Established save just started crashing

luckymann · 12-08-2024, 02:21 AM

Hi guys, I am in the 12th season of a 25 save and all was working AOK until today, after I rolled over into the 1911-12 offseason. Now, anytime I try to advance the game, it crashes.

I have uploaded the game files to my Google Drive HERE.

No idea how you're supposed to upload the crash report from Apple, sorry. Have attached a screenshot of the very top of the report.

I am on a 2023 16GB mac mini using Sonoma 14.7.1.
It is v25 bought standalone from FastSpring
Only seems to be this save and as I said it just started doing it after the offseason rollover
Crashes anytime I try and advance a day.

Obviously very keen to get this sorted ASAP thanks.

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luckymann · 12-11-2024, 05:26 PM

Anyone looking into this for me?

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Matt Arnold · 12-12-2024, 05:48 AM

We cannot directly seem to reproduce the issues here, but we have seen issues where data errors can lead to a corruption. If you look in your universe at Patrick Bohannon and William Clayton, they are set as "OF". I would suggest trying to change them to be LF, for example, and seeing if that lets you continue.

luckymann · 12-12-2024, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We cannot directly seem to reproduce the issues here, but we have seen issues where data errors can lead to a corruption. If you look in your universe at Patrick Bohannon and William Clayton, they are set as "OF". I would suggest trying to change them to be LF, for example, and seeing if that lets you continue.

Appreciate you coming back to me, Matt.

Sadly, no dice. Changed both of them and tried to advance - same deal. Any more players with similar issues you can see?

FYI this save is using Lans and Garlon's modded DB. Might that have something to do with it?

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luckymann · 12-12-2024, 06:11 AM

I see there's a few guys who have their pos set to DH. If this is a non-DH save might that be this issue?

EDIT I just changed them all and no fix.

luckymann · 12-12-2024, 04:44 PM

I have manually entered contracts for various players along the way. Could it perhaps be an errant keystroke on my part causing this issue?

LansdowneSt · 12-12-2024, 08:24 PM

Are you Steam or Fast Spring? Is it the Day 1 version or the updated one where we fixed the negative values that slipped into some of the cells? Is it still our ballpark eras file when you play that save (I imagine since that is one piece of data an individual save cannot repoint to and isn't safely tucked in the stats file, it is vulnerable to being not aligned). Is the editor showing the same place the db is currently located or did it reset somehow? Just brainstorming here...

luckymann · 12-12-2024, 08:29 PM

Hey bud.

Fast Spring.

Still the original one but as you might remember it was me who pointed out those neg vals and they hadn't caused problems with advancing or the like.

Not using the eras BP file as far as I know. Different structure in place to the historical.

DB is still in place and showing as such in the historical tab.

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LansdowneSt · 12-12-2024, 11:33 PM

This must be a build 100 issue with minors. I don't play with real minors and it has been fine but I was working with thehef on an issue where I had to be in 1916 with minors on (all default settings in default mode) and I could get through the season but twice crashed trying to get to the next one and then once I got to play 1917, it crash again twice trying to get to 1918.... just faded away between the HOF results and Preseason. Didn't even remember me in the "Continue Game". Had to reload a saved fime from the Load option. I'm going to make a ticket

luckymann · 12-12-2024, 11:36 PM

Right, that makes some sense. If I go and reinstall build 98 will that allow me to remove 100? Or am I stuck with the newer one if I have installed it?

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LansdowneSt · 12-12-2024, 11:47 PM

No, should be able to reinstall 98 atop 100. The install file cares and knows not, it just does its overwrite thing as needed like any update be it an update forward or back.

It may be there too for all I know. I don't play with minors. But if you were fine with 98, worth a shot.

luckymann · 12-12-2024, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

No, should be able to reinstall 98 atop 100. The install file cares and knows not, it just does its overwrite thing as needed like any update be it an update forward or back.

It may be there too for all I know. I don't play with minors. But if you were fine with 98, worth a shot.

OK I just reinstalled 98 and it is now my current version. Sadly, the crashing persists. So it might be a problem introduced in 98 because I'm fairly sure that build also became available during the 1910 season in this save, meaning this is the first offseason since either came into being.

