TotalMinors: What Would You Want In A Final Update

GForce22 · 05-13-2003, 08:12 PM

Hey guys,

I apologize for not updating anything the past couple of weeks. I've been real busy and trying to use my free time to actually play the game a little bit and stop working all the time. But I would like to see what else you guys would like to see in the set that isn't in there yet, you would like to see adjusted, or if you are all too deep into your seasons to make a difference now (which I got the feeling was how many people felt about the csv updates, they would have reset any talent/ratings changes in your league since it started).

I don't promise all of these will be implemented, but I want to get an idea for what is wanted out of a final TotalMinors for 2003. Fire away.

GH

couriers · 05-13-2003, 10:19 PM

First of all, are the Record Books & Career Leaders completely accurate? They appear to be but if not then that would be something to wrap up.

Secondly, the other Almanac information would really add to the realism of playing a MLB career in the sense of history. Past Champions would be the easiest to enter and the most important of them all but having the Past MVP, CY Young, ROTY and the Gold Glove award winners would be nice as well. These might be easier to incorporate using an already posted file that would include the information. Is it possible to add a Past Champions file to an already existing league or would the info need to be entered manually?

Thirdly, having an existing Hall of Fame would really be nice. Once again, for the sense of having a history upon starting a career. There are HOF files already out there so incorporating them if at all possible would be the easiest route to take.

Lastly, it would be nice if the origins were not so screwed up. I have made my position clear on this in the past so there shouldn’t be any need to rehash my reasons but it is worth noting that they should be fixed for the betterment of the roster set. The fix would only take a short period of time and should be rather easy in respect to all the hard work already put into the league. For clarification:

1. Origins should be in the City, State, Country format and not the opposite.

2. They should not be in all CAPs since nothing else in a player’s record is entered as such.

3. They should not be in excess of the maximum amount of letters allowed, thus creating boxes at the end instead of letters.

4. They do not need to be so specific. A country, as with the default origins, is better than a screwed up entry.

5. I am willing to make these changes if it will help.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck with it and I am really looking forward to seeing the end results.

Draft Dodger · 05-13-2003, 10:39 PM

G,

if I were to do a CSV export, correct the upper/lower case in the origins and stuff and then make a CSV file available - could people with existing leagues based on your roster import that CSV and have all that stuff corrected without having to restart the league?

GForce22 · 05-13-2003, 11:46 PM

Origins aren't in the csv file. That's the biggest problem. A find and replace would take care of a lot of things because you could do abbreviations. But until it's in the csv, it would be REALLY tedious and that's my dilemma. Fact is, with work and all, I'm kind of burned out. Productive work that truly betters the set or can be done quickly I have absolutely no problem doing. But going player by player and doing origins is just a pain to me. A CSV would also help because I do it when it gets slow at work in the evenings. I've e-mailed Markus several times about this with no response.

GH

Draft Dodger · 05-13-2003, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GForce22
I've e-mailed Markus several times about this with no response.

GH

hmmm....seems familiar.

mh2365 · 05-14-2003, 12:08 AM

I'd like to see a version where the Yankees are an old-overpaid team that has to rebuild right away ... oops you've already given me that ... thank you for making all my dreams come true hahahaha

JWay · 05-14-2003, 12:54 AM

fuller minor leagues that have the 1 star spects that just fill the place, I know its lame but I like them

Also lets give Gil Meche some credit finally!

Either way I can't wait until Markus decides to broaden the rating scale. IMO I believe that 1-20 for the basic ratings, and a 1-10 scale to replace the A-F scale in all areas. I know you can go over but I think the spread should be there.

(off-topic)
I hate having the 2-3 fastest guys get less Stolen Bases than Derek Jeter.... I know manager tendencies play a major role, but c'mon. Also for the Starting Pitcher Endurance side, up until now RJ could throw 9 Innings every 5 days. I know thats a little overdone but seriously lets expand the rating scale. PLEASE

(/offtopic)

yabanci · 05-14-2003, 03:24 AM

I would suggest toning down the 2003 amatuer draft pool a bit. It's great drafting the real players, but i found the talent pool on the whole to be rated way too high -- way too many excellent prospects in later rounds (in a 7 round draft) and too many advancing way too fast, with more than a handful starting in the majors right after being drafted -- way out of whack compared to the later computer generated draft pools. Maybe others have different experiences, but this is what I saw.

draven085 · 05-14-2003, 08:14 AM

The real major thing I would like to see updated are some of the defensive ratings. Most of them are pretty decent, but I've seen a few that I really think are WAY off...Dean Palmer as a C at 3b, Sosa with an A arm in RF, Billy Mueller as D at 3b, etc. I'm not sure exactly how these ratings are assigned, but I think they could use a little work.

