Do coach/staff ratings improve over time?

[bigd51]

This is a multi-part question, but my main concern is the title.

I only ever hire the best rated coaches I can find and this severely limits my enjoyment of the current coaching system. IRL, coaches and other staff members don't have ratings for you to view before you decide to hire them (this isn't to say I don't like the fact that I can easily see their ratings, though, because I do).

I know coach/staff ratings never decline as they age, but I'm not sure about them improving. I would like to expand my search and I know I could always just hire whichever coach/staff member regardless of ratings, but I don't like the idea of intentionally hampering my farm system and player development if a poorly rated coach/staff member has zero chance of ever improving their ratings and I'll just end up firing them after two years anyway.

I also don't like the idea of just hiring the highest rated coach available because 1) it automatically eliminates hundreds of other coaches to choose from, 2) it makes the coaching system very boring and linear, and 3) I don't want to corner the market on the best coaches/staff members available.

So, for example, if I have a PC w/ a "Poor" Teach Pitching rating, is there ever a chance they could improve that rating over time?


Question #2

If I turn a retired player into a coach, is there any way to reverse this as if I never turned them into one?

I have a retired pitcher (Julio Teheran) that played 8 seasons for the Braves (my team). I wanted to turn him into a pitching coach for my DSL team, but when I chose the option to turn him into a coach, it generated him as a bench coach.

I know I can just delete him as a coach and that would only leave his player profile, but when I do, the option to turn him back into a coach is no longer available. So essentially, you can only turn a player into coach once using the standard method.

I also know I can just change his position designation from BC to PC and adjust his ratings accordingly, but I was hoping to use the generator to create his ratings. Basically, I only want to guarantee he's a pitching coach but live w/ whatever ratings he receives as-is.

Is there a way to edit the coaching database so that it looks like I never turned him into a coach to begin with and still have the option available to turn him into one? Or am I now stuck w/ him being generated as a bench coach?


Questions #3

How do you know when it's time to fire staff members?

I know their reputation levels are only based on team performance (overall record, batting average, ERA) but there's really no way to tell if the team's performance, whether good or bad, is due to coaching or the players. And, to my knowledge, there's also no way to tell how much of an effect a certain coach is having on the development of my players.

So when I find a coach/staff member w/ great ratings, is there ever any need to even consider replacing them, no matter how well the team performs?

[Pelican]

As to the first question, I believe the answer is yes. However, I am basing that on turning retired players into coaches (as you describe it in Question #2). That person essentially starts with low ratings. After some time as a coach, the ratings evolve. That makes me think that other established coaches will see their ratings evolve based on team and player performance on their watch; but I have never measured this.

As to #2, I have never tried to turn a player turned coach back into a player, and I don't see a screen or choice for that. As you suggest, it could be done as Commissioner through the Editor function, but then you lose the AI ratings evaluation.

As to #3, why would you even consider replacing a coach with great ratings, if the team performs well? Not sure I understand your scenario. In general, I would consider staff changes in two different situations. First, if a team flaw can be directly attributed to a particular coach, such as lousy pitching by decent players, or lousy hitting by decent players, I would consider finding a better candidate. Second, if the team is playing poorly overall, it's easier to fire a coach or coaches, than to fire the manager. Also, coaches can be reassigned. That might seem like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic; but sometimes changes can cause a spark.

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by bigd51

This is a multi-part question, but my main concern is the title.

I only ever hire the best rated coaches I can find and this severely limits my enjoyment of the current coaching system. IRL, coaches and other staff members don't have ratings for you to view before you decide to hire them (this isn't to say I don't like the fact that I can easily see their ratings, though, because I do).

I know coach/staff ratings never decline as they age, but I'm not sure about them improving. I would like to expand my search and I know I could always just hire whichever coach/staff member regardless of ratings, but I don't like the idea of intentionally hampering my farm system and player development if a poorly rated coach/staff member has zero chance of ever improving their ratings and I'll just end up firing them after two years anyway.

I also don't like the idea of just hiring the highest rated coach available because 1) it automatically eliminates hundreds of other coaches to choose from, 2) it makes the coaching system very boring and linear, and 3) I don't want to corner the market on the best coaches/staff members available.

So, for example, if I have a PC w/ a "Poor" Teach Pitching rating, is there ever a chance they could improve that rating over time?


