Aging Question

zyberianwarrior · 08-17-2025, 02:15 AM

Guys I am tinkering with a new(ish) format on my universe problem is they will fight a TON of fights in their career right now I am doing 16 man tourneys instead of 8 to get rid of the pesky box offs (especially draws) and with 2 groups in world/champion and Golden Gloves (new fighters) 4 groups of contenders and journeyman 16 fights every two years is a lot my only other option is 1 group of 16's across the board but that will be a reset of everything (which I dont want to do) especially since i got lucky and found my uni dated a few years back before i changed it to a different format last time. anyway the aging is 8 from beginner to pre prime 8 more to prime. 80 to 144 fights to post prime the 16 to 32 to end and 16 more to retired. Thoughts?

pilight · 08-17-2025, 08:29 AM

Not every fighter has to start at Beginning. If you want a mix of career lengths then start some of the fighters at a later stage. In my fictional uni I start 20% at Beginning, 20% at Pre-Prime, 30% at Post-Prime, and 30% at End.

Cap · 08-17-2025, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pilight

Not every fighter has to start at Beginning. If you want a mix of career lengths then start some of the fighters at a later stage. In my fictional uni I start 20% at Beginning, 20% at Pre-Prime, 30% at Post-Prime, and 30% at End.

Thirty percent at END? How many fights before they RETIRE? Just curious.

Cap

zyberianwarrior · 08-17-2025, 11:20 AM

hmmm not sure about that formula but while everyone starts at beginning others are already in prime post prime etc its only 16 boxers every 2 years (unless i have some mandatory retirements) so....

pilight · 08-17-2025, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap

Thirty percent at END? How many fights before they RETIRE? Just curious.

Cap

1-20

I consider the guys starting at End to be those that lose interest quickly or get injured and have to quit. If you look through BoxRec you'll see that a great many fighters give up after just a few fights for whatever reason. This is my way of modeling that. I used to start everyone at Beginning, but that meant everyone fought a ton of fights, which wasn't realistic, and there were too many high quality fighters.

zyberianwarrior · 08-17-2025, 11:30 PM

that is why i throw in RFG's in..BUT a Sugar Ray Robinson vs Mayweather JR IS GOOD!

Antonin · 08-18-2025, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

Not every fighter has to start at Beginning. If you want a mix of career lengths then start some of the fighters at a later stage. In my fictional uni I start 20% at Beginning, 20% at Pre-Prime, 30% at Post-Prime, and 30% at End.

It never crossed my mind to handle aging in this manner. I'd like to hear more about your fictional universe, since I usually play fictional.

I'd also appreciate more discussion by zyberianwarrior on how his universe is progressing.

pilight · 08-18-2025, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonin

It never crossed my mind to handle aging in this manner. I'd like to hear more about your fictional universe, since I usually play fictional.

It didn't occur to me for a long time. Starting everybody at Beginning seemed perfectly natural. But, the game doesn't have any mechanism for automatically retiring fighters until the reach End, so every fighter was fighting 50+ fights and reaching their full potential. That didn't seem right, so I started thinking about how I could improve the realism of the sim. I've tinkered with the percentages until I found a ratio I'm happy with. If you want more true-to-life then you'd need to start even more fighters at Post-Prime and End, since a great majority of fighters have careers that span less than 40 fights and never really reach their full potential.

I don't start anybody at Prime because I don't want someone being a world beater right out of the gate. Nobody's a 15 in their first fight.

zyberianwarrior · 08-19-2025, 10:09 AM

Antonin I had a web site a while back dedicated to this (for some reason I cannot update it but no biggie) and its interesting I combined RFG with real fighters in the mix even created a custom excel/open office to help me decide on which fighters fight in which group (ie contender has 4 groups 32 fighters and they are assigned in each group randomly) and getting some weird results as well (one time a fighter missed 89 of 89 punches in his fight) and another one got a KO going 30/30 in 1st round.

