
Is he getting piled on because he's Deion's kid and Deion will have influence? Is it Shedeur's own ego?
I am having trouble putting my finger directly on this whole Shedeur fiasco.
I am admitting my own fault here, but can someone elementary school this for me? I don't get it.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I guess I am missing something somewhere. Can someone clear this up for me? Today, there is a lot on Shedeur Sanders out there. The Browns not giving him the best players to make him look bad, he was never going to make the Browns to begin with, etc., etc.
Is he getting piled on because he's Deion's kid and Deion will have influence? Is it Shedeur's own ego?
I am having trouble putting my finger directly on this whole Shedeur fiasco.
I am admitting my own fault here, but can someone elementary school this for me? I don't get it.

Maybe it's because he is a rookie, one of two at the position, and the younger one at that? And, despite his notoriety, he is not slated to start until further notice? Because, a team will need to prioritize QB1 (Flacco) and QB2 (Pickett) with the starters in order to get ready for the season opener.

There is a similar situation with the Giants. I posted an article about Jaxson Dart in the NFL offseason thread. At one point, it said the following:

Dart took the field with the Giants’ first-team offense on the final possession of the first half. Working with the starters has been a rarity for Dart, who received a single rep with the first-team offense in the first practice of training camp.

The difference between Dart and Sanders, of course, is the notoriety or lack thereof. With all the nonsense about Sanders, people who don't know better are going to think that it's all a conspiracy to punish him and put him in his place. With Dart, it's viewed as a sound method of bringing a rookie along until he is ready.

Believe me, if Sanders is that good, you will see him play and very likely in 2025. I just noticed on the Browns roster that Flacco is 40 years old and Pickett is listed as "questionable".

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I guess I am missing something somewhere. Can someone clear this up for me? Today, there is a lot on Shedeur Sanders out there. The Browns not giving him the best players to make him look bad, he was never going to make the Browns to begin with, etc., etc.
Is he getting piled on because he's Deion's kid and Deion will have influence? Is it Shedeur's own ego?
I am having trouble putting my finger directly on this whole Shedeur fiasco.
I am admitting my own fault here, but can someone elementary school this for me? I don't get it.

Shadeur is to the NFL as Caitlyn Clark is to the WNBA.

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I guess I am missing something somewhere. Can someone clear this up for me? Today, there is a lot on Shedeur Sanders out there. The Browns not giving him the best players to make him look bad, he was never going to make the Browns to begin with, etc., etc.
Is he getting piled on because he's Deion's kid and Deion will have influence? Is it Shedeur's own ego?
I am having trouble putting my finger directly on this whole Shedeur fiasco.
I am admitting my own fault here, but can someone elementary school this for me? I don't get it.

The Shedeur saga is only the latest chapter of the long-running Browns soap opera. "Who's going to be our starter?" is the favorite topic of sports talk shows here in Cleveland. Only a fool would accept being drafted as a Browns quarterback. Better to stay in college another year and take some Ancient Civilizations classes. If you wind up playing QB for the Browns, your career is going to be destroyed. The position is a black hole.

The Browns quarterback drama is an ongoing trivia drinking game here. Years ago when I used to meet a friend downtown on Friday after work, we would walk from bar to bar, trying to name all the Browns starting QBs since 1999. An incorrect answer, and you had to buy all the rounds at the next bar.

When they got Watson, half the fans loved it, and half thought it was appalling. The radio and TV people, of course, spun it as a positive, but really, it never had a chance of ending well.

You say "I don't get it." But there you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Nobody in Cleveland gets it. We just think it's very funny. It's a distraction from the horror of real life, and I guess that should count for something.

[Jordan]

Unfortunately I think some of it is a "sins of the father" situation. I've never seen Shedeur do or say anything objectionable. His brother Shilo, who gets maybe 1/10th of the publicity, has done a lot worse and is no where near as good of a player as Shedeur.

There are plenty of people being loud and wrong about the entire thing, which is basically part of sports culture these days.

Maybe he gets to play this season. Maybe not. There is no conspiracy to it all, IMO.

[Déjà Bru]

Imagine, for a moment, being this guy:

Browns' Kevin Stefanski details reasoning behind Shedeur Sanders decision, quarterback needs

Kevin Stefanski addresses Shedeur Sanders sideline conversation, why Browns chose Tyler Huntley in 2-minute

Now, Sanders had played almost the entire second half of the game, "but the offense came up empty over five possessions, including four three-and-outs and five sacks". So Huntley was given a chance on the final drive, which produced the game winner.

And, of course, the internet lit up as a result and Stefanski is on the defensive since. I wonder if he had any input on drafting Sanders and how he felt about it then, and now.

[Déjà Bru]

His brother is not doing well, either.

Shilo Sanders ejected after punching Bills player in Buccaneers preseason finale, waived following day

Sanders threw a punch after being excessively blocked and less than 24 hours later, Tampa waived him

Watching the video of the play, I don't blame Sanders for his reaction even though he was the one to draw the penalty and the ejection.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Watching the video of the play, I don't blame Sanders for his reaction even though he was the one to draw the penalty and the ejection.

This is what unnerved me. The TE clearly was blocking waaaaaayyyyyyy past the whistle & doesn't get flagged. I get Shilo being tossed, but the TE should have, minimum, been flagged as well.

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Shadeur is to the NFL as Caitlyn Clark is to the WNBA.

Right down to your inability to spell them correctly.

Stan culture isn't new to sports, as Tim Tebow's career demonstrated. It does seem to have grown more noxious.

[ezpkns34]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Shadeur is to the NFL as Caitlyn Clark is to the WNBA.