I'm with JWay about seeing the ratings expanded. There are WAY too many A defenders in any given league, and the alpha coding doesn't really breakdown different levels of skill well enough.

kingcharlesxii · 05-14-2003, 12:18 PM

I'd like to see the position players with pitching roles fixed. It's not that big a deal really but it's weird seeing your 2B start in the minors when you already have five starting pitchers assigned to your minor league rotation.

GForce22 · 05-14-2003, 03:44 PM

the position guys with pitching roles should have been taken care of in the last update.

GH

Bears5122 · 05-14-2003, 06:37 PM

I love the set and don't think tweaking ratings or anything is needed as they change once you start playing for awhile. The only thing I would suggest is the history files. A lot of people really get into the history of the game and the more records/history in the file makes it more fun for me. Just a suggestion.

GForce22 · 05-14-2003, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bohica
I love the set. Just have noticed that the r/l splits for hitters and pitchers seem off. Maybe just editing them will make a difference. Also when i started my career using the roster set. Far too many veterans are still getting cut. I know this is a AI thing. I just hate it. Also fan support for TBY, and MON is to high. They should be around Floridas level. Just some thoughts. Also to help the post at the top of the page. Couriers all that you mentioned can be found and implemented rather easy.

the r/l splits for major leaguers are based on their real stats.

As for the vets getting cut, I was able to fix it somewhat, but the way to do that is to overvalue their ratings. The problem with doing that is that the age impact seems to happen in the middle of the season is that the guys whose ratings you bump up are GREAT in the start of the year. The whole thing stinks and one way or another you end up skewing results. I wish I could have done more to offset the problem within the game, but for anything I did there was a counter-effect.

Were you using the last version 4/29?

GH

Mainster2k2 · 05-19-2003, 05:36 AM

Dont know if anyone has posted this, but I noticed 2B Hairston for the DBacks has a 19 doubles rating, with a 43 versus rhp.

GForce22 · 05-19-2003, 03:23 PM

mainster, is that in the most recent set? Odd. It's like it loaded the raw number rather than converting it to a rating.

Keep it coming guys. I'll let this thread continue through this week and then start plugging on a final update. I have no timeline as time has gotten pretty short (all the writing for my fictional league in the dynasty forum is stuff I take care of when it's slow at work). My wife works mornings now, so I'm on baby patrol until she gets home and I go to work at night. I'm fortunate to have had the time I had to get the main set done, but I will do everything I can to get one last big update out there. I just can't promise a time. Admittedly, I would also like to just play the game a bit

GH

Erich Ingram · 05-19-2003, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by couriers

Secondly, the other Almanac information would really add to the realism of playing a MLB career in the sense of history. Past Champions would be the easiest to enter and the most important of them all but having the Past MVP, CY Young, ROTY and the Gold Glove award winners would be nice as well. These might be easier to incorporate using an already posted file that would include the information. Is it possible to add a Past Champions file to an already existing league or would the info need to be entered manually?

I know this has been completed already. I have been working with BigPhesta, DCHepler, MrAwesome and Legolas to get a lot of these files done as well as other things.

Adding Past Champions to an already existing file is easy to do, you just have to cut and paste in text files.

scoobz0202 · 05-19-2003, 10:52 PM

Juan Gonzalez(sp) and Carl Everett(sp) to actually hit the ball over the wall.

couriers · 05-19-2003, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Erich Ingram
I know this has been completed already. I have been working with BigPhesta, DCHepler, MrAwesome and Legolas to get a lot of these files done as well as other things.

Adding Past Champions to an already existing file is easy to do, you just have to cut and paste in text files.

I've been watching the progress on the almanac project and am really looking forward to seeing it completed. Hopefully everything is going well and nothing is giving you too much of a problem. The combination of the roster set with the almanac will be a work of art.

GForce22 · 06-02-2003, 04:32 PM

Hey guys,

It seems like the history project (which I included based on DCHepler's work, it's not something I had done on my own) is the big want here. I will be happy to re-release the set when those things are finished and include them as part of TotalMinors, whoever completes them (it seems like there's a team going on them).

Otherwise, there really seem to be very few revisions guys have. The numbers for major leaguers are all my ratings but adjusted for their real-life splits, so that's been part of the set for a while.