Plight you are right about that which is why i LOVED the KFC format that i adopted and did some minor tweaking to suit me. Before with the box offs say journeymen against golden gloves (the rookies) if a GG boxer wins then the journeyman fighter is "retired" from the loss and removed from the simulation.

That is why i am tinkering with the tourneys and really dont want the extra time for "box offs" right now two teams of 8 for 16 bouts is a 120 bout tournament and instead of 90 days in between "rounds" (which would stretch it out 4 years i think) i dropped it to 45 days and then it can finish in two days but that is a LOT of fight 15 in two years. That is why i posted the question. I would like to be a little realistic but these are what ifs.

I know going back to the early 1900's and before the fighters did not give a damn they just wanted to fight and we saw fighters with over 100 bouts in their career. 15 rounds dropped to 12 and so on.

To my knowledge there is NOT another game out there like this. and some of you that continues to update fighters on an almost daily basis (thank you) so gotta keep it going.

Antonin · 08-19-2025, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by zyberianwarrior

Antonin I had a web site a while back dedicated to this (for some reason I cannot update it but no biggie) and its interesting I combined RFG with real fighters in the mix even created a custom excel/open office to help me decide on which fighters fight in which group (ie contender has 4 groups 32 fighters and they are assigned in each group randomly) and getting some weird results as well (one time a fighter missed 89 of 89 punches in his fight) and another one got a KO going 30/30 in 1st round.

Plight you are right about that which is why i LOVED the KFC format that i adopted and did some minor tweaking to suit me. Before with the box offs say journeymen against golden gloves (the rookies) if a GG boxer wins then the journeyman fighter is "retired" from the loss and removed from the simulation.

That is why i am tinkering with the tourneys and really dont want the extra time for "box offs" right now two teams of 8 for 16 bouts is a 120 bout tournament and instead of 90 days in between "rounds" (which would stretch it out 4 years i think) i dropped it to 45 days and then it can finish in two days but that is a LOT of fight 15 in two years. That is why i posted the question. I would like to be a little realistic but these are what ifs.

I know going back to the early 1900's and before the fighters did not give a damn they just wanted to fight and we saw fighters with over 100 bouts in their career. 15 rounds dropped to 12 and so on.

To my knowledge there is NOT another game out there like this. and some of you that continues to update fighters on an almost daily basis (thank you) so gotta keep it going.

When we bought a new computer in January and I eventually got TBCB 2.5 to run on it, I discovered on a CD that I had several old universes saved. I loaded one of them into the game. As usual for me, it's fictional. No real fighters.

Because I don't subscribe to any magazines and have not bought a PPV since Pacquiao-Hatton, I just don't know the current fighters very well. I have a boxing news app on my phone, but it's not very useful. And as we all know, there's very little boxing on cable.

For reasons I don't remember, the division I'm mainly running these days is a LW division.

Right now everybody's career starts at "Beginning," but pilight has a great idea, and I think some of my TCs ("Club Fighters" I call them) will begin at Post Prime or End from now on. Maybe I will do the same for the group I call "Journeymen." That really makes sense. And it's an elegantly simple way to manage the careers of fictional TCs who are not expected to play a major role in the uni.

My group at the top in terms of eventual "at prime" ratings of 12-15 I call "Contenders." Below that I have a group called "Trial Horse," or maybe I should change that to "Gatekeepers."

Yes, you are right: there is not another game quite like this one. With a little imagination, you can do almost anything.

Even though I spend most of my time on fictional, I still run fights with historical fighters, "just to see."

I used to have a tournament uni with real life WW fighters, but lost interest in it. And I have a historical HW uni somewhere on CD. At the point where I copied it onto CD, John L. Sullivan was about to fight for the world championship.