I don't consider Sanders to be Pro Bowl caliber, but maybe that's just me

[ezpkns34]

The football reasons for the seeming disconnect between college performance and how he's viewed by the NFL community:
* No elite physical skills

* Good accuracy but that's mitigated by questionable decision-making

* That decision-making is less about throwing into double coverage constantly but more about how quickly he is to leave clean pockets while not being the running threat to make that a danger to do

* On a related note, he's NOT good when facing pressure. Yes, most QBs are worse, makes sense, but it's a staggering difference and in the NFL you rarely get many clean pockets, can't have a QB giving them up willingly when he gets them and struggling immensely when he doesn't have one

* So he's frequently drifting from a clean pocket to a more prone area to be sacked or at least hit, and cutting off half the routes as a result, leading to many plays that have a playground football game vibe where it's "everyone run to try to get free", which isn't what NFL coaching staffs want

* He'd frequently ignore play calls in college and go with what he wanted, another trait not viewed positively by NFL coaching staffs

* According to many, his combine interviews were total disasters, giving off the vibe of someone not used to, or interested in, being held accountable .... another trait that's tough to own as an NFL QB

* Reports of his dad trying to finagle where he'd end up surely made teams more reluctant to spend a higher pick on him IF they viewed him as a potential starter down the road due to potential drama. Not the major sticking point at all, in my opinion, but it probably was on the scale somewhere for various teams

* The book on Sanders is he's going to do what he wants when on the field and deflect blame when it doesn't work out. He's atrocious when pressure comes and that could be why he's quick to leave a clean pocket, for fear of that pressure sneaking in. He's accurate, but when that alone is the only higher end skill, it's not a profile that projects very well

Brees had accuracy as his top physical skill, by a mile, but you could also count on him not abandoning a play in under 2 seconds, or calling out of it just cause "he didn't like it" instead of due to what a defense shows, and he wouldn't melt under pressure (he also had a complete and thorough understanding of the playbook, I have no knowledge or read any credible articles mentioning that aspect of Sanders' game, so no clue how similar or not Sanders is there). It also took him years to adjust to the pro game, he was one of the worst starters in the league his first few years

How true the "intangibles" on Sanders are is largely heresy, but when the entire league seems to treat them as accurate, that's a sign the rumors have largely proven true via interviews and other interactions, by all accounts other players get on well with him, but not like they could really trash the head coach's kid either if they didn't

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

I don't consider Sanders to be Pro Bowl caliber, but maybe that's just me

Nobody should.

He is a rookie QB.
He is a rookie QB on one of the worst rosters in the NFL.
He is a rookie QB on one of the worst rosters in the NFL & played w/the guys not good enough to start on that roster.

No one should have expected any greatness once he hit camp. 95% of rookie QB's need time. And all QB's need talent around them. Shedeur lacks both.

[ezpkns34]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Nobody should.

He is a rookie QB.
He is a rookie QB on one of the worst rosters in the NFL.
He is a rookie QB on one of the worst rosters in the NFL & played w/the guys not good enough to start on that roster.

No one should have expected any greatness once he hit camp. 95% of rookie QB's need time. And all QB's need talent around them. Shedeur lacks both.

I'm not the one who compared him to a rookie all star in another sport

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

I'm not the one who compared him to a rookie all star in another sport

You also don't get the point I'm making.

[ezpkns34]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

You also don't get the point I'm making.

I get the part you meant, just that I imagined the analogy must have involved more than 1 level because even just on that level, it's not much of a comparison. There won't be an iota of difference in ratings for Sanders and he's not even the top Rookie in jersey sales


There's marginal name value in that people noticed his play in college

[pilight]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

I get the part you meant, just that I imagined the analogy must have involved more than 1 level because even just on that level, it's not much of a comparison. There won't be an iota of difference in ratings for Sanders and he's not even the top Rookie in jersey sales


There's marginal name value in that people noticed his play in college

The size of his fan army is less important than the platforms they command and their fervent desire to make him a story. Tim Tebow is a better comparison. He also had a relatively small but very devoted and obnoxious fanbase.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

I get the part you meant, just that I imagined the analogy must have involved more than 1 level because even just on that level, it's not much of a comparison. There won't be an iota of difference in ratings for Sanders and he's not even the top Rookie in jersey sales


There's marginal name value in that people noticed his play in college

Go back the original OP. I was answering that question. 90% of the fuss over Shedeur & Clark has nothing to do w/what they do in the game.

[Jordan]

The "conspiracy" argument taking more hits. He made the team. They traded a veteran, cut another who took away his 2 minute opportunity. Won't be enough for the lunatic fringe

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

This is what unnerved me. The TE clearly was blocking waaaaaayyyyyyy past the whistle & doesn't get flagged. I get Shilo being tossed, but the TE should have, minimum, been flagged as well.

Agreed 100%. I hardly see anyone pointing this out. The TE should have been flagged and fined. Not tossed, but flagged. Then he taunted him, which also went ignored.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I guess I am missing something somewhere. Can someone clear this up for me? Today, there is a lot on Shedeur Sanders out there. The Browns not giving him the best players to make him look bad, he was never going to make the Browns to begin with, etc., etc.
Is he getting piled on because he's Deion's kid and Deion will have influence? Is it Shedeur's own ego?
I am having trouble putting my finger directly on this whole Shedeur fiasco.
I am admitting my own fault here, but can someone elementary school this for me? I don't get it.

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Why would the Browns give him the best players in preseason? Who the hell is he? Besides his name he's a nobody rookie. Since when do teams play starters for a rookie?

Joe Milton on the Cowboys got all backup WRs and backup offensive line. Hell, Russel Wilson had to deal with backups. What exactly are you asking?