Why so Many Non-MLBers?

matttb324 · 07-10-2023, 10:30 PM

Since I have been playing my historic league starting in 1901 the rosters have sometimes included guys who never made the majors. That always seemed to make sense in that in a different universe, guys who had AA or AAA talent might make the majors while borderline major leaguers might not. At least that is how I assumed it worked.

But now in 1921, it seems like a whole lot of guys who never made the majors are in the league - especially pitchers. I am wondering if there is some kind of error in the league set up or if that is normal. Maybe because pitching stats were so poor in those years? Case in point, my Washington franchise is in the first place and literally the entire rotation is made up of guys who did not make the MLB. In 1919 and 1920, a guy named Ralph Worrell won the Cy Young Award both years but he does not have an MLB record. There are certainly plenty of well-known names around the league but seems like a lot of guys who never made it.

I am playing 1921, 16 teams, I do not have minors on, color barrier is in place still, 25 man rosters...
Thanks in advance!

Brad K · 07-10-2023, 10:44 PM

" I do not have minors on"

If you don't have minors on how do you have minor league players?

matttb324 · 07-10-2023, 10:47 PM

Sorry, what I meant was guys who never made the actual real-life majors. They are in the majors in this league but my question was that it seems like a great number of players, especially pitchers, are players without an MLB record.

Brad K · 07-10-2023, 10:50 PM

How do you have players who never made it to MLB with minors off?

matttb324 · 07-10-2023, 10:53 PM

I don't know, that's basically my question

Brad K · 07-10-2023, 10:59 PM

Didn't check import and maintain full minor leagues but you have minor league only players. I sure don't know.

matttb324 · 07-11-2023, 12:42 AM

Sounds like it would help to have the minors turned on. Is there a way to do that now, even though they have been off?

LansdowneSt · 07-11-2023, 05:59 AM

Can you post a screenshot of Ralph Worrell’s player editor page? I assume the game was started before some of the more recent patches?

Marinersfan51 · 07-11-2023, 12:41 PM

In the case of Ralph Worrell, it appears that he was a highly regarded pitching prospect who died at 21 before he ever made the majors. If it is importing the minor league players then he may have came in with a high potential as his AA numbers as a 20 year old were quite good.

Brad K · 07-11-2023, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matttb324

Sounds like it would help to have the minors turned on. Is there a way to do that now, even though they have been off?

There's a function to delete everyone who never made it to the majors. I don't know if that means players who didn't make MLB real life or those who didn't in the save. Backup before you try it. I don't recall where it is.

matttb324 · 07-11-2023, 10:28 PM

Here is Worrell... I believe that is correct in that these guys are apparently real people who didn't make the majors.

Also, I think that option to not let people who didn't make the majors get to the league is only available if the minors are on.

Does anyone know where I can find the option to turn on the minors? I think that's probably the best way to go at this point.

LansdowneSt · 07-11-2023, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matttb324

Here is Worrell... I believe that is correct in that these guys are apparently real people who didn't make the majors.

Also, I think that option to not let people who didn't make the majors get to the league is only available if the minors are on.

Does anyone know where I can find the option to turn on the minors? I think that's probably the best way to go at this point.

That's the profile screen. On the far right of that header bar is "Editor". That screen please. Much obliged.

I want to see the Historical ID and if it is populated. I am seeing if it is the same issue as this one with the fake -88 ID. They have been expunged but old saves likely have them. The issue can be seen here: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=347355

I think as far as the game is concerned, he might be an MLB'er. Only MLB'ers should have the Historical ID populated. If it's blank, that's a tougher thing to figure out what happened.

matttb324 · 07-13-2023, 10:30 PM

Sure thing...

Just to be clear, there have been dozens of these guys between 1901 and 1921 in the league though. Right now the Washington team has a full rotation of guys who do not have careers when you go to "real life stats."

LansdowneSt · 07-14-2023, 10:11 AM

This guy doesn't have one of those false Historic IDs... so you must have toggled on real Minor Leagues. That's how MiLB players from real life come in the game as Brad K was initially noting. Now, if it's 1921, there are basically no minor leagues to model. I think Detroit gets the first one via the Texas League right about that time. If teams start to get their real-life affiliates as you advance that will confirm that you toggled on the real minor leagues (and its players).