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LansdowneSt · 12-13-2024, 12:11 AM

My crash was one of those, just fades crashes. I was trying to advance multiple days. Always in offseason. Began in 1916 Opening Day. Made to WS fine. 3 times it crashed from 1916's end to 1917's preseason. Then I made it to 1917. Woo Hoo! Saved. Simmed 1917. Tried to get to 1918. Same thing. Restored my 1917 Opening Day point. Simmed through end of WS. Fine. Went to HOF announcement. Fine. Tried to go to Preseason start in 1918. Fade to crash.

I made ticket and loaded mine to mediafire for Matt to look at.

luckymann · 12-13-2024, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

My crash was one of those, just fades crashes. I was trying to advance multiple days. Always in offseason. Began in 1916 Opening Day. Made to WS fine. 3 times it crashed from 1916's end to 1917's preseason. Then I made it to 1917. Woo Hoo! Saved. Simmed 1917. Tried to get to 1918. Same thing. Restored my 1917 Opening Day point. Simmed through end of WS. Fine. Went to HOF announcement. Fine. Tried to go to Preseason start in 1918. Fade to crash.

I made ticket and loaded mine to mediafire for Matt to look at.

I somehow got mine to advance into the offseason after the 1911 season but that's where I now remain stuck. Hopefully yours will help inform mine.

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LansdowneSt · 12-13-2024, 12:17 AM

I assume no difference between simming a week or two and going day by day? Mine crashed during the sims forward

luckymann · 12-13-2024, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I assume no difference between simming a week or two and going day by day? Mine crashed during the sims forward

Hopefully we will find out one way or another soon enough.

luckymann · 12-13-2024, 05:54 AM

Thought some more on this, it can't be a minors bug as my Red Sox save is using them with TOUCH WOOD no such issues.

Back to the drawing-board.

Matt Arnold · 12-13-2024, 07:08 AM

It may not necessarily be related to minors only. The issue we've seen that we will look to correct tends to happen with some older games, it sets some players to a position of OF, and that causes issues in other places which doesn't like that data. So changing the position of those players that I noticed when I loaded up the file I feel should have fixed this issue, if it is the same one. It's possible there are other players (if the version uploaded is not completely identical to the working copy, if you restored from a backup or played through other days or something).

luckymann · 12-13-2024, 05:26 PM

Matt, I can't remember which version of my save I sent you but I have uploaded the one from the day immediately before the offseason transition HERE. Hope that helps.

Thanks

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NovaNation19 · 12-14-2024, 09:27 AM

Chiming in here as I am having a similar issue - in my case, the game does a hard crash when the main league at the top of my pyramid tries to advance to the offseason. What's interesting is that the other three major leagues in my world don't crash, for whatever reason their offseasons start one day earlier but the game handles that fine. It's just the main league, and the biggest difference is that the main league is historical and the others aren't. Given that the others in this thread are having issues and the years indicate a historical league, wondering if it's all related to the same issue.

I created a separate ticket (#24363) for the team to look at for more details. I put WBL-14Dec24.zip on the FTP server in case that helps investigate.

12-08-2024, 02:21 AM	#1
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	Established save just started crashing Hi guys, I am in the 12th season of a 25 save and all was working AOK until today, after I rolled over into the 1911-12 offseason. Now, anytime I try to advance the game, it crashes. I have uploaded the game files to my Google Drive HERE. No idea how you're supposed to upload the crash report from Apple, sorry. Have attached a screenshot of the very top of the report. I am on a 2023 16GB mac mini using Sonoma 14.7.1. It is v25 bought standalone from FastSpring Only seems to be this save and as I said it just started doing it after the offseason rollover Crashes anytime I try and advance a day. Obviously very keen to get this sorted ASAP thanks. G Attached Images __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

12-12-2024, 06:11 AM	#5
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	I see there's a few guys who have their pos set to DH. If this is a non-DH save might that be this issue? EDIT I just changed them all and no fix. __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA Last edited by luckymann; 12-12-2024 at 06:14 AM.