Question #2

If I turn a retired player into a coach, is there any way to reverse this as if I never turned them into one?

I have a retired pitcher (Julio Teheran) that played 8 seasons for the Braves (my team). I wanted to turn him into a pitching coach for my DSL team, but when I chose the option to turn him into a coach, it generated him as a bench coach.

I know I can just delete him as a coach and that would only leave his player profile, but when I do, the option to turn him back into a coach is no longer available. So essentially, you can only turn a player into coach once using the standard method.

I also know I can just change his position designation from BC to PC and adjust his ratings accordingly, but I was hoping to use the generator to create his ratings. Basically, I only want to guarantee he's a pitching coach but live w/ whatever ratings he receives as-is.

Is there a way to edit the coaching database so that it looks like I never turned him into a coach to begin with and still have the option available to turn him into one? Or am I now stuck w/ him being generated as a bench coach?


Questions #3

How do you know when it's time to fire staff members?

I know their reputation levels are only based on team performance (overall record, batting average, ERA) but there's really no way to tell if the team's performance, whether good or bad, is due to coaching or the players. And, to my knowledge, there's also no way to tell how much of an effect a certain coach is having on the development of my players.

So when I find a coach/staff member w/ great ratings, is there ever any need to even consider replacing them, no matter how well the team performs?

Just run a report OVERTIME to show any rating changes for any player/coach etc. easy peasy....wait you can do that right?

[RaUni]

According to the manual they do improve over time. But they don't get worse. Can't remember the wording.

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[RaUni]

But for every other part of the game being so detailed and explained, the coaching never has been. I've never gotten an answer on what coaching ratings affect what jobs, etc. So they just might be brightly colored words in the game that don't truly do anything.

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[clamel]

Could this statement from some years back shed a light on this ongoing question. Do coaches improve ?

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...51&postcount=9

[Alex Murray]

Originally Posted by bigd51

This is a multi-part question, but my main concern is the title.

I only ever hire the best rated coaches I can find and this severely limits my enjoyment of the current coaching system. IRL, coaches and other staff members don't have ratings for you to view before you decide to hire them (this isn't to say I don't like the fact that I can easily see their ratings, though, because I do).

I know coach/staff ratings never decline as they age, but I'm not sure about them improving. I would like to expand my search and I know I could always just hire whichever coach/staff member regardless of ratings, but I don't like the idea of intentionally hampering my farm system and player development if a poorly rated coach/staff member has zero chance of ever improving their ratings and I'll just end up firing them after two years anyway.

I also don't like the idea of just hiring the highest rated coach available because 1) it automatically eliminates hundreds of other coaches to choose from, 2) it makes the coaching system very boring and linear, and 3) I don't want to corner the market on the best coaches/staff members available.

So, for example, if I have a PC w/ a "Poor" Teach Pitching rating, is there ever a chance they could improve that rating over time?


Question #2

If I turn a retired player into a coach, is there any way to reverse this as if I never turned them into one?

I have a retired pitcher (Julio Teheran) that played 8 seasons for the Braves (my team). I wanted to turn him into a pitching coach for my DSL team, but when I chose the option to turn him into a coach, it generated him as a bench coach.

I know I can just delete him as a coach and that would only leave his player profile, but when I do, the option to turn him back into a coach is no longer available. So essentially, you can only turn a player into coach once using the standard method.

I also know I can just change his position designation from BC to PC and adjust his ratings accordingly, but I was hoping to use the generator to create his ratings. Basically, I only want to guarantee he's a pitching coach but live w/ whatever ratings he receives as-is.

Is there a way to edit the coaching database so that it looks like I never turned him into a coach to begin with and still have the option available to turn him into one? Or am I now stuck w/ him being generated as a bench coach?


Questions #3

How do you know when it's time to fire staff members?

I know their reputation levels are only based on team performance (overall record, batting average, ERA) but there's really no way to tell if the team's performance, whether good or bad, is due to coaching or the players. And, to my knowledge, there's also no way to tell how much of an effect a certain coach is having on the development of my players.

So when I find a coach/staff member w/ great ratings, is there ever any need to even consider replacing them, no matter how well the team performs?

So I actually questioned the dev team about this earlier last year and the answer is yes coaches do improve over time. So you can get a younger coach if they're borderline the best one to get and hope for improvement to make them the best in the league. That is absolutely a strategy you can use.

