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Old 04-19-2025, 06:57 PM   #1
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So frustrated with PT Tournaments

I do exclusively Silver or Lower and Bronze and Lower. My B&L team I picked can go all the way to the championship game and lose. I’m okay with that. But then run it again and I get swept in the first round. Then run it again and i come in second. Run em again and guess what…yep swept.

How am I supposed to know what works and what doesn’t when it yo-yos like this?!?

*Don’t ask about my S&L. I can’t get past the first round with them no matter who I copy.
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Old 04-25-2025, 11:16 PM   #2
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yes, it is incredibly random. brute force is the rule in these tourneys

enter enough and the rng will work in your favor

... or quit messing with 'em, cause it's so much luck.

It seemed like it was a bit less random in OOTP 22 and 23, but I could be terrible mistaken.

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Old 04-26-2025, 03:53 PM   #3
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Parity.
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Old 04-27-2025, 08:31 AM   #4
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Yep, parity.

When you have 200 teams with basically the same roster, the law of averages says you win 1 out of 200 times... Can't fix that unless you get the best cards first, and that doesn't last more than a few days before everyone else gets the same cards.

The current design of tournaments is based on playing as many as possible and fast as you can and then cross your fingers you get lucky. Personally, I would like to see something that requires more skill, but I also don't have an answer to that... maybe we can throw some ideas around and come up with something?
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Old 04-27-2025, 10:16 AM   #5
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Two things I think would be fun and inject a little more skill into tournaments/drafts:

Cap Draft: Basically every round is a rainbow pack. One card of each tier every round, (maybe more of the lower ones or a full round of irons at the end, whatever makes it work) but your team has a cap so you can't just take perfects every round. Like, you have to actually decision make and evaluate every pick and not just take the best card. Would be super fun.

Era Tournaments: Rather than have a tournament with a set era, the era your team plays it's home games in is set by the make-up your team. I know they have era designations added to cards already, so whatever the majority era is among your roster, That's your era. This would open up so many different strategies and you'd actually have, at minimum, a meta team for every era instead of just the one meta roster that everyone plays.

And then you have to think about what your 'bad match-ups' are and how you can maybe mitigate that with your bench players. It would probably have a very dynamic metagame, which is something this game is currently lacking.

I come from a tcg background so I'm looking at it through that lens. There is so much potential for this to be more than just a spreadsheet, pay to win game. There are ways to reward skill so that ftp managers have something to be excited about. Like, I don't care about winning perfect league, but let me use my brain a little, you know.
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Old 04-28-2025, 07:47 PM   #6
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Two things I think would be fun and inject a little more skill into tournaments/drafts:

Cap Draft: Basically every round is a rainbow pack. One card of each tier every round, (maybe more of the lower ones or a full round of irons at the end, whatever makes it work) but your team has a cap so you can't just take perfects every round. Like, you have to actually decision make and evaluate every pick and not just take the best card. Would be super fun.
At first read I was a little skeptical, but the more I think of it the more I love this idea. It would almost be like a fantasy football draft auction, but with OOTP cards, so you can either slowly build your team as you go or you can pick a few big cards early but then you'd only be able to pick low rated cards later. It's kinda crazy but I love it.
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Old 04-29-2025, 01:21 PM   #7
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I agree on Brute Force. I just fill the 2 instants and 4 dailies when I log in. Maybe hitting it 2-3 times/week for some points and a pack or two. Saving my few winners to External Roster. All my Rosters AI generated.

Don't have more attention span.

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Old 04-29-2025, 07:50 PM   #8
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They should just bring back the live cards only tournaments...combats entering tournaments with combo's,and all the strategy in the world wont help!!
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Old 04-30-2025, 09:15 AM   #9
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They should just bring back the live cards only tournaments...combats entering tournaments with combo's,and all the strategy in the world wont help!!
You mean apart from the 11 tournaments already present?
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Old 04-30-2025, 08:57 PM   #10
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You mean apart from the 11 tournaments already present?
I meant quicks by level(iron, bronze, silver, etc)...not dailies.
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Old 05-02-2025, 04:35 PM   #11
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Old 05-04-2025, 07:35 PM   #12
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re; randomness

i've done 99% exclusive iron tourneys, and it shows me as having 21 tourney wins. one of those is the 0 variant daily late iron (I also came in 3rd/4th on a second one, and I also got bounced in the first round in another, three in the last week -- it fills too quickly).

the other 20 are from the 16 team tourneys.

i can see 115 on my "your tournaments" list (it only shows the last week?), with 11 of those being winners. this is with zero variant cards ever used in any of 'em.

for the drafts;

i have a mix of 16 person speed drafts and regular drafts, i can see 47 on my week history of which 3 are winners (though i have 9 draft wins in total -- seemingly I've gotten worse at picking drafts). one of my recent wins was with the legendary "Butts Waggner" at 3rd base.

