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A Solid Baseball Hall of Fame Class This Year
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Here are the three player photos from the article that I owe you (there is a limit of 5 uploaded images per post):
Billy Wagner: Dave Parker: Dick Allen:
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Some random thoughts of my own:
At first, I was waxing irate over the one, one, sportswriter who did not vote for Ichiro. Read Ichiro's credentials again and wonder. Bad day and mad at everybody? Don't like Asian-born athletes? Just a stupid mistake or let the cat make the picks? But then, I thought this way: 393 out of 394 people agreed on something. Where in our society today can you achieve a 99.7% consensus on anything? Sabathia's picture (the one in a Yankee uniform) does not do him justice. He was heavier than that in his playing days. Yet now, look at him in the Hall of Fame photo. That man has lost a ton of weight since he retired, and good for him. He maintains that he needed the extra weight to pitch well. Who can argue with him now? It's hard to imagine why it took Wagner 10 years to be elected, given what it says about him in the article. I think it's because the path to the Hall of Fame for relief pitchers is not as clear as for other players. You have to be really spectacular and earn a lot of media attention, preferably in a big market. Wagner did not get to New York until he was 34. Parker knew, he had to know, that he was elected to the Hall of Fame before he died. That is some consolation that the next guy never received, unfortunately. Allen hit a 540-foot home run. What a poke that must have been. You don't hear much about 500-foot homers these days. When is the last one that happened in the MLB? According to this, the longest this season so far is 484 feet (Mike Trout). And according to this, only three guys have hit 500+ foot home runs in the past ten years, 505, 504, and 504 feet. So Allen really belted that ball.
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Ichiro is a first ballot HOFer in my mind without question, but the things that people say about him always puzzle me. Yeah he had 262 hits in 2004, but he still got on base less than Bobby Abreu and had an OPS 100 points lower. His case for being a better player than someone like Abreu was his defense and baserunning, not his hitting. Actually, Abreu stole 5 more stolen bases with 6 fewer times caught that year, so it's basically his defense that would make me rank him ahead.
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There was a nice crowd for all five…but dang, those Seattle fans can make the noise. Big ovations for The Big Unit, Junior, and Edgar. Congrats to Ichiro for bringing out such passion.
Of all the ex-Mets mediocrities, I didn't expect a Doug Henry shout-out. But Wee Willie Wags shouted out every man he shared a Houston bullpen with. I did flinch a bit at the talk of how Wags succeeded despite his small size, given that Billy had three great first halves as a Met, but wore down in September every single time, where perhaps a larger man would have been healthy enough to have a better post-season in '06 than the 6.53 ERA he posted, or been able to keep us from having to depend (unsuccessfully) on the Luis Ayalas of the world to avoid the collapses that ruined the final two seasons of Big Beautiful Shea. I can get on Tom Glavine for his game 162 disaster in '07 (or his running back to Atlanta without facing the press)…but at least Glavine was there. I grant you that Billy made the most of the body he had, but it's a bit odd to see him inducted next to Carsten Charles Sabathia, the big pile of meat who was renowned for pitching complete games down the stretch (often on short rest) to get his teams the post-seasons that Billy failed to deliver for the Mets, including literally taking the spot from us in 2008 that ensured that the beautiful closing ceremonies that followed (with one of the two men wearing a Mets cap on his HoF plaque pitching to the other) were truly the end, instead of the warm-up to one final playoff run. Interesting to see CC, Manly Manfred's golf buddy, coming thisclose to calling out MLB's failure to keep as significant a black presence in MLB as before. Ichiro's speech was damn hilarious (including the Rick Rizzs impression) and deep about the focus on preparation, including the loose strings on the glove. So meticulous. Who was the kid whom Dick Allen took to mentoring and who was at the ceremonies? I never caught his name . David Parker II did a great job with his speech, but I wish that "Pops" had been able to recite that delightful poem he wrote. (And it would be great if the Buccos would get on the stick and build the statue referenced therein…or at least retire the Cobra's number already!) Last edited by Amazin69; 07-28-2025 at 12:44 PM. |
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Ichiro was a magician with the bat. If he would have started earlier in states he would have been the hit king.
Also, I know a lot of these have been phased out of baseball but I miss counting stats for hall of famers. Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure we will never see another 300 game winner. 3,000 hits may be another one that goes the way of the dinosaur too. Last edited by Hrycaj; 07-27-2025 at 07:08 PM. |
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It really is remarkable to see the shape that CC is in now.
I am happiest about Allen getting in. It's long overdue.
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• Fabulous Freddie Freeman is at 2369 currently and has averaged over 180 per season for his career. Even if the 153 last year and a total this season (102 in 106 team games) that seems likely to track with that are his new normal, he'd still get there by 2029 at that reduced pace. And first basemen/DHs can play until age 39 or beyond. • Manny Machado just cracked 2000 (2022 atm, IIRC) and he's 33. He's never been a big hit producer (the 189 in his rookie year is his career high), but he's under contract for another 8 seasons, so would barely need to average 120 per year to get there. Of course, he might not make it all the way there, but… • Frankie Sweet Money, aka Francisco Lindor, is at 1597 right now, and he's 31 years old. Tough to project, but hardly impossible. • And of course, Lindor has a teammate who just passed 1000. Juan Soto is only 26, recall. The Mets are paying him for another 14 seasons, so we won't know for quite a while, but if Mr 765 is worth even 600M of what he's got coming, he can give it a shot. |
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Yes, there is no reason why 3,000 hits is permanently beyond the horizon unless there comes a time when the latest concern and fad is about players having to swing their bats more than, say, three times a game. Or, say, having to play the field more than six innings.
Picture it: Some analytical department in Brian Cashman's organization publishes a study linking player injuries with excessive at-bats. There is further evidence that injuries are hazily linked to the seventh, eighth, and ninth innings of games, plus a correlation with overall innings played per season! Aaron Boone jumps on it, of course, and decides to platoon players accordingly. This gets top coverage on ESPN and elsewhere, and within a fortnight, all MLB managers are doing the same thing, afraid to be accused of hurting their position players with excessive use. The MLBPA loves the idea, as it will end up expanding rosters to 30 or 35 players. They cut a deal with team owners to lower minimum salaries but that lasts only a few years. Team owners use this to justify charging $100 a head for bleacher seats and passing the costs on to media companies. Our monthly cable bill reaches $400 as a result. Ten years later, we are exclaiming when Nick Kurtz hits his 20th home run on September 30. And Juan Soto is closing in on 1,000 career hits!
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Thank you!
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Funny how when Barry Bonds lost his weight, no one said they are glad he’s looking healthy…
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Never said it wasn’t possible. We will see though. Freeman and Altuve are already 35. Machado is 33, if he can stay healthy he has a shot. Actually the best of the bunch may be Vlad Jr. who is over 1000 at 26.
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Good point; Vladi's on 1021 to Soto's 1028, but he is five months younger.
I'd like to think that playing in the field rather than being consigned to 1B/DH so early on gives Juan a better shot, but I did just get through seeing Edgar Martinez on Sunday, so… |
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