Oil Can Boyd League Revival

OCBLcommish · 05-20-2003, 10:03 PM

With a number of chips falling into the proper places, the Oil Can Boyd League (OCBL) is back!

There are several new twists to the league. You can check out our website at http://oilcanboyd.web1000.com/.

We need owners, General Managers and managers for the league.
This isn't your father's OOTP league as it has some very unique rules and catches and features. There is a partnership with the Independent Atlantic League as well as Franchise Players, an OffSeason/InSeason Simulator, 10/5 Players and a front office heirarchy.

Each team will have an owner, a general manager and a manager.
Members of the OCBL can not hold multiple jobs (i.e. GM and manager) unless on an interim basis.

The rosters are ridiculously up to date (including the Damon Minor to the Phillies trade and Bruce Chen with the Red Sox).

Please check out the OCBL and let us know if you're interested!

You can contact me on AIM at OCBLcommish, on ICQ at 163309791 or via e-mail at OilCanBoydOOTP@yahoo.com!

Our website, once again, is http://oilcanboyd.web1000.com/

OCBLcommish · 05-25-2003, 12:30 PM

A number of spots are still open, check us out in what may be the most realistic sim league out there...

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 03:17 PM

You claim that you have new twists and unique features.... that are awfully similar to the ones of Beta Baseball, if I must say.

Also, it is customary to ask a commissioner before e-mailing his league's members to join your league.

OCBLcommish · 05-25-2003, 07:50 PM

I will admit, some are similar to Beta Baseball. However, its in no means a rip off of Beta Baseball as I thought of the owner/gm/manager job some time ago (before I ever even heard of Beta Baseball) but it was put on the back burner due to a couple of reasons.

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 08:45 PM

Well the owner/gm/manager idea I had last Summer, that was a really long time ago. But I still think it's strange nonetheless, especially if you e-mail everyone in my league saying they should join yours. I'm not saying you ripped us off (though it's a definite possibility), just saying that your claim about it being unique and having new ideas just isn't true.

3-tier manager is not new.
Franchise players is definitely not new.
10/5 rule is similar to wahat many leagues have.

Again, I encourage you to bring new ideas to the table; except they have to be new for you to claim it

No hard feelings from me though.

OCBLcommish · 05-25-2003, 09:26 PM

regardless as to when you had the idea, i came up with the idea on my own. I'm sure others have come up with it too. I never claimed having franchise players is new or the 10/5 rule is new. But there are very few (if any) that combine having the following:

- An owner, GM and manager for each team
- Franchise players
- 10/5 Players
- A subleague (the Independent Atlantic League)
- An offseason/inseason off field simulator
- In depth waiver wire

Originally we were going to incorporate minor league options, however OOTP5 made that kinda moot.

And by all means LLN, feel free to join

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 10:39 PM

I am not questioning the fact that you came up with these ideas yourself - but the truth remains that these ideas are not new for most part.

My name wasn't on the to or cc people to whom you sent the e-mail about joining your list, but for some reason I got it, and a few guys forwarded it to me saying they were a bit outraged about it (especially my finances guy and GM - he wasn't too happy about it). For that reason alone I will suimply not consider your league as one I will join. Plus, the web1000 server seems to have gotten awfully slow recently.

couriers · 05-25-2003, 10:50 PM

Who really cares who came up with what idea first? Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Or something like that.

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 10:52 PM

I don't mind if he had the idea on his own or not. I don't care if he decides to copy me or not, as you said, it's supposed to be flattering or whatever. It's just him claiming that it's a brand new idea while he knows (he even mailed my entire league) that it's not true that bothers me. It's lying, basically.

couriers · 05-25-2003, 11:05 PM

Well I can't comment on the email because I haven't read it but his first post didn't say anything about having ideas that were new for the first time anywhere. Instead it claimed that the league itself had new twists as in new twist for this particular league. I guess if you are going to call him a liar out in the open based on the email then maybe you should post it so others can see for themselves.

