Very disappointing decision

ehalt · 01-17-2023, 05:58 PM

I know I'm not alone in being very disappointed by the decision to not pay up for an [snipped]license but to instead delete data from saves players have poured hundreds of hours into. I'm also disappointed by how many threads discussing the issue have been locked. I'm starting this vent thread not to discuss workarounds (that will just get this one locked as well) but to hopefully give ammunition to whoever is arguing within the company to pay the extra however-much-it-costs to get the deal over the line.

The OOTP I know and love is a fantastically realistic simulation of the world of baseball. It can't be that if it doesn't include the second-best league in the world. Please do what you can to get our beloved game back to its former glory. At the very least, a statement saying that the intention is to have the licensing sorted out by the launch of OOTP24 would go a long way. Compensating the players whose saves were corrupted by the latest patch also seems like the sort of thing a decent company would do, and I've been disappointed not to see any mention of that.

Kobeck · 01-17-2023, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ehalt

I know I'm not alone in being very disappointed by the decision to not pay up for an [snipped]license but to instead delete data from saves players have poured hundreds of hours into. I'm also disappointed by how many threads discussing the issue have been locked. I'm starting this vent thread not to discuss workarounds (that will just get this one locked as well) but to hopefully give ammunition to whoever is arguing within the company to pay the extra however-much-it-costs to get the deal over the line.

The OOTP I know and love is a fantastically realistic simulation of the world of baseball. It can't be that if it doesn't include the second-best league in the world. Please do what you can to get our beloved game back to its former glory. At the very least, a statement saying that the intention is to have the licensing sorted out by the launch of OOTP24 would go a long way. Compensating the players whose saves were corrupted by the latest patch also seems like the sort of thing a decent company would do, and I've been disappointed not to see any mention of that.

agreed

RaUni · 01-17-2023, 06:47 PM

Web3 gaming will solve all this. Until then, we don't own any of our games/saves/contributions. It'll all be over for these types of practices soon.

4maddux_cy's · 01-17-2023, 06:58 PM

Original announcement said they would not change our current saves. Changing our OWN CUSTOMIZATIONS is BS. What we do on our copy does not violate any trademark infringements. I've bought the game for 13 years in a row but 23 will be my last until they assure us they will never again mess with our own work.

MikeS369 · 01-17-2023, 07:03 PM

I get the licensing issue and why OOTP removed the leagues. I'm not happy about it but I understand. But an update that screws up people's saves is messed up.

ajsomers · 01-17-2023, 07:04 PM

Not having the [league that can't be named] in new/future games I can totally understand. Retroactively deleting it from existing files seems like a really odd decision that I just can't explain.

MathBandit · 01-17-2023, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RaUni

Web3 gaming will solve all this. Until then, we don't own any of our games/saves/contributions. It'll all be over for these types of practices soon.

Yep. When I think of regulated above-board industries that always operate ethically and care about the money people put in, my first thought is Crypto.

gay_swimmer · 01-17-2023, 07:25 PM

Agree with all the above posters (except the crypto guy.) Altering my personal save data is heavy-handed and unjustifiable.

RaUni · 01-17-2023, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MathBandit

Yep. When I think of regulated above-board industries that always operate ethically and care about the money people put in, my first thought is Crypto.

Very ill informed. Most of the appeal of OOTP comes from the creator content and customization, and they don't make anything off of it at all. OOTP devs rehash the same clunker skeleton and added a gambling card game in recent years. Everything else is the community, which they have now abandoned.

MathBandit · 01-17-2023, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RaUni

Very ill informed. Most of the appeal of OOTP comes from the creator content and customization, and they don't make anything off of it at all. OOTP devs rehash the same clunker skeleton and added a gambling card game in recent years. Everything else is the community, which they have now abandoned.

I'm not the one promoting crypto platforms as the solution. But I'm extremely happy with the significant improvements I get from one version to the next. If I wasn't I wouldn't purchase anything beyond the first year.

