Player Ratings Problem in OOTP3

Brian Knapp · 02-04-2002, 09:58 AM

I am starting a league using OOTP3 and put all of the players in the free agent pool and set all of the scouts to average. But for some reason whenever a player is drafted the ratings change for all of the players even though the scouts were set to average. Do the coaches have an effect on what the ratings appear to be? Does anyone have a clue why this is happening?

MamboRat · 02-04-2002, 10:47 AM

Brian:

When I was going thru my edited league and signing free agents, I noticed all of the free agents' numbers changed whenever I switched to a new signing team. That was when I hypothesized that this baby was taking into account the ballpark effects, essentially telling you how he would hit or pitch with half of his games in a particular stadium.

Killebrew · 02-04-2002, 10:51 AM

The reason you are seeing rating/talent changes is because the game treats each teams "Average" scouts as different "Average" scouts. Disabling the scouting feature will get you consistant and matching ratings (though not 100% accurate - the players real ratings are hidden).

Brian Knapp · 02-04-2002, 11:01 AM

Thanks guys. I already decided to disable the feature to try that out, so I guess I will leave it that way at least until the initial draft is over. It just makes everything too confusing when I have a website up with ratings that are constantly changing and people are trying to come up with a list of players they want. But I feel a lot better now to hear that they will be consistent now. Thanks again.

-Brian Knapp

Mets Man · 02-04-2002, 12:53 PM

"The reason you are seeing rating/talent changes is because the game treats each teams "Average" scouts as different "Average" scouts. Disabling the scouting feature will get you consistant and matching ratings (though not 100% accurate - the players real ratings are hidden)."
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Killebrew, I had the impression that disabling the scouting feature would give you the "actual 100% accurate" ratings everytime. OOTP1 or Markus can you clarify?

Steve Kuffrey · 02-04-2002, 12:58 PM

No, you can NEVER see the 100% accurate ratings of the players, that is part of the challenge of the game.

Mets Man · 02-04-2002, 01:18 PM

Actually I like the "hidden ratings" idea, I just thought disabling the scouting feature meant it would play out like a "replay sim" where all the ratings were solid 100% accurate.

How far off are the ratings? Does this mean that even with the scouting feature disabled, a 9 on HR ability might actually be a 7?

Do the talent ratings fall off as much too? So a guy with a "Good" rating can actually be "Poor"?

Mets Man · 02-04-2002, 01:32 PM

Oh ya, BTW, how accurate are the ratings when the scouting feature is disabled? Is it about as accurate as an average scout?

Killebrew · 02-04-2002, 01:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Mets Man:
Actually I like the "hidden ratings" idea, I just thought disabling the scouting feature meant it would play out like a "replay sim" where all the ratings were solid 100% accurate.

How far off are the ratings? Does this mean that even with the scouting feature disabled, a 9 on HR ability might actually be a 7?

Do the talent ratings fall off as much too? So a guy with a "Good" rating can actually be "Poor"?<hr></blockquote>

With the scouts off the actual ratings are hidden but I don't think they are as erratic as scouts can be (even the Brilliant scouts can be off by several talent grades). I think it would be closer to 1 talent/potential grade or one current ability number off, but that 1 grade and/or number can make a huge difference within the game, especially with the borderline players.

Killebrew · 02-04-2002, 01:39 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Mets Man:
Oh ya, BTW, how accurate are the ratings when the scouting feature is disabled? Is it about as accurate as an average scout?<hr></blockquote>

Average scouts are not very accurate at all - with scouts off the ratings are not 100% accurate, but more accurate than even Brilliant rated scouts.

Mets Man · 02-05-2002, 12:12 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Killebrew:


Average scouts are not very accurate at all - with scouts off the ratings are not 100% accurate, but more accurate than even Brilliant rated scouts.<hr></blockquote>

Killebrew, are you positive about that? With the scouts disabled, are the opinions of the player more accurate than even a "Brilliant scout"? Out of curiosity, how did you test this?

Is this how most people running internet leagues play?

Killebrew · 02-05-2002, 12:55 AM

I am fairly positive about that based on spring training tests I did and coach/scout tests a league mate of mine did after v3 was released. All the scouts can be wildly off, but the brilliant rated scouts are accurate more often than the poor rated scouts. When they are wrong they can be just as far off though, while the no scouts option will be consistant.

As for what most leagues use - not sure but of the dozen leagues I have been involved in, 1 had coach/scouts from the start, and another added them in season #2.

I Am The Game · 02-07-2002, 09:11 AM

Can you tell me how I set a No Scouts option?

Killebrew · 02-07-2002, 09:22 AM

[quote]Originally posted by I Am The Game:
Can you tell me how I set a No Scouts option?<hr></blockquote>

Just disable coaches/scouts from the league setup screen. If you are in a online league that uses coaches/scouts you won't be able to do this, but you can for your solo leagues if you so desire.