12-12-2024, 04:44 PM	#6
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	I have manually entered contracts for various players along the way. Could it perhaps be an errant keystroke on my part causing this issue? __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

12-12-2024, 08:24 PM	#7
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,156	Are you Steam or Fast Spring? Is it the Day 1 version or the updated one where we fixed the negative values that slipped into some of the cells? Is it still our ballpark eras file when you play that save (I imagine since that is one piece of data an individual save cannot repoint to and isn't safely tucked in the stats file, it is vulnerable to being not aligned). Is the editor showing the same place the db is currently located or did it reset somehow? Just brainstorming here... __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

12-12-2024, 08:29 PM	#8
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	Hey bud. Fast Spring. Still the original one but as you might remember it was me who pointed out those neg vals and they hadn't caused problems with advancing or the like. Not using the eras BP file as far as I know. Different structure in place to the historical. DB is still in place and showing as such in the historical tab. G __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

12-11-2024, 05:26 PM	#2
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	Anyone looking into this for me? G __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

12-12-2024, 05:48 AM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,704	We cannot directly seem to reproduce the issues here, but we have seen issues where data errors can lead to a corruption. If you look in your universe at Patrick Bohannon and William Clayton, they are set as "OF". I would suggest trying to change them to be LF, for example, and seeing if that lets you continue.

12-12-2024, 11:33 PM	#9
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,156	This must be a build 100 issue with minors. I don't play with real minors and it has been fine but I was working with thehef on an issue where I had to be in 1916 with minors on (all default settings in default mode) and I could get through the season but twice crashed trying to get to the next one and then once I got to play 1917, it crash again twice trying to get to 1918.... just faded away between the HOF results and Preseason. Didn't even remember me in the "Continue Game". Had to reload a saved fime from the Load option. I'm going to make a ticket __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

12-12-2024, 11:36 PM	#10
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	Right, that makes some sense. If I go and reinstall build 98 will that allow me to remove 100? Or am I stuck with the newer one if I have installed it? G __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

12-12-2024, 11:47 PM	#11
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,156	No, should be able to reinstall 98 atop 100. The install file cares and knows not, it just does its overwrite thing as needed like any update be it an update forward or back. It may be there too for all I know. I don't play with minors. But if you were fine with 98, worth a shot. __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

12-13-2024, 12:11 AM	#13
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,156	My crash was one of those, just fades crashes. I was trying to advance multiple days. Always in offseason. Began in 1916 Opening Day. Made to WS fine. 3 times it crashed from 1916's end to 1917's preseason. Then I made it to 1917. Woo Hoo! Saved. Simmed 1917. Tried to get to 1918. Same thing. Restored my 1917 Opening Day point. Simmed through end of WS. Fine. Went to HOF announcement. Fine. Tried to go to Preseason start in 1918. Fade to crash. I made ticket and loaded mine to mediafire for Matt to look at. __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

12-13-2024, 12:17 AM	#15
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,156	I assume no difference between simming a week or two and going day by day? Mine crashed during the sims forward __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

12-13-2024, 05:54 AM	#17
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	Thought some more on this, it can't be a minors bug as my Red Sox save is using them with TOUCH WOOD no such issues. Back to the drawing-board. __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

12-13-2024, 07:08 AM	#18
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,704	It may not necessarily be related to minors only. The issue we've seen that we will look to correct tends to happen with some older games, it sets some players to a position of OF, and that causes issues in other places which doesn't like that data. So changing the position of those players that I noticed when I loaded up the file I feel should have fixed this issue, if it is the same one. It's possible there are other players (if the version uploaded is not completely identical to the working copy, if you restored from a backup or played through other days or something).

12-13-2024, 05:26 PM	#19
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,001	Matt, I can't remember which version of my save I sent you but I have uploaded the one from the day immediately before the offseason transition HERE. Hope that helps. Thanks G __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

12-14-2024, 09:27 AM	#20
NovaNation19 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 151	Chiming in here as I am having a similar issue - in my case, the game does a hard crash when the main league at the top of my pyramid tries to advance to the offseason. What's interesting is that the other three major leagues in my world don't crash, for whatever reason their offseasons start one day earlier but the game handles that fine. It's just the main league, and the biggest difference is that the main league is historical and the others aren't. Given that the others in this thread are having issues and the years indicate a historical league, wondering if it's all related to the same issue. I created a separate ticket (#24363) for the team to look at for more details. I put WBL-14Dec24.zip on the FTP server in case that helps investigate.