In that case, people like this are just players the development engine took a shine to and developed. That's the game working as it should in your alt history. To only have an alt history with MLB players you'd have needed to not use real minors at set-up.

matttb324 · 07-14-2023, 10:34 PM

Okay that's good news then. That is what I was hoping and it kind of makes sense in my mind. As in, if you reran MLB history some of the AA and AAA talent would make it and some of the borderline major leaguers might not. I am still curious why 1921 has so many of these guys and why so many are pitchers. My theory was maybe that pitching stats were suddenly so bad that the AI benched more MLBers and gave the AAA guys a shot? But not sure if that really makes sense.

07-10-2023, 10:30 PM	#1
matttb324 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 325	Why so Many Non-MLBers? Since I have been playing my historic league starting in 1901 the rosters have sometimes included guys who never made the majors. That always seemed to make sense in that in a different universe, guys who had AA or AAA talent might make the majors while borderline major leaguers might not. At least that is how I assumed it worked. But now in 1921, it seems like a whole lot of guys who never made the majors are in the league - especially pitchers. I am wondering if there is some kind of error in the league set up or if that is normal. Maybe because pitching stats were so poor in those years? Case in point, my Washington franchise is in the first place and literally the entire rotation is made up of guys who did not make the MLB. In 1919 and 1920, a guy named Ralph Worrell won the Cy Young Award both years but he does not have an MLB record. There are certainly plenty of well-known names around the league but seems like a lot of guys who never made it. I am playing 1921, 16 teams, I do not have minors on, color barrier is in place still, 25 man rosters... Thanks in advance!

07-11-2023, 05:59 AM	#8
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,533	Can you post a screenshot of Ralph Worrell’s player editor page? I assume the game was started before some of the more recent patches? __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

07-14-2023, 10:11 AM	#14
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,533	This guy doesn't have one of those false Historic IDs... so you must have toggled on real Minor Leagues. That's how MiLB players from real life come in the game as Brad K was initially noting. Now, if it's 1921, there are basically no minor leagues to model. I think Detroit gets the first one via the Texas League right about that time. If teams start to get their real-life affiliates as you advance that will confirm that you toggled on the real minor leagues (and its players). In that case, people like this are just players the development engine took a shine to and developed. That's the game working as it should in your alt history. To only have an alt history with MLB players you'd have needed to not use real minors at set-up. __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

07-10-2023, 10:44 PM	#2
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	" I do not have minors on" If you don't have minors on how do you have minor league players?

07-10-2023, 10:47 PM	#3
matttb324 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 325	Sorry, what I meant was guys who never made the actual real-life majors. They are in the majors in this league but my question was that it seems like a great number of players, especially pitchers, are players without an MLB record.

07-10-2023, 10:50 PM	#4
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	How do you have players who never made it to MLB with minors off?

07-10-2023, 10:53 PM	#5
matttb324 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 325	I don't know, that's basically my question

07-10-2023, 10:59 PM	#6
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Didn't check import and maintain full minor leagues but you have minor league only players. I sure don't know.

07-11-2023, 12:42 AM	#7
matttb324 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 325	Sounds like it would help to have the minors turned on. Is there a way to do that now, even though they have been off?

07-11-2023, 12:41 PM	#9
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 777	In the case of Ralph Worrell, it appears that he was a highly regarded pitching prospect who died at 21 before he ever made the majors. If it is importing the minor league players then he may have came in with a high potential as his AA numbers as a 20 year old were quite good.

07-11-2023, 10:28 PM	#11
matttb324 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 325	Here is Worrell... I believe that is correct in that these guys are apparently real people who didn't make the majors. Also, I think that option to not let people who didn't make the majors get to the league is only available if the minors are on. Does anyone know where I can find the option to turn on the minors? I think that's probably the best way to go at this point.

07-13-2023, 10:30 PM	#13
matttb324 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 325	Sure thing... Just to be clear, there have been dozens of these guys between 1901 and 1921 in the league though. Right now the Washington team has a full rotation of guys who do not have careers when you go to "real life stats."

07-14-2023, 10:34 PM	#15
matttb324 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 325	Okay that's good news then. That is what I was hoping and it kind of makes sense in my mind. As in, if you reran MLB history some of the AA and AAA talent would make it and some of the borderline major leaguers might not. I am still curious why 1921 has so many of these guys and why so many are pitchers. My theory was maybe that pitching stats were suddenly so bad that the AI benched more MLBers and gave the AAA guys a shot? But not sure if that really makes sense.