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 11:09 PM

Well the part where he claims to have "very unique rules" surprizes me because they are very similar to mine. Also, the "new twists" one is bending the truth a lot imo.

The email basically said hefound your email on the Beta Baseball league, announced his league saying it was very similar to Baseball. How it can be very unique and similar at the same time, I don't know.

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 11:12 PM

I don't want this to become a flame war or to come through as a "Hey, you stole my idea!" kind of thing, but I was irritated by the e-mail thing.

couriers · 05-25-2003, 11:15 PM

If he has borrowed ideas that are similar to yours and then calls those ideas unique does not mean that he is claiming them for himself. Instead, he is complimenting the ideas on the fact that they are unique in regards to the many other leagues that are out there. I really think that you are reading way too much into this in a negative way and coming down on this guy a bit too hard. Again, he claims to have "several new twists to the league" and does not claim even once to have new twists that no other league has.

The email might be the only thing that you actually have a legitimate complaint about. However, if you didn't lose any members then there is nothing to be concerned about and that would just be a positive reinforcement of your league's strength. On the other hand, if you did lose members then maybe there is a problem that you need to look at that doesn't rest with this guy but with your league instead.

You have bit into this guy in another thread where you have admitted to having a bad day. If that is the underlying reason for your hard feelings then maybe it might be best to let it go until tomorrow and then see where it all stands.

Nirvana91 · 05-25-2003, 11:16 PM

Jesus Christ.

Can't we all just get along?

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 11:20 PM

I didn't lose any members from the e-mail, it's just a question of principles. I wouldn't do that to anyone else without their consent, and I think it wasn,t such a good idea to do that. People from my league thought I was a bit too conservative when I emailed him back saying that it was customary to ask for the commissioner's permission.

As far as I know, unique means one of a kind. If it's been done before, albeit just once, it's not unique anymore. It can be different from most, it can be rare, it can be unusual or unconventional, but it's not unique nor new.

couriers · 05-25-2003, 11:26 PM

LLN,

As I have already stated, the email might have been a bit too much and for that he should at least apologize to you and exercise more caution in the future.

Unique does not solely mean one of a kind. Its definition includes anything that is rare or unusual. Your definition is way too limiting at that could be why you are seeing his statements as false and therefore seeing him as a liar. Calling someone a liar in a public forum is something that shouldn't be taken lightly and can be considered by many to be just as bad as him having emailed your league members. I see nothing that he has said as any type of claim to have invented or thought up anything original and therefore I do not see him as being a liar.

You should both kiss and make up already.

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 11:33 PM

It seems to me the most offended person here is you, by me.

I have checked the dictionary, and the 1st definition for unique is "being the only one". The second is "being without a like or equal". The third one is "unusual". I only had the ffirst two in mind and under these two definitions, his facts are actually wrong; however, because of the third definition, I'm going to take my words back saying he was a liar, but this is very misleading as my definition of unique was the first one.

couriers · 05-25-2003, 11:44 PM

I'm not offended by anything that you have said LLN. It just seemed that you were coming down a bit hard and I couldn't see why. Again, this is without respect to the email situation, which I have admitted is a legitimate complaint.

The point of posting a different definition of Unique was to show that the intention that someone has is not always the first or even the second definition listed in a dictionary and it doesn't have to be the definition that you choose to go by. There are multiple definitions for a reason and that is because words can mean so many different things. To limit their scope to the way you want to see them can cause hard feelings and even cause someone to look like a liar.

No hard feeling by me and hopefully you wont feel the need to hold any against me.

Long_Long_Name · 05-25-2003, 11:47 PM

Not at all, I think your position is greatly justified. I usually take that stance myself.

AngelinOF · 05-26-2003, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Also, it is customary to ask a commissioner before e-mailing his league's members to join your league.

First I have heard about this, it use to be fairly common for someone starting a new league to e-mail people from another league (I still occasionally get a few) and in some regards this can be the best way to get owners for a new league. Especially if you are a part of the league since you'd probably have a general idea of who the active owners were.

