Where is the logic???

[JudP]

I've watched the videos from OOTP that explain the theory and the ratings.
(1) One video said that starters should have at least 4 pitches and that these guys will do better than pitchers with 2 or 3 pitches. Does that mean anything in reality? NO. Better teams with dynamite pitchers lose games to badly constructed teams with poor to mediocre pitchers. And this doesn't happen occasionally. In fact, if OOTP decides you cant win games this season it happens regularly.
(2) Hitters with contact over 100 cant hit while hitters with contact numbers in the 50's do.
(3) Teams win games with scores like 32-1. Come on... do you know how often that happens in baseball? Rarely if ever.
(4) The leagues and tournaments are predicated on only certain players being allowed to do well. Your tournament team can be constructed of well thought out pitchers and hitters that have high ratings and a multitude of talents, and they can be swept by teams with no pitching, no hitting and little defense. Is that really how the algorithm works???? I mean, sure good teams occasionally lose to bad teams, but this is crazy.
(5) Why play in tournaments when the reward for completing a difficult tournament costs a fortune compared to just buying the players? And why are some cards so rare that the prices for those players is ridiculously inflated. You won't catch me buying a pack of cards, The cost is not worth the contents.
I've given this game a few tries and even tried a league with some friends, but the fact is they quickly get bored of the inconsistencies.
Don't get me wrong... I don't mind losing to better teams at all or occasionally getting beat by a worse team. And the argument that this is only a game... well then get rid of the ratings and just call it potluck baseball. Currently you can have two teams in the same league with near identical players and the same player will behave 180 degrees differently on each team.
Come on... something is broken.

[Fabtron7]

These are some pretty broad stroke statements. Do you have any examples to show?

[bailey]

#1 - I think SP with more pitches will do better, but they does not mean that they are "lights out" better.

#2 - Bogus claim. Your 100+ contact hitters may underperform when most teams in the league are playing with similar cards.

#3 - So what? Some bright guy figured out that cards with high eye and high power would destroy opposing pitching staffs leading to these kinds of scores in game 3 or game 4 of a series. In past versions, earning 300K or 400K in achievement points in Rookie league was possible. My own anecdotal complaint is that when I win a game like this, the next game the only rested pitcher on the opposing staff will pitch a complete game shutout and win 1-0.

#4 - False, you're making things up. However, I do believe in iron you can be successful with many different cards at every position. You don't need Babe Ruth 58, or even Kingman to succeed. The key is volume. Spam tournaments all day long and you win your share if you have a reasonable team.

#5 - I can agree with this, but so what? Don't bother with difficult tournaments or with tournaments that require a 500K roster!! Why should every tournament be accessible to the masses? Players play because they enjoy figuring out the "meta", not because they expect a 100% return on PP invested. Same thing can be said for missions--they are too expensive for value received. So, I don't bother with them, but I do very much enjoy selling irons for 2K and up to the players that enjoy missions.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by JudP

Come on... something is broken.

The Dodgers won 111 regular season games this past year, a Dodgers record. They then lost in the NLDS to Padres, who only won 89 games, and really are an inferior team to the Dodgers in every imaginable way. And yet the Padres beat the Dodgers. And the question has to be asked: Where's the logic in that???????

It's just baseball, bro. You seem to be mad about losing to worse teams. It happens, just like in real life. Sometimes guys like Juan Soto hit .240 and a random nobody his .300 to never hit it again. It's just baseball, bro.

[JudP]

You are totally entitled to your opinion. I respect that. But I find that your statements are not true in my case at all.

First off I never said the pitchers were lights out better, but when a pitcher with 4 or 5 pitches, great control and pitch numbers in the 70 to 90 range is getting beat by a pitcher with 3 pitches, a low control rating pitches in the 60 to 70 rabge.... come on.... what algorithm allows that? And once your pitcher is deemed a loser that season, there's nothing you can do to reverse it. So your pitcher goes 5-15 despite changes to his game plan.

As for contact by 100 rating hitters.....when you first move up early on and you have one of the only 100 contact players you expect him to make a difference.... especially when he's not facing good pitchers and hitting from his strong side. Then you check the right/left stats and find out your hitter can't hit from his strong side./ What gives with that?

The fact that there are deemed "chosen" players rather than those with talent is nuts. And it's true because every player in the tournament ends up getting the same player. It's not exciting to see every team with the same players.