I have repeatedly read the instructions others including pilight have kindly posted on how to update to the 2.7 patch and update the database. I'm going to try once again to actually do those things, so I can get the most out of this wonderful game while we still have it...

zyberianwarrior · 08-20-2025, 05:11 PM

ok i got your answer on that FORGET CABLE PERIOD! (its dying anyway) get a decent speed internet and ROKU unit (it plug into your internet and tv) they have an app in it called roku channel and in that there are at least THREE LEGIT BOXING channels (one is DAZN) and they all stream 24/7 and that app is FREE! (once you buy the Roku box stick whatever)

now part two here is how I set up my uni (for the first time) take 16 boxers (or 32/64) totally random fight (tourney works better) them top 8 (16/32) move up. Once you get your first 64 fighters fight those 64 get the top 32 move them up (by now they should be all prime fighters) then those 32 fighters have then do another tournament (tourneys are a quick way to get a uni started) take the top 16 and then you have your top 16 fighters going for the title. those 16 will be in advanced prime (maybe pending on your settings) or post prime. then you can get new fighters in and fill in the gaps as fighters age out etc....

as for 12-15's the RFG ratings are OVERRATED a LOT only decent 15 fighter I have seen as an RFG is a dude named Tracy Tucker this guy is LEGIT and a BOMB! 15 CF either way, 0 chin 0 recovery 1 cut resistance absorb punishment 8 KI 4 aggressive 8 HP 31 punch 30 counter punch 64 punches missed defense -6 11 conditioning 71 clinch fight in/out cover go for ko all 4's and has a record of 53-14-1(8) in lightweight and just beat Manny Pacquiao to become a two time champ (lost title by the ranking/performance system i use has yet to lose title in match when its on the line) and has bene fighting since i started the uni in year start date 2015 (just ended 2026-2027 season) and that win over Manny was SD (both fighters were PRIME rated) Tracy is now post prime.

By Comparison another RFG Jorge Gonzales pretty much same as Tucker EXCEPT conditioning is 6 clinch is 71 hp and ki is 5 and 15 control b/s his record? 31-25-1(4) AND he BEAT Tucker via MD too. And Jorge is prime rate 12

I have another RFG at 39-19-1(7) rated as a 10 another rated 9 28-10-4(6) (all in the champion group). So you get a mixed bag (i also us ethe random 7-15 setting in RFG selection) so dont overlook the sub 12's. and i wish i could just update the data base and get the fighters from there but stuck with downloading the files here instead (no biggie just takes time)

also unlike a LOT on here i actually split up the ratings from 0-6 and 7-15 and give the 0-6 group shots at their own title. the two groups will NOT face each other (ever)

08-17-2025, 02:15 AM	#1
zyberianwarrior All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 1,502	Aging Question Guys I am tinkering with a new(ish) format on my universe problem is they will fight a TON of fights in their career right now I am doing 16 man tourneys instead of 8 to get rid of the pesky box offs (especially draws) and with 2 groups in world/champion and Golden Gloves (new fighters) 4 groups of contenders and journeyman 16 fights every two years is a lot my only other option is 1 group of 16's across the board but that will be a reset of everything (which I dont want to do) especially since i got lucky and found my uni dated a few years back before i changed it to a different format last time. anyway the aging is 8 from beginner to pre prime 8 more to prime. 80 to 144 fights to post prime the 16 to 32 to end and 16 more to retired. Thoughts?

08-17-2025, 08:29 AM	#2
pilight All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 1,971	Not every fighter has to start at Beginning. If you want a mix of career lengths then start some of the fighters at a later stage. In my fictional uni I start 20% at Beginning, 20% at Pre-Prime, 30% at Post-Prime, and 30% at End.

08-17-2025, 11:20 AM	#4
zyberianwarrior All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 1,502	hmmm not sure about that formula but while everyone starts at beginning others are already in prime post prime etc its only 16 boxers every 2 years (unless i have some mandatory retirements) so....

08-17-2025, 11:30 PM	#6
zyberianwarrior All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 1,502	that is why i throw in RFG's in..BUT a Sugar Ray Robinson vs Mayweather JR IS GOOD!

