1996 "Peak" Brady Anderson Not Importing Properly Into 2024

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Hello

Tonight, on-stream, I imported 8 different years of Brady Anderson (1992-1999) into a league of teams & players that are MLB average and completely identical.

The 1996 Anderson, in particular, was nerfed. That was the year he hit 50 HR, hit .297 and had a 1.034 OPS.

But in EDITOR I could see that his profile would only hit .255, 30 HR, and .839 OPS in 2024. It is NOT an era-based difference for HR because 1994 and 2024 have very similary HR rates according to BRef (1.09 vs 1.12)

The overall POWER rating was 460. When I entered in his 1996 stat line, the calculate POWER rating was 531.

Is this an importing issue or a database issue? Will it impact other players from 1996 or is it limited to Brady Anderson?

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by FranchiseTimeMachine

Hello

Tonight, on-stream, I imported 8 different years of Brady Anderson (1992-1999) into a league of teams & players that are MLB average and completely identical.

The 1996 Anderson, in particular, was nerfed. That was the year he hit 50 HR, hit .297 and had a 1.034 OPS.

But in EDITOR I could see that his profile would only hit .255, 30 HR, and .839 OPS in 2024. It is NOT an era-based difference for HR because 1994 and 2024 have very similary HR rates according to BRef (1.09 vs 1.12)

The overall POWER rating was 460. When I entered in his 1996 stat line, the calculate POWER rating was 531.

Is this an importing issue or a database issue? Will it impact other players from 1996 or is it limited to Brady Anderson?

Franchise you are a beta team member, you should be posting this in the beta forums not in OOTP 26 general

[Brad K]

Since the game has been released to the public, isn't the need for a sooper sekrit insiders only error reporting channel over? Developers, your policy doesn't look good for transparency.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Since the game has been released to the public, isn't the need for a sooper sekrit insiders only error reporting channel over? Developers, your policy doesn't look good for transparency.

There are tracking tickets. When OOTPD sees an issue on the board, it becomes a ticket for tracking and action. Beta folks can also create tickets. That's all, Brad. Things posted in the bug thread (which is a better place than General Discussions), get translated into tickets for tracking. For example, if I think I found a bug, I don't double post here and then pretend I found my post and then make a ticket. I just make a ticket.

It's not a conspiracy. It's a tracking mechanic so things don't get lost.

[LansdowneSt]

To the OP, it may be that the game brings the player in on a 3-year recalc based on those numbers. You can't set 1/3/5 from the player importer. Also, not sure who else is in the league and if the projections are scaling to that talent level.

[Matt Arnold]

What were the general historical league settings?

I believe at the moment, the import player dialog defaults to the same settings as the league uses, so if the league is set for using 3-year values, that seems to be what it's likely pulling in. We can look to add that as an option you can use in the dialog to specify it individually per import.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

There are tracking tickets. When OOTPD sees an issue on the board, it becomes a ticket for tracking and action. Beta folks can also create tickets. That's all, Brad. Things posted in the bug thread (which is a better place than General Discussions), get translated into tickets for tracking. For example, if I think I found a bug, I don't double post here and then pretend I found my post and then make a ticket. I just make a ticket.

It's not a conspiracy. It's a tracking mechanic so things don't get lost.

Ah, OK. So the OP should have posted to the public bugs thread not the hidden testers thread. Got it.

Thanks for the insight.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

What were the general historical league settings?

I believe at the moment, the import player dialog defaults to the same settings as the league uses, so if the league is set for using 3-year values, that seems to be what it's likely pulling in. We can look to add that as an option you can use in the dialog to specify it individually per import.

Please also look at the minor league database capabilities of the individual historical import process.

From my tests, it doesn't seem like the minor league database stats are being recognized even if the minor leagues are "on" in the historical save.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Please also look at the minor league database capabilities of the individual historical import process.



From my tests, it doesn't seem like the minor league database stats are being recognized even if the minor leagues are "on" in the historical save.

If a player has enough major league data to pull from, we will ignore the minors values from the period in question. But otherwise it will build a profile from them.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If a player has enough major league data to pull from, we will ignore the minors values from the period in question. But otherwise it will build a profile from them.

Andy Abad is a good test to use. 21 major league plate appearances, 5,858 minor league plate appearances.

No matter what year you import him (manually, from the free agent screen), you get nearly the exact same result with some very slight differences if a season where he had a cup of coffee would be included. Also, if I look at his "Real Stats" tab...no minor league stats are included. The historical league I am importing him into includes real minor leagues. These results are pretty obviously of a player that has no actual stats being used for rating creation.

(I am going to run another test and create the initial league in 1996 next to see if results are any different when Abad is included in the initial player pool as a minor leaguer)

FYI, to tie into the OP. I did test importing 1996 Anderson with a league that was 1-Year recalc based and he had a significantly higher power rating than the OP screenshot. I can't remember exactly, but it was around 515 internally.

[Rain King]

Same results with my 1996 real minor league test. The initial player import looks good, the player imported via the manual action from the player list does not seem to be incorporating any minor league stats.

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

What were the general historical league settings?

I believe at the moment, the import player dialog defaults to the same settings as the league uses, so if the league is set for using 3-year values, that seems to be what it's likely pulling in. We can look to add that as an option you can use in the dialog to specify it individually per import.

