Wondering... What do you have your Hall of Fame Criteria set at??

HolyCow98 · 03-29-2002, 08:15 AM

I've been wondering..
I believe I lowered the HR to 475 and the hits to 2225 and AVG to .310
I think I left the Pitchers setting the way they were but I don't have any books on the Hall of Fame to see what actually are the low spots for the actuall hall and what might be a nice average to set for the players achieve, no matter what I think you will have people that are exception due to what the game looks at criteria wise, hits .avg and HR. You alway have to induct guys like Rickey Henderson yourself but that is fine I don't mide being the veteran's board in my leagur.

Scott Vibert · 03-29-2002, 08:17 AM

Actually Henderson always gets in automatically for me... he got hit #3,000 last year.

fluharty · 03-29-2002, 08:25 AM

I ended up raising my HR to 550 since so many guys seemed to be hitting 500. I think the other stuff I left alone.

HolyCow98 · 03-29-2002, 08:28 AM

Rickey for me got really close I believe 2987 hits..I even tried to trade for him as he was spending his last season in triple A with the Padres, Rafael Furcal had a sore hamstring and was going to be at 80% for 3 weeks but they wouldn't budge unless I through some blue chip prospect so I gave up.

fluharty · 03-29-2002, 08:30 AM

In my ootp3 league with rolens rosters with the 2001players, rickey retired with 2999 hits.

HolyCow98 · 03-29-2002, 08:32 AM

I lowered my HR based on a couple of guys I was looking at in a book I have and noticed that a few actual Hall of Famers wouldn't had made it under my old criteria...Willie McCovey wouldn't had made it so I decided to lower it slightly but I'm only 5 years in and if that becomes to common I will raise the bar to keep the Hall for the guys who deserve it.

Lucas718 · 03-29-2002, 09:11 AM

I use a different set of criteria:

For hitters:

.300 Avg
2500 Hits
500 HR
1500 Runs
1500 RBI
500 SB

If a player has any 3 of those, he gets consideration. Any 4 is an automatic induction.

Pitchers:

250 Wins
3.00 ERA
2000 Strikeouts

are the general criteria I go by. If a guy hasn't reached 250 wins, but his W-L record is more than 50 games over .500, then I might make an exception. Multiple Cy Young winners also get in.

These aren't set in stone, but they're generally what I look for.

MamboRat · 03-29-2002, 10:00 AM

okay, here's a poll for you HoF affectionados then: Would you have voted this guy in?

Alex Corby, catcher

lifetime 2293 hits, 551 homers and 1789 RBIs, but only a .246 career batting average. The dingers are nice (7th on the alltime list) as are the ribbies (good for 4th alltime), but .246?!?

SSG Troyer · 03-29-2002, 10:26 AM

He's in.

I had my own set of league totals for the first 10 years of my league, producing a sort of super-dead-ball era. The best ERA was 1.04 (average MLer was ~2.00), most K by pitcher was 314 (~225), most homeruns was 53 (~20), best batting average was .345 (~.250). During this time, one of the most feared hitters was Jack Ostowski. He played in 4 all-star games, and in the first year of no-more-dead-ball (1911, which had default league totals) he set the all-time HR record which stands in 1933 at 75.

"Jack O" retired in 1915, having played on five WS and four AS teams in 15 years, with 485 HR ... and a lifetime BA of .214. I considered that he spent his prime during the dead-ball era, and inducted him. Besides, I couldn't see not having the HR record-holder not in the HoF.

MamboRat · 03-29-2002, 01:18 PM

SSG: Yes, in a deadball era, I can see where a light BA might be overlooked...but my UBA started in 1931, in the midst of "Baseball's Rebirth" and which is now nearing the end (preparing for the '55 season) of "The Golden Years", during which time batting averages tended to be on the high side. (And since I am lucky if I have two teams with ERAs under 4.00 I guess it is following the historical trends correctly).

Anonymous Ghost · 03-29-2002, 01:57 PM

I have kept the HOF standards where they are. In my mind, the guys who make it in automatically should only be those who reach the "de facto" standards for the Hall (3000 hits, 500 HR, 300 wins). The rest of the guys who are deserving I just add manually.