Shorty · 02-07-2002, 11:07 AM

icantwait

02-04-2002, 09:58 AM	#1
Brian Knapp Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6	Player Ratings Problem in OOTP3 I am starting a league using OOTP3 and put all of the players in the free agent pool and set all of the scouts to average. But for some reason whenever a player is drafted the ratings change for all of the players even though the scouts were set to average. Do the coaches have an effect on what the ratings appear to be? Does anyone have a clue why this is happening?

02-04-2002, 10:51 AM	#3
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	The reason you are seeing rating/talent changes is because the game treats each teams "Average" scouts as different "Average" scouts. Disabling the scouting feature will get you consistant and matching ratings (though not 100% accurate - the players real ratings are hidden). __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

02-04-2002, 12:58 PM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	No, you can NEVER see the 100% accurate ratings of the players, that is part of the challenge of the game. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

02-04-2002, 01:38 PM	#9
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	[quote]Originally posted by Mets Man: <strong>Actually I like the "hidden ratings" idea, I just thought disabling the scouting feature meant it would play out like a "replay sim" where all the ratings were solid 100% accurate. How far off are the ratings? Does this mean that even with the scouting feature disabled, a 9 on HR ability might actually be a 7? Do the talent ratings fall off as much too? So a guy with a "Good" rating can actually be "Poor"?</strong><hr></blockquote> With the scouts off the actual ratings are hidden but I don't think they are as erratic as scouts can be (even the Brilliant scouts can be off by several talent grades). I think it would be closer to 1 talent/potential grade or one current ability number off, but that 1 grade and/or number can make a huge difference within the game, especially with the borderline players. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

02-04-2002, 01:39 PM	#10
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	[quote]Originally posted by Mets Man: <strong>Oh ya, BTW, how accurate are the ratings when the scouting feature is disabled? Is it about as accurate as an average scout?</strong><hr></blockquote> Average scouts are not very accurate at all - with scouts off the ratings are not 100% accurate, but more accurate than even Brilliant rated scouts. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

02-04-2002, 10:47 AM	#2
MamboRat Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Portland OR Posts: 218	Brian: When I was going thru my edited league and signing free agents, I noticed all of the free agents' numbers changed whenever I switched to a new signing team. That was when I hypothesized that this baby was taking into account the ballpark effects, essentially telling you how he would hit or pitch with half of his games in a particular stadium. __________________ Ron Shearer Universal Baseball Association

02-04-2002, 11:01 AM	#4
Brian Knapp Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6	Thanks guys. I already decided to disable the feature to try that out, so I guess I will leave it that way at least until the initial draft is over. It just makes everything too confusing when I have a website up with ratings that are constantly changing and people are trying to come up with a list of players they want. But I feel a lot better now to hear that they will be consistent now. Thanks again. -Brian Knapp

02-04-2002, 12:53 PM	#5
Mets Man Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 336	"The reason you are seeing rating/talent changes is because the game treats each teams "Average" scouts as different "Average" scouts. Disabling the scouting feature will get you consistant and matching ratings (though not 100% accurate - the players real ratings are hidden)." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Killebrew, I had the impression that disabling the scouting feature would give you the "actual 100% accurate" ratings everytime. OOTP1 or Markus can you clarify?

02-04-2002, 01:18 PM	#7
Mets Man Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 336	Actually I like the "hidden ratings" idea, I just thought disabling the scouting feature meant it would play out like a "replay sim" where all the ratings were solid 100% accurate. How far off are the ratings? Does this mean that even with the scouting feature disabled, a 9 on HR ability might actually be a 7? Do the talent ratings fall off as much too? So a guy with a "Good" rating can actually be "Poor"?

02-04-2002, 01:32 PM	#8
Mets Man Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 336	Oh ya, BTW, how accurate are the ratings when the scouting feature is disabled? Is it about as accurate as an average scout?

02-05-2002, 12:12 AM	#11
Mets Man Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 336	[quote]Originally posted by Killebrew: <strong> Average scouts are not very accurate at all - with scouts off the ratings are not 100% accurate, but more accurate than even Brilliant rated scouts.</strong><hr></blockquote> Killebrew, are you positive about that? With the scouts disabled, are the opinions of the player more accurate than even a "Brilliant scout"? Out of curiosity, how did you test this? Is this how most people running internet leagues play?

02-05-2002, 12:55 AM	#12
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I am fairly positive about that based on spring training tests I did and coach/scout tests a league mate of mine did after v3 was released. All the scouts can be wildly off, but the brilliant rated scouts are accurate more often than the poor rated scouts. When they are wrong they can be just as far off though, while the no scouts option will be consistant. As for what most leagues use - not sure but of the dozen leagues I have been involved in, 1 had coach/scouts from the start, and another added them in season #2. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

02-07-2002, 09:11 AM	#13
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	Can you tell me how I set a No Scouts option?

02-07-2002, 09:22 AM	#14
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	[quote]Originally posted by I Am The Game: <strong>Can you tell me how I set a No Scouts option?</strong><hr></blockquote> Just disable coaches/scouts from the league setup screen. If you are in a online league that uses coaches/scouts you won't be able to do this, but you can for your solo leagues if you so desire. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

02-07-2002, 11:07 AM	#15
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	icantwait __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!