... well, rly it's almost entirely random. just make sure you have enough pitchers and enough position players, 2 catchers, a workable depth chart, etc.

can't expect very detailed simulations with how fast it's cranking them, right?

ever notice how after the all star break in the league play, the metrics all shift in order to try to normalize the stats? there's always some godawful amount of teams that just drop off after doing very well in the first half. probably the same type of stat integrity occurs in drafts and tourneys. actual bodies are far more important than the card ratings

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Old 05-08-2025, 07:34 PM   #13
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Variants ruined tournaments, plain and simple. Im with you that I run iron/bronze tournaments exclusively. The same 60 or so teams run the same tournaments over and over again, The winners of these tournaments, 90% of the time, have some level in the number of variants they are running. Yes, every now and then, a blind squirrel finds a nut, and wins a tournament but when the odds are stacked against you, why play?
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Old 05-13-2025, 06:03 PM   #14
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Variants ruined tournaments, plain and simple. Im with you that I run iron/bronze tournaments exclusively. The same 60 or so teams run the same tournaments over and over again, The winners of these tournaments, 90% of the time, have some level in the number of variants they are running. Yes, every now and then, a blind squirrel finds a nut, and wins a tournament but when the odds are stacked against you, why play?
Something to piddle with.

My win rate in the Iron tourneys where (many) teams are running variants is (well) over 6.25% (9.57% from those 115 I mentioned) vs. the drafts where it was barely above the 6.25% you'd expect w/ complete randomness.

The empty teams or incredibly malformed teams are far more common in drafts than the 16 man tourneys, though. I'm guessing I'm below "replacement" rate in the drafts if you take that into consideration. Laugh.

It was much nicer without the variant cards, yes. The bigger issue for me though is that it's almost entirely random.

The AI doesn't even seem to obey the sliders, like hook starting pitcher, reliever, etc. I can override and set it as far right as possible and it'll still pull my starter before he's wasted. It only seems to factor in how many relievers you have available that aren't tired in deciding how long to leave your starter in. It's almost like these sliders have no impact whatsoever & are just there to make people feel they're doing something different, right? The strategy of the slider sliding etc etc.

Not like any true feedback is given as to why you lost 4 games to 0 to what may appear to be an inferior team (who knows if it is truly inferior? nobody knows!), or why Butts Wagner is such a dominant third baseman in your 2nd place Draft Weekly tourney, lol (it wasn't first! maybe Butts Wagner is the reason).
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Old 05-15-2025, 10:38 AM   #15
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Butts is a Beast.
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Old 05-16-2025, 09:41 AM   #16
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Something to piddle with.

My win rate in the Iron tourneys where (many) teams are running variants is (well) over 6.25% (9.57% from those 115 I mentioned) vs. the drafts where it was barely above the 6.25% you'd expect w/ complete randomness.

The empty teams or incredibly malformed teams are far more common in drafts than the 16 man tourneys, though. I'm guessing I'm below "replacement" rate in the drafts if you take that into consideration. Laugh.

It was much nicer without the variant cards, yes. The bigger issue for me though is that it's almost entirely random.

The AI doesn't even seem to obey the sliders, like hook starting pitcher, reliever, etc. I can override and set it as far right as possible and it'll still pull my starter before he's wasted. It only seems to factor in how many relievers you have available that aren't tired in deciding how long to leave your starter in. It's almost like these sliders have no impact whatsoever & are just there to make people feel they're doing something different, right? The strategy of the slider sliding etc etc.

Not like any true feedback is given as to why you lost 4 games to 0 to what may appear to be an inferior team (who knows if it is truly inferior? nobody knows!), or why Butts Wagner is such a dominant third baseman in your 2nd place Draft Weekly tourney, lol (it wasn't first! maybe Butts Wagner is the reason).
Agreed there is no rhyme or reason to anything in tournaments. The RNG f*&k's you on a daily basis. Yet we come back for more.lol. Yesterday, I entered 12 tournaments. Won 5 of them made it to the semi's in 2 others. Today, same team, run out in the first round in 7 straight tournaments. Just makes no sense..
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Old 05-16-2025, 09:54 AM   #17
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over large samples, the better teams always win out. would you like it if the better team won every time? then you'd be complaining about the "whales" and how it was impossible to win

i am the highest win percentage in my silver quicks data but there will be days i won't win a single one. just how it goes
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Old 05-16-2025, 10:06 AM   #18
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It's the age-old baseball Fact #1; "There's more variables you can't control in a single game than those you can". That's why a baseball campaign plays so many games to even things out.

Thus; a tournament, by definition, is a short series of games - no where near a 154 or 162 games schedule. The net result is going to be a lot of variation in results. Add to that the reality that most rosters are VERY similar, and it's really just a crap-shoot.
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Old 05-16-2025, 11:07 AM   #19
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the last 2% of PT win/loss is like every RPG in existence ie a game of inches.
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Old 05-17-2025, 10:21 PM   #20
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Butts is a Beast.
He does seem to provide some intangibles that simply can't be conveyed via statistics

Would I have been able to best this "Daily Historical Primetime" team led by mikezone13 without Butts Wagner? Most likely not!
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