Defensive ratings were taken from the Stats scouting notebook. I'm certainly up for ratings suggestions, such as with Mueller. Unfortunately, what I had really intended on doing on the Web site was a forum for proposed ratings changes that guys could do themselves if not everyone agreed or guys just didn't want to start their seasons again.

I am going to take the couple of changes noted in this thread, comb the board for other changes guys suggested, look into them, and try to bang out one last quick update. The origins thing would be very time consuming, and it's time I just don't have right now. Markus never got back to me about origins being part of the CSV, which would have sped it up a lot (I could have done a lot of it at work that way and it would have been done already). Couriers has expressed interest in doing that, and he is welcome to if he wants. I certainly have no argument with it.

I'll also try to include a text file of where the 200 real amateurs I created really went in this week's draft so guys can, if they want, put them on the real teams.

No time line, but I'll start work on it this week. Like I said, it won't be a big update, just a touchup of whatever I can get done.

GH

Phillies1000 · 06-02-2003, 05:28 PM

I'm sorry if I'm misreading this, but are you still planning on doing some adjustments to financial resources for ball clubs? This is something I've been waiting for anxiously.

05-13-2003, 08:12 PM	#1
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	TotalMinors: What Would You Want In A Final Update Hey guys, I apologize for not updating anything the past couple of weeks. I've been real busy and trying to use my free time to actually play the game a little bit and stop working all the time. But I would like to see what else you guys would like to see in the set that isn't in there yet, you would like to see adjusted, or if you are all too deep into your seasons to make a difference now (which I got the feeling was how many people felt about the csv updates, they would have reset any talent/ratings changes in your league since it started). I don't promise all of these will be implemented, but I want to get an idea for what is wanted out of a final TotalMinors for 2003. Fire away. GH

05-13-2003, 10:39 PM	#3
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	G, if I were to do a CSV export, correct the upper/lower case in the origins and stuff and then make a CSV file available - could people with existing leagues based on your roster import that CSV and have all that stuff corrected without having to restart the league? __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

06-02-2003, 05:28 PM	#20
Phillies1000 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA (originally from NJ) Posts: 49	I'm sorry if I'm misreading this, but are you still planning on doing some adjustments to financial resources for ball clubs? This is something I've been waiting for anxiously. __________________ Phillies going all the way!

05-13-2003, 10:19 PM	#2
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	First of all, are the Record Books & Career Leaders completely accurate? They appear to be but if not then that would be something to wrap up. Secondly, the other Almanac information would really add to the realism of playing a MLB career in the sense of history. Past Champions would be the easiest to enter and the most important of them all but having the Past MVP, CY Young, ROTY and the Gold Glove award winners would be nice as well. These might be easier to incorporate using an already posted file that would include the information. Is it possible to add a Past Champions file to an already existing league or would the info need to be entered manually? Thirdly, having an existing Hall of Fame would really be nice. Once again, for the sense of having a history upon starting a career. There are HOF files already out there so incorporating them if at all possible would be the easiest route to take. Lastly, it would be nice if the origins were not so screwed up. I have made my position clear on this in the past so there shouldn’t be any need to rehash my reasons but it is worth noting that they should be fixed for the betterment of the roster set. The fix would only take a short period of time and should be rather easy in respect to all the hard work already put into the league. For clarification: 1. Origins should be in the City, State, Country format and not the opposite. 2. They should not be in all CAPs since nothing else in a player’s record is entered as such. 3. They should not be in excess of the maximum amount of letters allowed, thus creating boxes at the end instead of letters. 4. They do not need to be so specific. A country, as with the default origins, is better than a screwed up entry. 5. I am willing to make these changes if it will help. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with it and I am really looking forward to seeing the end results.

05-13-2003, 11:46 PM	#4
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	Origins aren't in the csv file. That's the biggest problem. A find and replace would take care of a lot of things because you could do abbreviations. But until it's in the csv, it would be REALLY tedious and that's my dilemma. Fact is, with work and all, I'm kind of burned out. Productive work that truly betters the set or can be done quickly I have absolutely no problem doing. But going player by player and doing origins is just a pain to me. A CSV would also help because I do it when it gets slow at work in the evenings. I've e-mailed Markus several times about this with no response. GH

05-14-2003, 12:08 AM	#6
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I'd like to see a version where the Yankees are an old-overpaid team that has to rebuild right away ... oops you've already given me that ... thank you for making all my dreams come true hahahaha

