FA willing to open up talk again

Thunder · 08-23-2024, 06:02 AM

FA wants $25M a year, you offer $20M. He doesn't accept it and you move on.

Some weeks later, said player hasn't gotten what he wants, so he is willing to talk. You make your $20M offer again and he thinks on it. Then he tells you it's not enough.

You know what happens next. A bidding war ensues and now he's asking for MORE than the $25M he started with.

For me, this saps away any fun the FA process has. It's nonsense. When a player comes to you, hat in hand, he should pretty much insta-sign if you stick to the previous offer he wants to hear again.

Bobfather · 08-23-2024, 11:14 AM

So a player used you to get more money from another team. Happens all the time in real life

dawg1isclear · 08-23-2024, 01:31 PM

I am thinking the opposite here...I think it adds to the enjoyment of the game, what are the player's personality ratings?

Thunder · 08-24-2024, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobfather

So a player used you to get more money from another team. Happens all the time in real life

Fair point. Bidding wars happen all the time. But when a guy comes back to you, just seems to me like it ought to be easier.

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Originally Posted by dawg1isclear

I am thinking the opposite here...I think it adds to the enjoyment of the game, what are the player's personality ratings?

I've forgotten who it was by now, but I'll keep an eye out for that next time it happens.

Thanks for the replies.

Pelican · 08-24-2024, 09:39 AM

I have seen this - and have been a victim used to manipulate/renew negotiations with other teams, who sign the guy for more money. I'm sure it happens all the time IRL, a crafty agent's trick; but it doesn't make me any happier as a GM.

One thing I do, with some apparent success (more anecdotal than scientific), is to slightly vary my offer in response to the "can we renew". So that it goes down as something better than the original. Even if it's only a slight increase in the ASG bonus. The goal being the AI saying "gee, it's not the same". This seems to lead to continued back-and-forth, since I look interested and not stuck on a number.

I have also learned to check the master list of free agents - at the Offseason screen - that lists "interest" for each guy. Some have multiple teams supposedly interested in signing the guy. Some have me only. I gather this is meant to reflect rumors in the media, but it seems to be accurate. It gives you an idea whether you have competition to sign the guy, and who it is. In other words, he, or his agent, may be bluffing.

08-23-2024, 06:02 AM	#1
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,865	FA willing to open up talk again FA wants $25M a year, you offer $20M. He doesn't accept it and you move on. Some weeks later, said player hasn't gotten what he wants, so he is willing to talk. You make your $20M offer again and he thinks on it. Then he tells you it's not enough. You know what happens next. A bidding war ensues and now he's asking for MORE than the $25M he started with. For me, this saps away any fun the FA process has. It's nonsense. When a player comes to you, hat in hand, he should pretty much insta-sign if you stick to the previous offer he wants to hear again. __________________ I like Stats Mostly

08-23-2024, 11:14 AM	#2
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,827	So a player used you to get more money from another team. Happens all the time in real life __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

08-24-2024, 09:39 AM	#5
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 3,175	I have seen this - and have been a victim used to manipulate/renew negotiations with other teams, who sign the guy for more money. I'm sure it happens all the time IRL, a crafty agent's trick; but it doesn't make me any happier as a GM. One thing I do, with some apparent success (more anecdotal than scientific), is to slightly vary my offer in response to the "can we renew". So that it goes down as something better than the original. Even if it's only a slight increase in the ASG bonus. The goal being the AI saying "gee, it's not the same". This seems to lead to continued back-and-forth, since I look interested and not stuck on a number. I have also learned to check the master list of free agents - at the Offseason screen - that lists "interest" for each guy. Some have multiple teams supposedly interested in signing the guy. Some have me only. I gather this is meant to reflect rumors in the media, but it seems to be accurate. It gives you an idea whether you have competition to sign the guy, and who it is. In other words, he, or his agent, may be bluffing. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

08-23-2024, 01:31 PM	#3
dawg1isclear Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2024 Location: on a blue marble... Posts: 466	I am thinking the opposite here...I think it adds to the enjoyment of the game, what are the player's personality ratings?