Ask AI to set up complete organization lineups

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

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[Sweed]

I can only speculate...

You must be in commish mode? Otherwise you shouldn't be able to ask other teams to do anything, at least I can't in my game. With that in mind you're asking the game to run it's roster through the code "right now". So my speculation is, nothing is locked, you the user are asking/forcing the AI to setup the organization from scratch, and the code comes up with slightly different "answers" based on the conditions that are present "right now"?

I have no idea what time table the AI uses on a daily basis to "update it's roster setup". What makes sense to me is it goes through an organizational setup (or team by team, ie MLB and minors based on each team's opening day/schedule) on opening day, end of ST, or some other set time. After that it becomes more "read and react" to the daily grind of the season. Again, all speculation on my part.

As far as the AI running all teams? Or course it does. One only needs to read the "complete transaction" report on a daily basis to see the moves of all teams in the league. One can also run a transaction report for each team to see it's transactions from MBL to lowest minor league team. No, there isn't a report on lineup/rotation changes for each team. I'd think they stay pretty consistent and only change due to injury or changes in scouting reports, unless the user intervenes and asks the team to reevaluate a roster.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Paul Reuschel's Mustache

I'm still relatively new to this game, so apologies if this is something widely known, but I'm not understanding it.

I'm playing as GM/Manager for the Cubs. When I look at the organizational overview of other teams, such as for example, the Mets here, and click on "Ask AI to set up complete organization lineups etc.", the rosters get shuffled a bit. Even players who were designated for assignment are put back on the active roster or reassigned to the minors.

This happens with virtually all teams. When I ask the AI to set up the organization and lineups, things change.

Why is that? Isn't the AI already in charge of all non-human teams? And yes, I clicked on "Set all computer teams to allow AI roster changes" before starting the season.

If someone can explain this in simple terms, I'd very much appreciate it.

Long-standing flaw, and one that requires in reply no expansively discursive pseudo-analysis. You are correct- it is a very simple logical inconsistency if the AI that already manages a roster executes transactions or roster alterations when manually prompted that it would not have automatically performed in the same relevant management cycle (by the time of that dayÂ’s game, the end of the day, or whatever). As you probably suspect, there is no rational justification forthcoming.

[LansdowneSt]

It may be that "the AI" is a generic one-for-all-teams logic and the team is ordinarily being overseen by a GM and Manager that have personalities and preferences.

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

Originally Posted by Sweed

You must be in commish mode?

Yes, I switched to commissioner mode because the AI was making some questionable decisions as far as putting young players on waivers or even releasing them. I wanted to put a few of these players (who based on their ratings should never have been released) back on their team. I then noticed that if I click on "Ask AI to set up complete organization lineups etc", the AI reshuffled rosters and even removed players from waivers.

I did this with all of the other AI-controlled teams and more often than not, the same re-shuffling of rosters occurred. I just found it strange, because in both instances, it was the "AI" setting the rosters. But when I manually prompted it, the AI "corrected" its earlier decisions. Very strange.

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

It may be that "the AI" is a generic one-for-all-teams logic and the team is ordinarily being overseen by a GM and Manager that have personalities and preferences.

You may be right. But I would expect that the respective team's preferences are taken into account by the AI when I manually prompt it to set up the organizational rosters. There shouldn't be any disparity in AI decisions whether it's the AI managing rosters on its own or me manually prompting it to manage the rosters.

Originally Posted by jcard

Long-standing flaw ...

I can't imagine how difficult (impossible?) it must be for the OOTP developers to code the in-game AI to reflect human decision-making when it comes to managing rosters and finances. Obviously, they've done a tremendous job with seemingly limited resources. Maybe the new generally available AI technology will allow for an overhaul of the in-game AI logic.

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

Come to think of it, artificial Intelligence technology is growing at an exponential rate. That means it probably won't be long before OOTP developers are able to harness AI technology to improve the game, if they so desire.

We live in interesting times.

[Pelican]

I think you are dealing with two related but distinct functions. It is one thing to let the AI control the non-human teams day-to-day, meaning the teams you are not controlling. That goes for the GM role and managing games. But, when you also have the AI set up complete organizational lineups, this seems to trigger a different function. You are relinquishing control and asking for help. Most of us do this, because it is laborious to control an entire organization. Like you, I have found that the AI does some foolish things. And worst of all, undoes things I have just done.

A quick and dirty cure for the above is to use the player strategy settings to lock a player to a team, a position, and/or a spot in the lineup. A more tedious approach would be to set lineups for the minor league teams, through “daily lineups”. This should prevent DFA of player, and insure they get playing time. The lock prevents the AI from messing things up.

I’m not sure that constitutes a “rational justification” for what you are seeing. (It is not intended as such; only a possible explanation.). It may be “expansively discursive pseudo-analysis” in some eyes; but you can be the judge of that. To the extent that it is a flaw in the game, there is a somewhat-tedious work-around. If you post a support request with game files attached, that would prompt the developers to take a look at the problem.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Pelican

I’m not sure that constitutes a “rational justification” for what you are seeing. (It is not intended as such; only a possible explanation.). It may be “expansively discursive pseudo-analysis” in some eyes; but you can be the judge of that. To the extent that it is a flaw in the game, there is a somewhat-tedious work-around. If you post a support request with game files attached, that would prompt the developers to take a look at the problem.

Since you used my words out of context and beyond the specific issue they addressed:

Ostensibly, non-human teams are completely managed by the AI automatically. Manually running the AI on all organizations- the description of which states itÂ’s purpose as being to undo human changes (such as in Commissioner mode in terms of computer-controlled teams)- should not prompt transactions either additional or contrary to the automatic management.

Sometimes, the simple answer is the best; no need to grasp for an underlying coherence.

[andyhdz]

very good question. Sometimes the AI also cant' seem to make it's mind up and gives you different scenarios each time you press the button.