05-20-2003, 10:03 PM	#1
OCBLcommish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 193	Oil Can Boyd League Revival With a number of chips falling into the proper places, the Oil Can Boyd League (OCBL) is back! There are several new twists to the league. You can check out our website at http://oilcanboyd.web1000.com/. We need owners, General Managers and managers for the league. This isn't your father's OOTP league as it has some very unique rules and catches and features. There is a partnership with the Independent Atlantic League as well as Franchise Players, an OffSeason/InSeason Simulator, 10/5 Players and a front office heirarchy. Each team will have an owner, a general manager and a manager. Members of the OCBL can not hold multiple jobs (i.e. GM and manager) unless on an interim basis. The rosters are ridiculously up to date (including the Damon Minor to the Phillies trade and Bruce Chen with the Red Sox). Please check out the OCBL and let us know if you're interested! You can contact me on AIM at OCBLcommish, on ICQ at 163309791 or via e-mail at OilCanBoydOOTP@yahoo.com! Our website, once again, is http://oilcanboyd.web1000.com/ __________________ EBM - Boston Red Sox

05-25-2003, 12:30 PM	#2
OCBLcommish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 193	A number of spots are still open, check us out in what may be the most realistic sim league out there... __________________ EBM - Boston Red Sox

05-25-2003, 03:17 PM	#3
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	You claim that you have new twists and unique features.... that are awfully similar to the ones of Beta Baseball, if I must say. Also, it is customary to ask a commissioner before e-mailing his league's members to join your league. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 07:50 PM	#4
OCBLcommish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 193	I will admit, some are similar to Beta Baseball. However, its in no means a rip off of Beta Baseball as I thought of the owner/gm/manager job some time ago (before I ever even heard of Beta Baseball) but it was put on the back burner due to a couple of reasons. __________________ EBM - Boston Red Sox

05-25-2003, 08:45 PM	#5
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Well the owner/gm/manager idea I had last Summer, that was a really long time ago. But I still think it's strange nonetheless, especially if you e-mail everyone in my league saying they should join yours. I'm not saying you ripped us off (though it's a definite possibility), just saying that your claim about it being unique and having new ideas just isn't true. 3-tier manager is not new. Franchise players is definitely not new. 10/5 rule is similar to wahat many leagues have. Again, I encourage you to bring new ideas to the table; except they have to be new for you to claim it No hard feelings from me though. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 09:26 PM	#6
OCBLcommish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 193	regardless as to when you had the idea, i came up with the idea on my own. I'm sure others have come up with it too. I never claimed having franchise players is new or the 10/5 rule is new. But there are very few (if any) that combine having the following: - An owner, GM and manager for each team - Franchise players - 10/5 Players - A subleague (the Independent Atlantic League) - An offseason/inseason off field simulator - In depth waiver wire Originally we were going to incorporate minor league options, however OOTP5 made that kinda moot. And by all means LLN, feel free to join __________________ EBM - Boston Red Sox

05-25-2003, 10:39 PM	#7
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I am not questioning the fact that you came up with these ideas yourself - but the truth remains that these ideas are not new for most part. My name wasn't on the to or cc people to whom you sent the e-mail about joining your list, but for some reason I got it, and a few guys forwarded it to me saying they were a bit outraged about it (especially my finances guy and GM - he wasn't too happy about it). For that reason alone I will suimply not consider your league as one I will join. Plus, the web1000 server seems to have gotten awfully slow recently. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 10:50 PM	#8
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	Who really cares who came up with what idea first? Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Or something like that.

05-25-2003, 10:52 PM	#9
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I don't mind if he had the idea on his own or not. I don't care if he decides to copy me or not, as you said, it's supposed to be flattering or whatever. It's just him claiming that it's a brand new idea while he knows (he even mailed my entire league) that it's not true that bothers me. It's lying, basically. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 11:05 PM	#10
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	Well I can't comment on the email because I haven't read it but his first post didn't say anything about having ideas that were new for the first time anywhere. Instead it claimed that the league itself had new twists as in new twist for this particular league. I guess if you are going to call him a liar out in the open based on the email then maybe you should post it so others can see for themselves.