Carplos · 01-17-2023, 07:49 PM

Since it seems to be randomizing based on names... does that mean if I'm playing completely fictional and the game happens to generate a real player name using the Japanese name database, the next time I start it will randomize it?

Don't know how likely that is to happen, but I'd have to imagine it does.

ehalt · 01-17-2023, 07:54 PM

Let's keep the discussion away from crypto shilling if possible, please. Start a new thread for that separate topic if you'd like.

Seems like the intentionally introducing a bug into existing save files is the bit that's understandably gotten people the most mad. I'm no gaming historian, but that has to be an almost unprecedented choice. I wonder why, when faced with the choice of deliberately corrupting their customers saves or simply paying up for a license, the decision-makers thought that this was the best course of action.

jokerhusky1129 · 01-17-2023, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ehalt

Let's keep the discussion away from crypto shilling if possible, please. Start a new thread for that separate topic if you'd like.

Seems like the intentionally introducing a bug into existing save files is the bit that's understandably gotten people the most mad. I'm no gaming historian, but that has to be an almost unprecedented choice. I wonder why, when faced with the choice of deliberately corrupting their customers saves or simply paying up for a license, the decision-makers thought that this was the best course of action.

The problem is, that league that can't be named, I believe has an exclusive license with Konami. Even if Com2 wants to buy a license, they may not be able to due to exclusivity.

ehalt · 01-17-2023, 08:11 PM

Then pay Konami enough to make it work. When your choices are 1) intentionally corrupt your customers' saves or 2) spend some money, just spend the money.

Kobeck · 01-17-2023, 08:14 PM

yep

jokerhusky1129 · 01-17-2023, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ehalt

Then pay Konami enough to make it work. When your choices are 1) intentionally corrupt your customers' saves or 2) spend some money, just spend the money.

I don't agree with how they did it. But they may not be able to pay Konami enough. Konami paid for an exclusive license. Exclusive means them and only them. They don't want the competition.

ajsomers · 01-17-2023, 08:15 PM

I'd like to see an explanation from someone with OOTP.

Removing the [league that shall not be named] moving forward, again, is totally understandable. The license is gone so it's not an option. While most are disappointed in that I think most understand it.

It's the retroactively changing existing games/files that has me stumped and disappointed.

RaUni · 01-17-2023, 08:21 PM

Shilled nothing. Didn't bring up crypto at all. Realize that web3 gaming is us owning our games/saves/whatever. This relates to this topic because in no way shape or form should OOTP have access to alter our save files in any way. I won't mention web 3 again since y'all clearly don't understand that and probably think you own the movies you buy on Amazon. But can we focus on how OOTP was able to alter our personal saves. How do they make that choice with us having no say in the matter. What if they decided to delete entire saves because they sold a product they didn't have the right to. So the customers pay. Not them. Zero communication all day? I like how someone states they "bugged" our saves, because that's more accurate then then accessing them, but it also seems like that brushes it off. They purposely damaged our product after purchase.

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Kobeck · 01-17-2023, 08:24 PM

not a fan of RaUni but fair points

jokerhusky1129 · 01-17-2023, 08:25 PM

I have to wonder though about an JPBPA license. Remember the old days of the NES and Sega Genesis, MLB never seemed to license games, but they had an MLBPA license so they had real players? I wonder if the JPBPA license is exclusive to Konami as well? We shall see.

01-17-2023, 05:58 PM	#1
ehalt Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 64	Very disappointing decision I know I'm not alone in being very disappointed by the decision to not pay up for an [snipped]license but to instead delete data from saves players have poured hundreds of hours into. I'm also disappointed by how many threads discussing the issue have been locked. I'm starting this vent thread not to discuss workarounds (that will just get this one locked as well) but to hopefully give ammunition to whoever is arguing within the company to pay the extra however-much-it-costs to get the deal over the line. The OOTP I know and love is a fantastically realistic simulation of the world of baseball. It can't be that if it doesn't include the second-best league in the world. Please do what you can to get our beloved game back to its former glory. At the very least, a statement saying that the intention is to have the licensing sorted out by the launch of OOTP24 would go a long way. Compensating the players whose saves were corrupted by the latest patch also seems like the sort of thing a decent company would do, and I've been disappointed not to see any mention of that. Last edited by CONN CHRIS; 01-17-2023 at 06:00 PM.

