Accidentally played player in outfield, got fielding rating

[CanadaCajanek21]

Hi all! So tonight I accidentally put Yandy Diaz in RF (1B/3B only) in for a game- well, actually EIGHT innings before I realized and subbed him. Left the game and noticed he now has a 20/45 at RF! This has to be a glitch, right? If this is not normal I feel I should enable commish and remove it.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

Hi all! So tonight I accidentally put Yandy Diaz in RF (1B/3B only) in for a game- well, actually EIGHT innings before I realized and subbed him. Left the game and noticed he now has a 20/45 at RF! This has to be a glitch, right? If this is not normal I feel I should enable commish and remove it.

Experience playing the position + Individual defensive ratings = positional rating.

This is normal.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

Hi all! So tonight I accidentally put Yandy Diaz in RF (1B/3B only) in for a game- well, actually EIGHT innings before I realized and subbed him. Left the game and noticed he now has a 20/45 at RF! This has to be a glitch, right? If this is not normal I feel I should enable commish and remove it.

Why would this not be normal? You put a person in a position they have never played, they got a small bit of experience playing in that said position, and now have a 20 rating in that position.

This is something you can utilize during spring training to help players learn new positions and during spring training the process is slightly faster, where during the regular season, you would need to leave Diaz out their all season to get him close to that 45 rating, where during spring training, it might max him out.

[LansdowneSt]

If you were on a 1 to 100 scale, It’d likely be a one. He has experience at the position, doesn’t get much lower as a rating, and doesn’t mean he’s good at it.

I mean,Toonces the Cat after all could technically drive… just not very well.

[CanadaCajanek21]

Originally Posted by twins_34

Why would this not be normal? You put a person in a position they have never played, they got a small bit of experience playing in that said position, and now have a 20 rating in that position.

This is something you can utilize during spring training to help players learn new positions and during spring training the process is slightly faster, where during the regular season, you would need to leave Diaz out their all season to get him close to that 45 rating, where during spring training, it might max him out.

To me, one game should not be enough to "register" a new position. Yandy is not a good defender. His current 3B ratings are 25/35 (45's in defensive ratings).....a position he's played over 2,000 innings at....

So now, you can just put a random player at 3B for one game and his ratings there will be nearly the same as someone with years of experience there. You can see why I am not a fan of this, but again, it's how the game works, so it's all good.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

To me, one game should not be enough to "register" a new position. Yandy is not a good defender. His current 3B ratings are 25/35 (45's in defensive ratings).....a position he's played over 2,000 innings at....

So now, you can just put a random player at 3B for one game and his ratings there will be nearly the same as someone with years of experience there. You can see why I am not a fan of this, but again, it's how the game works, so it's all good.

I'm confused why you think this is wrong. a 20 rating is as bad as a player can be at a position. it simply means a player once played in that position for 8 innings

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

To me, one game should not be enough to "register" a new position. Yandy is not a good defender. His current 3B ratings are 25/35 (45's in defensive ratings).....a position he's played over 2,000 innings at....

So now, you can just put a random player at 3B for one game and his ratings there will be nearly the same as someone with years of experience there. You can see why I am not a fan of this, but again, it's how the game works, so it's all good.

But it's not a "new" position really. Hell, do you think it is that hard to play different positions? We have position players that pitch and if you translated that to OOTP they would be a 20 at pitcher. But like others said, on a 1-100 scale that 20 would be a 1. Most players can play anywhere on the field and it is not that he "learned" the position... he got EXPERIENCE in that position.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by twins_34

This is something you can utilize during spring training to help players learn new positions and during spring training the process is slightly faster, where during the regular season, you would need to leave Diaz out their all season to get him close to that 45 rating, where during spring training, it might max him out.

It would be good to mention your method of handling recalc in this situation on saves where it's enabled. I have followed your method with good effect.