05-25-2003, 11:09 PM	#11
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Well the part where he claims to have "very unique rules" surprizes me because they are very similar to mine. Also, the "new twists" one is bending the truth a lot imo. The email basically said hefound your email on the Beta Baseball league, announced his league saying it was very similar to Baseball. How it can be very unique and similar at the same time, I don't know. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 11:12 PM	#12
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I don't want this to become a flame war or to come through as a "Hey, you stole my idea!" kind of thing, but I was irritated by the e-mail thing. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 11:15 PM	#13
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	If he has borrowed ideas that are similar to yours and then calls those ideas unique does not mean that he is claiming them for himself. Instead, he is complimenting the ideas on the fact that they are unique in regards to the many other leagues that are out there. I really think that you are reading way too much into this in a negative way and coming down on this guy a bit too hard. Again, he claims to have "several new twists to the league" and does not claim even once to have new twists that no other league has. The email might be the only thing that you actually have a legitimate complaint about. However, if you didn't lose any members then there is nothing to be concerned about and that would just be a positive reinforcement of your league's strength. On the other hand, if you did lose members then maybe there is a problem that you need to look at that doesn't rest with this guy but with your league instead. You have bit into this guy in another thread where you have admitted to having a bad day. If that is the underlying reason for your hard feelings then maybe it might be best to let it go until tomorrow and then see where it all stands.

05-25-2003, 11:16 PM	#14
Nirvana91 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 162	Jesus Christ. Can't we all just get along?

05-25-2003, 11:20 PM	#15
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I didn't lose any members from the e-mail, it's just a question of principles. I wouldn't do that to anyone else without their consent, and I think it wasn,t such a good idea to do that. People from my league thought I was a bit too conservative when I emailed him back saying that it was customary to ask for the commissioner's permission. As far as I know, unique means one of a kind. If it's been done before, albeit just once, it's not unique anymore. It can be different from most, it can be rare, it can be unusual or unconventional, but it's not unique nor new. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 11:26 PM	#16
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	LLN, As I have already stated, the email might have been a bit too much and for that he should at least apologize to you and exercise more caution in the future. Unique does not solely mean one of a kind. Its definition includes anything that is rare or unusual. Your definition is way too limiting at that could be why you are seeing his statements as false and therefore seeing him as a liar. Calling someone a liar in a public forum is something that shouldn't be taken lightly and can be considered by many to be just as bad as him having emailed your league members. I see nothing that he has said as any type of claim to have invented or thought up anything original and therefore I do not see him as being a liar. You should both kiss and make up already.

05-25-2003, 11:33 PM	#17
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	It seems to me the most offended person here is you, by me. I have checked the dictionary, and the 1st definition for unique is "being the only one". The second is "being without a like or equal". The third one is "unusual". I only had the ffirst two in mind and under these two definitions, his facts are actually wrong; however, because of the third definition, I'm going to take my words back saying he was a liar, but this is very misleading as my definition of unique was the first one. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-25-2003, 11:44 PM	#18
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	I'm not offended by anything that you have said LLN. It just seemed that you were coming down a bit hard and I couldn't see why. Again, this is without respect to the email situation, which I have admitted is a legitimate complaint. The point of posting a different definition of Unique was to show that the intention that someone has is not always the first or even the second definition listed in a dictionary and it doesn't have to be the definition that you choose to go by. There are multiple definitions for a reason and that is because words can mean so many different things. To limit their scope to the way you want to see them can cause hard feelings and even cause someone to look like a liar. No hard feeling by me and hopefully you wont feel the need to hold any against me.

05-25-2003, 11:47 PM	#19
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Not at all, I think your position is greatly justified. I usually take that stance myself. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!