Wildcards 84-78 team beat 83-79 in Championship Game

Bunktown Ballers · 10-08-2023, 07:15 PM

1 team in league was 114-48, 1 team was 104-58, 1 team was 100-62 and none of them will advance to next level. What's the point of anyone really trying?

dltalbert84 · 10-11-2023, 09:44 AM

In other news the top seed in the AL was eliminated last night and the #2 seed in the NL are on their last legs. Meanwhile, the top seed in the NL lost their home field advantage. This playoff system is a crap shoot at best.

rburgh · 10-11-2023, 10:27 AM

The number of 1-8 upsets in the first round of the Stanley Cup are well known. Several wild card teams in the NFL have made the Super Bowl, at least one has won it. The '60 Pirates beat the '60 Yankees despite being outscored by a bundle in the series.

A math professor friend of mine once decided to investigate this, and decided that all playoffs to date (early 1990's I think) in all sports were within the bounds of probability. For instance, a team that played .600 ball in the regular season wasn't much more than a 2:1 favorite over a .500 team in a 7 game series, and in shorter series it was even less.

We have hundreds of league playoffs every week, it would be odd indeed if the top seeds always won. Even if it's 100:1 for the bottom seed to win the ring, it should happen half a dozen times every Sunday.

The first computer game issued by Strat O Matic had a routine to shift the odds for hitters and pitchers in the latter parts of the season to push their season stats toward their real life numbers, and to push playoff results toward the real life results. Unfortunately for them, there were statisticians among their user base, and those guys raised hell. They removed those routines from all future versions of the game that I ever owned, without ever acknowledging that they had been there in the first place.

bailey · 10-11-2023, 06:35 PM

It's not just about losing to a lower seed; it's about losing by means of reverse sweeps. I would be easy to make this more likely in a computer game, just like home-field advantage is, somehow, programmed in.

Ty Cobb · 10-12-2023, 12:06 PM

Ask the 1960 Pirates. They've got an answer for you.

LeeD · 10-12-2023, 01:28 PM

1960 Game Seven, probably the greatest World Series game ever.

Kushiel · 10-13-2023, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

1 team in league was 114-48, 1 team was 104-58, 1 team was 100-62 and none of them will advance to next level. What's the point of anyone really trying?

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Originally Posted by bailey

It's not just about losing to a lower seed; it's about losing by means of reverse sweeps. I would be easy to make this more likely in a computer game, just like home-field advantage is, somehow, programmed in.

It happens much too often in PT despite what the apologists try to convince us of.

daves · 10-13-2023, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

1 team in league was 114-48, 1 team was 104-58, 1 team was 100-62 and none of them will advance to next level. What's the point of anyone really trying?

Are you talking PT or real-life baseball?

10-08-2023, 07:15 PM	#1
Bunktown Ballers All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,639 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Wildcards 84-78 team beat 83-79 in Championship Game 1 team in league was 114-48, 1 team was 104-58, 1 team was 100-62 and none of them will advance to next level. What's the point of anyone really trying?

10-11-2023, 10:27 AM	#3
rburgh All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,085	All playoffs are a crap shoot The number of 1-8 upsets in the first round of the Stanley Cup are well known. Several wild card teams in the NFL have made the Super Bowl, at least one has won it. The '60 Pirates beat the '60 Yankees despite being outscored by a bundle in the series. A math professor friend of mine once decided to investigate this, and decided that all playoffs to date (early 1990's I think) in all sports were within the bounds of probability. For instance, a team that played .600 ball in the regular season wasn't much more than a 2:1 favorite over a .500 team in a 7 game series, and in shorter series it was even less. We have hundreds of league playoffs every week, it would be odd indeed if the top seeds always won. Even if it's 100:1 for the bottom seed to win the ring, it should happen half a dozen times every Sunday. The first computer game issued by Strat O Matic had a routine to shift the odds for hitters and pitchers in the latter parts of the season to push their season stats toward their real life numbers, and to push playoff results toward the real life results. Unfortunately for them, there were statisticians among their user base, and those guys raised hell. They removed those routines from all future versions of the game that I ever owned, without ever acknowledging that they had been there in the first place.

10-12-2023, 12:06 PM	#5
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,623	Ask the 1960 Pirates. They've got an answer for you. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

10-11-2023, 09:44 AM	#2
dltalbert84 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 11	In other news the top seed in the AL was eliminated last night and the #2 seed in the NL are on their last legs. Meanwhile, the top seed in the NL lost their home field advantage. This playoff system is a crap shoot at best.

10-11-2023, 06:35 PM	#4
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,424	It's not just about losing to a lower seed; it's about losing by means of reverse sweeps. I would be easy to make this more likely in a computer game, just like home-field advantage is, somehow, programmed in.

10-12-2023, 01:28 PM	#6
LeeD All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 889	1960 Game Seven, probably the greatest World Series game ever.