[dewelar]

The question, though, is what season and options are you playing? Diaz did play a few games in the outfield early in his career, so he might have some lingering defensive ratings there if you're playing either in the late 10s or with career defensive ratings. OTOH, if it's 2025 Yandy without career ratings, I wouldn't expect he'd have more than the typical bare minimum 20 potential, so there might be some weirdness there.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by dewelar

The question, though, is what season and options are you playing? Diaz did play a few games in the outfield early in his career, so he might have some lingering defensive ratings there if you're playing either in the late 10s or with career defensive ratings. OTOH, if it's 2025 Yandy without career ratings, I wouldn't expect he'd have more than the typical bare minimum 20 potential, so there might be some weirdness there.

Many players have defensive ratings for both OF and IF. They just dont have experience for both

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by dewelar

The question, though, is what season and options are you playing? Diaz did play a few games in the outfield early in his career, so he might have some lingering defensive ratings there if you're playing either in the late 10s or with career defensive ratings. OTOH, if it's 2025 Yandy without career ratings, I wouldn't expect he'd have more than the typical bare minimum 20 potential, so there might be some weirdness there.

As per 25 he has a 77 on Outfield range, 85 error and 138 arm. Just no experience. Same for each version as far back as 19

In reality all players should have ratings in both outfield and infield but due to limitations with OOTP they don't.

[brigmcneil]

It sounds like the assumption is that his playing OF for that game was the first instance he was introduced to the position. The game does not reflect that your team probably had him out there during the days/weeks leading up to it, practicing and being taught by coaches and peers on what to do. Heck, he probably owned an OF glove and practiced out there in the event this happened. When Mookie Betts became an SS, I am pretty sure he built some "skill" before playing in a game, so his ratings wouldn't reflect a 0/0.

[dewelar]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Many players have defensive ratings for both OF and IF. They just dont have experience for both

Yes, that's true, but for historical players it's dependent on your "Base Fielding Ratings On..." settings on import. If you're looking at 2025 Yandy Diaz, who hasn't played the outfield since 2017, the only way he should have more than nominal ratings there would be if you use "Entire Career", as I presume OutS|der did. OTOH, when I import him into a game using "3-Year Period", I get Range 11, Error 4 and Arm 19, which is essentially unrated. That's why I said it depends.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by dewelar

Yes, that's true, but for historical players it's dependent on your "Base Fielding Ratings On..." settings on import. If you're looking at 2025 Yandy Diaz, who hasn't played the outfield since 2017, the only way he should have more than nominal ratings there would be if you use "Entire Career", as I presume OutS|der did. OTOH, when I import him into a game using "3-Year Period", I get Range 11, Error 4 and Arm 19, which is essentially unrated. That's why I said it depends.

I was using the MLB Quickstarts that come with the game. They still include his OF ratings.


Due to limitations in OOTP you have to be careful with defensive ratings as the AI will move players up the defensive spectrum, this really problematic for historical as it's unrealistic.

We really need an overhaul of fielding.

[clamel]

Have to add to this discussion, or maybe ask in this to find something after all the years I played this game.

When players are put in a new position I am counting on that the game have different scale to handle the move. Some positions are harder to learn than others.
Also depending on what is the player normal position or what positions he already got experience with should play in how fast he learns this new position.
Like learn catcherrole for an outfielder I see as the hardest (if not counting turning someone into a pitcher, which is extreem)

I never thought on it, just watched the outcome and kept changes to players I understood could be switched, based on real life experience.
Bottom line certain new positions should be different to learn for different players, depending on where they played in their career.

Add to this certain things like if the player is lefthanded could play in I hope for some positions, like infield.
One can easy see that learning 1B might be the easiest, but even there can be different between left and right throwing players, or is it?

Then this would be cool if encounter this when trying to switch a player to a new position. Storyline perhaps.
https://www.mlb.com/news/rafael-deve...e-for-red-sox?

[Brad K]

As the easiest position, any historic position player should be able to trained to at least a poor rating at 1B. However, unless that player played an IF position real life during the rating period, he won't attain even a poor rating at 1B.