05-14-2003, 12:54 AM	#7
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	fuller minor leagues that have the 1 star spects that just fill the place, I know its lame but I like them Also lets give Gil Meche some credit finally! Either way I can't wait until Markus decides to broaden the rating scale. IMO I believe that 1-20 for the basic ratings, and a 1-10 scale to replace the A-F scale in all areas. I know you can go over but I think the spread should be there. (off-topic) I hate having the 2-3 fastest guys get less Stolen Bases than Derek Jeter.... I know manager tendencies play a major role, but c'mon. Also for the Starting Pitcher Endurance side, up until now RJ could throw 9 Innings every 5 days. I know thats a little overdone but seriously lets expand the rating scale. PLEASE (/offtopic)

05-14-2003, 03:24 AM	#8
yabanci Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 304	I would suggest toning down the 2003 amatuer draft pool a bit. It's great drafting the real players, but i found the talent pool on the whole to be rated way too high -- way too many excellent prospects in later rounds (in a 7 round draft) and too many advancing way too fast, with more than a handful starting in the majors right after being drafted -- way out of whack compared to the later computer generated draft pools. Maybe others have different experiences, but this is what I saw.

05-14-2003, 08:14 AM	#9
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	The real major thing I would like to see updated are some of the defensive ratings. Most of them are pretty decent, but I've seen a few that I really think are WAY off...Dean Palmer as a C at 3b, Sosa with an A arm in RF, Billy Mueller as D at 3b, etc. I'm not sure exactly how these ratings are assigned, but I think they could use a little work. I'm with JWay about seeing the ratings expanded. There are WAY too many A defenders in any given league, and the alpha coding doesn't really breakdown different levels of skill well enough.

05-14-2003, 12:18 PM	#10
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,731	I'd like to see the position players with pitching roles fixed. It's not that big a deal really but it's weird seeing your 2B start in the minors when you already have five starting pitchers assigned to your minor league rotation.

05-14-2003, 03:44 PM	#11
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	the position guys with pitching roles should have been taken care of in the last update. GH

05-14-2003, 06:37 PM	#12
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	I love the set and don't think tweaking ratings or anything is needed as they change once you start playing for awhile. The only thing I would suggest is the history files. A lot of people really get into the history of the game and the more records/history in the file makes it more fun for me. Just a suggestion.

05-19-2003, 05:36 AM	#14
Mainster2k2 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 7	Dont know if anyone has posted this, but I noticed 2B Hairston for the DBacks has a 19 doubles rating, with a 43 versus rhp.

05-19-2003, 03:23 PM	#15
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	mainster, is that in the most recent set? Odd. It's like it loaded the raw number rather than converting it to a rating. Keep it coming guys. I'll let this thread continue through this week and then start plugging on a final update. I have no timeline as time has gotten pretty short (all the writing for my fictional league in the dynasty forum is stuff I take care of when it's slow at work). My wife works mornings now, so I'm on baby patrol until she gets home and I go to work at night. I'm fortunate to have had the time I had to get the main set done, but I will do everything I can to get one last big update out there. I just can't promise a time. Admittedly, I would also like to just play the game a bit GH

05-19-2003, 10:52 PM	#17
scoobz0202 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Celina, Ohio Posts: 969	Juan Gonzalez(sp) and Carl Everett(sp) to actually hit the ball over the wall.

06-02-2003, 04:32 PM	#19
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	Hey guys, It seems like the history project (which I included based on DCHepler's work, it's not something I had done on my own) is the big want here. I will be happy to re-release the set when those things are finished and include them as part of TotalMinors, whoever completes them (it seems like there's a team going on them). Otherwise, there really seem to be very few revisions guys have. The numbers for major leaguers are all my ratings but adjusted for their real-life splits, so that's been part of the set for a while. Defensive ratings were taken from the Stats scouting notebook. I'm certainly up for ratings suggestions, such as with Mueller. Unfortunately, what I had really intended on doing on the Web site was a forum for proposed ratings changes that guys could do themselves if not everyone agreed or guys just didn't want to start their seasons again. I am going to take the couple of changes noted in this thread, comb the board for other changes guys suggested, look into them, and try to bang out one last quick update. The origins thing would be very time consuming, and it's time I just don't have right now. Markus never got back to me about origins being part of the CSV, which would have sped it up a lot (I could have done a lot of it at work that way and it would have been done already). Couriers has expressed interest in doing that, and he is welcome to if he wants. I certainly have no argument with it. I'll also try to include a text file of where the 200 real amateurs I created really went in this week's draft so guys can, if they want, put them on the real teams. No time line, but I'll start work on it this week. Like I said, it won't be a big update, just a touchup of whatever I can get done. GH