Question 2-So you can undo turning a player into a coach as long as you're in commissioner mode and delete the coach version of the player. I do believe you are correct and you can only do that once so you cannot get the option to re-add them as a coach down the road. So regretfully whatever they are generated as is what the game decides to do. You can go into the coach page editor and change them and even go so far as to add ratings if you wanted to overhaul a coach to be what you were expecting or wanting them to be. Just depends on how manual editing you want to be.

Question 3-So for me I know it's time to fire staff members when the team is falling apart, development isn't hitting expectations, or when the staff are fighting. Usually if you setup your team with good staff and a good chemistry squad you'll get fairly good results. Usually a coach that isn't doing well will either result in the team underperforming in a certain stat/area (so pitching suffers fire the pitching coach/hitters struggling fire the hitting coach). It really comes down to feeling how the team should be performing and what you're actually getting. That's the best way to know when to fire higher staff like managers and bench coaches.

Alex

[Bos8]

One thing I don't like about how coaches evolve is the changing of the "Controls line up" or "controls player strategy" option. I will play as a General Manager, but will specifically hire coaches that allow me to set the line up/pitching staff.
Just last season in my most recent sim, we were in August, and I'm in the pitching staff screen and suddenly everything has been changed. I'll go over to the staff tab, and click on my third year coach and his green icon has changed red indicating that he now sets the line up. I fire the coach, and promote my AAA coach. He coaches 25 games and then his icon turns red. We went through three coaches in less than three months.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Bos8

One thing I don't like about how coaches evolve is the changing of the "Controls line up" or "controls player strategy" option. I will play as a General Manager, but will specifically hire coaches that allow me to set the line up/pitching staff.
Just last season in my most recent sim, we were in August, and I'm in the pitching staff screen and suddenly everything has been changed. I'll go over to the staff tab, and click on my third year coach and his green icon has changed red indicating that he now sets the line up. I fire the coach, and promote my AAA coach. He coaches 25 games and then his icon turns red. We went through three coaches in less than three months.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but in League Setup, "Global Settings" Tab, bottom left side is an option to allow GM only users to always be in charge of line-ups and staff hirings. Check this box and you can always over ride the Manager decisions.

[tonnage]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Not sure if you're aware of this, but in League Setup, "Global Settings" Tab, bottom left side is an option to allow GM only users to always be in charge of line-ups and staff hirings. Check this box and you can always over ride the Manager decisions.

I believe it's called "Legacy Mode"?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by tonnage

I believe it's called "Legacy Mode"?

It is called legacy mode. I consider it a bit of cheat though. If you want full control of these parts of your organization, then you probably shouldn't hire a manager that restricts them. Just my thought.

[Bos8]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

It is called legacy mode. I consider it a bit of cheat though. If you want full control of these parts of your organization, then you probably shouldn't hire a manager that restricts them. Just my thought.

But the manager didn't when I hired them. After approximately 100 games, he changed his mind and then restricted them. After firing him and hiring another one who did not restrict them when hired, he then also changed course and took control after a short period.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Bos8

But the manager didn't when I hired them. After approximately 100 games, he changed his mind and then restricted them. After firing him and hiring another one who did not restrict them when hired, he then also changed course and took control after a short period.

Fire him too…

[tonnage]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Fire him too…

Fire them all! Bloody bastards!! LOL!

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Bos8

But the manager didn't when I hired them. After approximately 100 games, he changed his mind and then restricted them. After firing him and hiring another one who did not restrict them when hired, he then also changed course and took control after a short period.

The legacy mode option was put in the game after many requests to have it added. It's not cheating if you assign some tasks to your staff and perform others yourself.

It's your game, play it your way.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

It's your game, play it your way.

Exactly! Legacy Mode seems like the perfect fit here.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

The legacy mode option was put in the game after many requests to have it added. It's not cheating if you assign some tasks to your staff and perform others yourself.

It's your game, play it your way.

or you could just not hire that particular manager!

[Bobfather]

You can unretire a coach. Here

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

or you could just not hire that particular manager!

Or he could just play the game his way - like most OOTP users do.

[Bobfather]

My personal experience is that yes coaches and managers and all personnel can get better or worse over time.