08-19-2025, 10:09 AM	#9
zyberianwarrior All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 1,502	Antonin I had a web site a while back dedicated to this (for some reason I cannot update it but no biggie) and its interesting I combined RFG with real fighters in the mix even created a custom excel/open office to help me decide on which fighters fight in which group (ie contender has 4 groups 32 fighters and they are assigned in each group randomly) and getting some weird results as well (one time a fighter missed 89 of 89 punches in his fight) and another one got a KO going 30/30 in 1st round. Plight you are right about that which is why i LOVED the KFC format that i adopted and did some minor tweaking to suit me. Before with the box offs say journeymen against golden gloves (the rookies) if a GG boxer wins then the journeyman fighter is "retired" from the loss and removed from the simulation. That is why i am tinkering with the tourneys and really dont want the extra time for "box offs" right now two teams of 8 for 16 bouts is a 120 bout tournament and instead of 90 days in between "rounds" (which would stretch it out 4 years i think) i dropped it to 45 days and then it can finish in two days but that is a LOT of fight 15 in two years. That is why i posted the question. I would like to be a little realistic but these are what ifs. I know going back to the early 1900's and before the fighters did not give a damn they just wanted to fight and we saw fighters with over 100 bouts in their career. 15 rounds dropped to 12 and so on. To my knowledge there is NOT another game out there like this. and some of you that continues to update fighters on an almost daily basis (thank you) so gotta keep it going.

08-20-2025, 05:11 PM	#11
zyberianwarrior All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 1,502	ok i got your answer on that FORGET CABLE PERIOD! (its dying anyway) get a decent speed internet and ROKU unit (it plug into your internet and tv) they have an app in it called roku channel and in that there are at least THREE LEGIT BOXING channels (one is DAZN) and they all stream 24/7 and that app is FREE! (once you buy the Roku box stick whatever) now part two here is how I set up my uni (for the first time) take 16 boxers (or 32/64) totally random fight (tourney works better) them top 8 (16/32) move up. Once you get your first 64 fighters fight those 64 get the top 32 move them up (by now they should be all prime fighters) then those 32 fighters have then do another tournament (tourneys are a quick way to get a uni started) take the top 16 and then you have your top 16 fighters going for the title. those 16 will be in advanced prime (maybe pending on your settings) or post prime. then you can get new fighters in and fill in the gaps as fighters age out etc.... as for 12-15's the RFG ratings are OVERRATED a LOT only decent 15 fighter I have seen as an RFG is a dude named Tracy Tucker this guy is LEGIT and a BOMB! 15 CF either way, 0 chin 0 recovery 1 cut resistance absorb punishment 8 KI 4 aggressive 8 HP 31 punch 30 counter punch 64 punches missed defense -6 11 conditioning 71 clinch fight in/out cover go for ko all 4's and has a record of 53-14-1(8) in lightweight and just beat Manny Pacquiao to become a two time champ (lost title by the ranking/performance system i use has yet to lose title in match when its on the line) and has bene fighting since i started the uni in year start date 2015 (just ended 2026-2027 season) and that win over Manny was SD (both fighters were PRIME rated) Tracy is now post prime. By Comparison another RFG Jorge Gonzales pretty much same as Tucker EXCEPT conditioning is 6 clinch is 71 hp and ki is 5 and 15 control b/s his record? 31-25-1(4) AND he BEAT Tucker via MD too. And Jorge is prime rate 12 I have another RFG at 39-19-1(7) rated as a 10 another rated 9 28-10-4(6) (all in the champion group). So you get a mixed bag (i also us ethe random 7-15 setting in RFG selection) so dont overlook the sub 12's. and i wish i could just update the data base and get the fighters from there but stuck with downloading the files here instead (no biggie just takes time) also unlike a LOT on here i actually split up the ratings from 0-6 and 7-15 and give the 0-6 group shots at their own title. the two groups will NOT face each other (ever)