Over the last few years, there have been numerous players (Pete Rose, Ted Williams, Roberto Clemente, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, and the list goes on, that have been outhit by inferior hitters. Juan Gonzalez (who was notorious from one side of the plate) can't hit from his good side. Sandy Koufax is erratic at best. And how do pitchers continue to give up huge numbers of runs if you have their strategy set to pull them early? Its like the sliders are there for nothing.

Lastly, I have won my share of tournaments and plenty of cards. Why do some players never come out... or come out so rarely that completing missions is a joke. You can complete the missions for Sandy Koufax and pay 3 times the price to buy him.

Originally Posted by bailey

#1 - I think SP with more pitches will do better, but they does not mean that they are "lights out" better.

#2 - Bogus claim. Your 100+ contact hitters may underperform when most teams in the league are playing with similar cards.

#3 - So what? Some bright guy figured out that cards with high eye and high power would destroy opposing pitching staffs leading to these kinds of scores in game 3 or game 4 of a series. In past versions, earning 300K or 400K in achievement points in Rookie league was possible. My own anecdotal complaint is that when I win a game like this, the next game the only rested pitcher on the opposing staff will pitch a complete game shutout and win 1-0.

#4 - False, you're making things up. However, I do believe in iron you can be successful with many different cards at every position. You don't need Babe Ruth 58, or even Kingman to succeed. The key is volume. Spam tournaments all day long and you win your share if you have a reasonable team.

#5 - I can agree with this, but so what? Don't bother with difficult tournaments or with tournaments that require a 500K roster!! Why should every tournament be accessible to the masses? Players play because they enjoy figuring out the "meta", not because they expect a 100% return on PP invested. Same thing can be said for missions--they are too expensive for value received. So, I don't bother with them, but I do very much enjoy selling irons for 2K and up to the players that enjoy missions.

[HomerD]

Of the five teams who have won more than 110 games in the regular season, only one went on to win the World Series.



1906 Cubs - 116-36 Lost WS
2001 Mariners - 116-46 Lost ALCS
1998 Yankees - 114-48 - Won WS
1954 Indians - 111-43 - Lost WS
2022 Dodgers - 111-51 - Lost NLDS


Playoff baseball is a different animal.

[JudP]

Nobody would argue with that... but the fact is those good teams won that many games. They didn't go 70 and 92. Anything can happen in a short series with good pitching.

Originally Posted by HomerD

Of the five teams who have won more than 110 games in the regular season, only one went on to win the World Series.



1906 Cubs - 116-36 Lost WS
2001 Mariners - 116-46 Lost ALCS
1998 Yankees - 114-48 - Won WS
1954 Indians - 111-43 - Lost WS
2022 Dodgers - 111-51 - Lost NLDS


Playoff baseball is a different animal.

[HRBaker]

There is a reason baseball schedules run 154-162 games.

The game's balance is fragile. One pitch can turn the trajectory of a game on it's head. One hit can do the same, and one error can do it as well.

154+ games and 6 months is a solid foundation to tell the difference between good and bad. A ~15 game playoff run tells us only who was hot and who was cold during that stretch.

Playoff and Championship series are a terrible measurement of talent differences and SHOULD be seen only as entertainment. Personally, I think the "World Champions" label is absurd. Play those championship teams against each other 100 times and there likely wouldn't be more than 5 games difference between them.

[Ty Cobb]

Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell *bad*. Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly?

[petdawg]

The game is complete random garbage. I have posted all sort of proof in the past and they just delete the posts because they don't want to look bad. There is no reason to play this Perfect Team trash anymore. Good riddance to this crap. I will never but this game again, they have ruined it.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by petdawg

The game is complete random garbage. I have posted all sort of proof in the past and they just delete the posts because they don't want to look bad. There is no reason to play this Perfect Team trash anymore. Good riddance to this crap. I will never but this game again, they have ruined it.

How do you prove "random garbage"?

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by bailey

How do you prove "random garbage"?

We will never know because "the man" deletes the proof before we can see it!

[dishnet34]

Originally Posted by petdawg

The game is complete random garbage. I have posted all sort of proof in the past and they just delete the posts because they don't want to look bad. There is no reason to play this Perfect Team trash anymore. Good riddance to this crap. I will never but this game again, they have ruined it.

Bet. Post your "proof," and I'll see that the vague "they" you talk about doesn't "delete the posts."