Left/Right Splits

[besound]

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or not have a setting correct, but in OOTP25, the LEFT/RIGHT SPLITS are the same for every player, whether the player is facing a lefty or righty pitcher. I play in RANDOM DEBUT MODE under HISTORICAL GAMES.

[liberty-ca]

Can you post screenshots? I am playing Random Debut among some other saves and I don't have this problem and I've never heard about such problem from anyone before.

[besound]

Here is the bench LEFT/RIGHT SPLITS. As you can see, every batter hits the same against right and left-handed pitchers. And when you go into individual players, it's the same thing.

[Haiku]

I can clearly see that the splits of Daniel Vogelbach are not the same.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Haiku

I can clearly see that the splits of Daniel Vogelbach are not the same.

Is is possible that the difference with the others is so slight it is not detected by a scale using 5 point increments?

[Brad K]

Now before anyone goes to BBR to look at RL splits let me say that when OOTP calculated "Real" splits it barely matches what you see there. I don't know what they are doing. I intended to do a study of this but I am less inclined to do it now since rudel is being proven right and they are letting it spread.

In OOTP Willie Stargell is good enough to play against LHP yet real life it took him until late 60s before his lifetime BA against lefties reached .200. I also have Bill Mazeroski with great ratings against LHP in a year when he hit 40 points worse against lefties. And that year is double weighted on three year recalc.

[jbuchanan]

Hello,

I'm a long time player and I haven't seen this L/R issue til now.

In my league (started from a live start a couple weeks ago), it is 2031, and every new batter created by the engine that I look at has exactly equal L/R split ratings.

For example, Juan Aburto (fictional player, age 26 in 2031, drafted in 2027 draft):
Contact: 57 L / 57 R
Gap: 69 L / 69 R
Power: 75 L / 75 R
Eye: 107 L / 107 R
Avoid K's: 48 L / 48 R

Every. single. batter. is like this.

Is there some setting that I'm not aware of that I accidentally toggled off?

Is this a known issue?

It is kind of game breaking because it is no fun managing a team when the players have no differences in splits. May as well just put in your lefty hitter against lefties.

It doesn't seem to affect players who are already present at game start, only new players created by the engine.

Pitchers also seem to have the issue but not nearly to the same extent. Often they have an exact match but often they are off by 2-5 points which makes it at least slightly interesting.

Thank you

[jbuchanan]

For example, here is a list of L/R splits for 40 players, the only filter is age < 25 and overall > 50 (to have it be good players and one primarily players created by the engine).

As you can see, all the ratings are the same for all players, which can't possibly be working as designed. The only player with more than one point difference between L/R is Brady Harris, who is 16 in 2024 and already exists at game start (which kind of proves the point).

https://imgur.com/SwNS080

[uruguru]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Now before anyone goes to BBR to look at RL splits let me say that when OOTP calculated "Real" splits it barely matches what you see there. I don't know what they are doing. I intended to do a study of this but I am less inclined to do it now since rudel is being proven right and they are letting it spread.

In OOTP Willie Stargell is good enough to play against LHP yet real life it took him until late 60s before his lifetime BA against lefties reached .200. I also have Bill Mazeroski with great ratings against LHP in a year when he hit 40 points worse against lefties. And that year is double weighted on three year recalc.

I would be shocked if the OOTP L/R splits were based on real data. More likely it's just an artificial L/R split designed to support the concept of platooning and other L/R related strategies in the game.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by uruguru

I would be shocked if the OOTP L/R splits were based on real data. More likely it's just an artificial L/R split designed to support the concept of platooning and other L/R related strategies in the game.

At one time the game had random splits (made up) and said so. What it has now is called real splits.

I don't expect the game to plug in real life data unadjusted. But the examples I gave are just plain wrong for something presented as real. Current wording is "import real splits" or something close to that that with a box to be checked for on and off.

Your comments about artificial splits designed to support the concept were correct several versions ago. I think there is some "realness" involved in the current splits because I haven't noticed switch hitters with their splits reversed or players with wide splits when in RL they really didn't care how the ball got to the plate. However the problems I noted earlier are indicative of an undeveloped feature that isn't close to what it's selection description says it is.

[Brad K]

PS. At one point in the 60s Harry Walker pulled Stargell for a pinch hitter. The pinch hitter was Jose Pagan. That's how bad Stargell was against LHP.

[22chill22]

I have the exact same problem with a fictional league (1902): all the players have the same ratings vs R and L.