01-17-2023, 07:04 PM	#6
ajsomers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 72	Not having the [league that can't be named] in new/future games I can totally understand. Retroactively deleting it from existing files seems like a really odd decision that I just can't explain. Last edited by kq76; 01-17-2023 at 07:32 PM.

01-17-2023, 08:15 PM	#17
ajsomers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 72	I'd like to see an explanation from someone with OOTP. Removing the [league that shall not be named] moving forward, again, is totally understandable. The license is gone so it's not an option. While most are disappointed in that I think most understand it. It's the retroactively changing existing games/files that has me stumped and disappointed. Last edited by kq76; 01-18-2023 at 01:57 AM.

01-17-2023, 06:47 PM	#3
RaUni Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 234	Web3 gaming will solve all this. Until then, we don't own any of our games/saves/contributions. It'll all be over for these types of practices soon.

01-17-2023, 06:58 PM	#4
4maddux_cy's All Star Starter Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,189	Original announcement said they would not change our current saves. Changing our OWN CUSTOMIZATIONS is BS. What we do on our copy does not violate any trademark infringements. I've bought the game for 13 years in a row but 23 will be my last until they assure us they will never again mess with our own work.

01-17-2023, 07:03 PM	#5
MikeS369 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: USA Posts: 651	I get the licensing issue and why OOTP removed the leagues. I'm not happy about it but I understand. But an update that screws up people's saves is messed up.

01-17-2023, 07:25 PM	#8
gay_swimmer Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Prince Rupert, BC Posts: 11	Agree with all the above posters (except the crypto guy.) Altering my personal save data is heavy-handed and unjustifiable.

01-17-2023, 07:49 PM	#11
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,799 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Since it seems to be randomizing based on names... does that mean if I'm playing completely fictional and the game happens to generate a real player name using the Japanese name database, the next time I start it will randomize it? Don't know how likely that is to happen, but I'd have to imagine it does.

01-17-2023, 07:54 PM	#12
ehalt Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 64	Let's keep the discussion away from crypto shilling if possible, please. Start a new thread for that separate topic if you'd like. Seems like the intentionally introducing a bug into existing save files is the bit that's understandably gotten people the most mad. I'm no gaming historian, but that has to be an almost unprecedented choice. I wonder why, when faced with the choice of deliberately corrupting their customers saves or simply paying up for a license, the decision-makers thought that this was the best course of action.

01-17-2023, 08:11 PM	#14
ehalt Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 64	Then pay Konami enough to make it work. When your choices are 1) intentionally corrupt your customers' saves or 2) spend some money, just spend the money.

01-17-2023, 08:14 PM	#15
Kobeck Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 491	yep

01-17-2023, 08:21 PM	#18
RaUni Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 234	Shilled nothing. Didn't bring up crypto at all. Realize that web3 gaming is us owning our games/saves/whatever. This relates to this topic because in no way shape or form should OOTP have access to alter our save files in any way. I won't mention web 3 again since y'all clearly don't understand that and probably think you own the movies you buy on Amazon. But can we focus on how OOTP was able to alter our personal saves. How do they make that choice with us having no say in the matter. What if they decided to delete entire saves because they sold a product they didn't have the right to. So the customers pay. Not them. Zero communication all day? I like how someone states they "bugged" our saves, because that's more accurate then then accessing them, but it also seems like that brushes it off. They purposely damaged our product after purchase. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk

01-17-2023, 08:24 PM	#19
Kobeck Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 491	not a fan of RaUni but fair points

01-17-2023, 08:25 PM	#20
jokerhusky1129 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 456	I have to wonder though about an JPBPA license. Remember the old days of the NES and Sega Genesis, MLB never seemed to license games, but they had an MLBPA license so they had real players? I wonder if the JPBPA license is exclusive to Konami as well? We shall see.