Thank you for the suggestion, Matt, but that was also brought up during the stream and we confirmed that I had it set for 1-year recalc. (screenshot attached)

Also, it's my understanding that the recalc doesn't occur until AFTER the initial season. If that is correct, all of this occurred during the initial season so we believed recalc wouldn't be the cause, anyway.

We looked at his other season profiles (again, 1992-1999 imported into 2024) and they looked reasonable for those season stats. It's just 1996 that looked so off, primarily because it was his single unicorn season.

[twins_34]

I also imported Brady without recalc and got the very same numbers as FTM. A player that hit 50 homeruns but in the editor shows his ratings would only allow him to hit 26 homeruns but then I input his stats from 1996 and copy that to his potential and current numbers and he goes from a 480 power guy to a 531 power guy. From a 60 overall to a 75 overall and from current stat line showing 55 homeruns over 28 home runs. Now, when I imported Bonds and other power hitters, they came in fine, but 1996 Brady comes in well under what his BBRef numbers show.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by twins_34

I also imported Brady without recalc and got the very same numbers as FTM. A player that hit 50 homeruns but in the editor shows his ratings would only allow him to hit 26 homeruns but then I input his stats from 1996 and copy that to his potential and current numbers and he goes from a 480 power guy to a 531 power guy. From a 60 overall to a 75 overall and from current stat line showing 55 homeruns over 28 home runs. Now, when I imported Bonds and other power hitters, they came in fine, but 1996 Brady comes in well under what his BBRef numbers show.

Yeah, but this implies that every person importing a player in a given year wants the one-year recalc version of that player. The "fine" of other players is because their adjacent years are higher. This isn't a new thing either.

Adding the recalc to the import window as Matt suggested is the way it ought to be if a change is made. Then you know the proper A/W settings to use too. Also, there are ranges for other things like fielding and stamina choices. It's always been odd that the straight-up 1/3/5 recalc choices were not on there.

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Yeah, but this implies that every person importing a player in a given year wants the one-year recalc version of that player. The "fine" of other players is because their adjacent years are higher. This isn't a new thing either.

Adding the recalc to the import window as Matt suggested is the way it ought to be if a change is made. Then you know the proper A/W settings to use too. Also, there are ranges for other things like fielding and stamina choices. It's always been odd that the straight-up 1/3/5 recalc choices were not on there.

But in this case (and I think in many use cases), I WANT the single-season profile, which is why I set it to 1-year recalc.

One of the major draws of OOTP is the statistical fidelity across all of baseball history - it seems odd to then force a melding with adjacent years when asking for a player from a specific year.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by FranchiseTimeMachine

But in this case (and I think in many use cases), I WANT the single-season profile, which is why I set it to 1-year recalc.

One of the major draws of OOTP is the statistical fidelity across all of baseball history - it seems odd to then force a melding with adjacent years when asking for a player from a specific year.

I know. That’s why having the 1/3/5 recalc choice on the importer is the best solution. If I have a game full of three-year recalc players I would not want a default if one year. I literally said it should be a drop down choice like the fielding and stamina. Not a forced choice of one default always.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Yeah, but this implies that every person importing a player in a given year wants the one-year recalc version of that player. The "fine" of other players is because their adjacent years are higher. This isn't a new thing either.

Adding the recalc to the import window as Matt suggested is the way it ought to be if a change is made. Then you know the proper A/W settings to use too. Also, there are ranges for other things like fielding and stamina choices. It's always been odd that the straight-up 1/3/5 recalc choices were not on there.

Yeah, I guess when the game asks me for a specific year to import the player from, I assume that I am getting that player's ratings based off their stats from that specific year, otherwise it is silly to ask for a specific year if it is going to 3 year recalc the stats and make the player something he was not in that specific year. I guess that is how I look at this. If I am importing a player from a specific yeah I want his ratings based on that years stats. Is that not how it is done?

[LansdowneSt]

I've imported a ton of players including for "greatest all-time team" scenarios and I import every year of every player (more or less) and pick the version I want. It's not always the peak single year. That told me it was defaulting to a three-year (though I always wondered if the current year was double-weighted).

Not everyone wants how it is and not everyone wants one-year recalc player imports. Matt nailed it. Just put the 1/3/5 choice there like the other relevant choices.

[Rain King]

This is what I'm getting when importing 1996 Brady Anderson.

So, I'm not sure why the results for others are different. I created this league as 2024 Replay Mode, 1-Year Recalc.

In the screenshots above that show a 1-Year recalc, is that how the game was initially created? Have you hit that "Recalculate Ratings" button if you have changed values on that page?

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Originally Posted by Rain King

This is what I'm getting when importing 1996 Brady Anderson.

So, I'm not sure why the results for others are different. I created this league as 2024 Replay Mode, 1-Year Recalc.

In the screenshots above that show a 1-Year recalc, is that how the game was initially created? Have you hit that "Recalculate Ratings" button if you have changed values on that page?

Yes it was created in a 1-year recalc mode. Yes we tried "recalculate ratings" and they remained the same (at least we confirmed overall POWER remained 460 instead of the 530-ish it apparently should be)