HolyCow98 · 03-29-2002, 05:36 PM

Thats pretty much what I've been doing but sometimes I wonder about the tweeners...
In my league Edgar Martinez had .308 Avg 2415 hits 393 HR 1497 RBI... he doesn't reach any of the criteria ...you look at it long enough and you start to wonder should you allow any of the tweeners. I'm having a difficult time deciding on pitches as well as Orel Hershiser Curt Schilling and John Smoltz won between 200 and 207 games but they all had ERA slightly above the default minimum non had 3000 K's but they all had well over 2000. It would be neat if there was voting engine similar to the heisman in FOF The College Years.

Lance010 · 03-29-2002, 06:17 PM

I make my standards rediculously high.

This way I can just induct the players in who I feel are worthy of the Hall of Fame. I usually don't induct more than 3 per year.

BaseballMan · 03-29-2002, 06:36 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Lance010:
<strong>I make my standards rediculously high.

This way I can just induct the players in who I feel are worthy of the Hall of Fame. I usually don't induct more than 3 per year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I sort of do the same thing excep i also do a five year waiting period.
Also im trying to work out a system awarding players points for however many runs he scored or hr hit over a career, subtracting for wals given up & errors. Extra points for all-star appearances, post season mvps and cy youngs etc.
Of course i would seperate pitchers and hitters and i dont think i should use the same scale for points for all eras.
At least this way i wont have a Dave Kingman or Jose Canesco in my hall. Cause your gonna have to more than 3,000 hits or 500 homeruns. In my opinion one category does not make a hall of famer.

HolyCow98 · 03-29-2002, 06:46 PM

If you get that system figured out let me know. I would be interested in what you came up with.

03-29-2002, 08:15 AM	#1
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Wondering... What do you have your Hall of Fame Criteria set at?? I've been wondering.. I believe I lowered the HR to 475 and the hits to 2225 and AVG to .310 I think I left the Pitchers setting the way they were but I don't have any books on the Hall of Fame to see what actually are the low spots for the actuall hall and what might be a nice average to set for the players achieve, no matter what I think you will have people that are exception due to what the game looks at criteria wise, hits .avg and HR. You alway have to induct guys like Rickey Henderson yourself but that is fine I don't mide being the veteran's board in my leagur. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

03-29-2002, 08:28 AM	#4
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Rickey for me got really close I believe 2987 hits..I even tried to trade for him as he was spending his last season in triple A with the Padres, Rafael Furcal had a sore hamstring and was going to be at 80% for 3 weeks but they wouldn't budge unless I through some blue chip prospect so I gave up. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

03-29-2002, 08:32 AM	#6
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	I lowered my HR based on a couple of guys I was looking at in a book I have and noticed that a few actual Hall of Famers wouldn't had made it under my old criteria...Willie McCovey wouldn't had made it so I decided to lower it slightly but I'm only 5 years in and if that becomes to common I will raise the bar to keep the Hall for the guys who deserve it. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

03-29-2002, 10:00 AM	#8
MamboRat Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Portland OR Posts: 218	okay, here's a poll for you HoF affectionados then: Would you have voted this guy in? Alex Corby, catcher lifetime 2293 hits, 551 homers and 1789 RBIs, but only a .246 career batting average. The dingers are nice (7th on the alltime list) as are the ribbies (good for 4th alltime), but .246?!? __________________ Ron Shearer Universal Baseball Association

03-29-2002, 10:26 AM	#9
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	He's in. I had my own set of league totals for the first 10 years of my league, producing a sort of super-dead-ball era. The best ERA was 1.04 (average MLer was ~2.00), most K by pitcher was 314 (~225), most homeruns was 53 (~20), best batting average was .345 (~.250). During this time, one of the most feared hitters was Jack Ostowski. He played in 4 all-star games, and in the first year of no-more-dead-ball (1911, which had default league totals) he set the all-time HR record which stands in 1933 at 75. "Jack O" retired in 1915, having played on five WS and four AS teams in 15 years, with 485 HR ... and a lifetime BA of .214. I considered that he spent his prime during the dead-ball era, and inducted him. Besides, I couldn't see not having the HR record-holder not in the HoF. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

03-29-2002, 08:17 AM	#2
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,209	Actually Henderson always gets in automatically for me... he got hit #3,000 last year.

03-29-2002, 08:25 AM	#3
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	I ended up raising my HR to 550 since so many guys seemed to be hitting 500. I think the other stuff I left alone.

03-29-2002, 08:30 AM	#5
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	In my ootp3 league with rolens rosters with the 2001players, rickey retired with 2999 hits.

03-29-2002, 09:11 AM	#7
Lucas718 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 400	I use a different set of criteria: For hitters: .300 Avg 2500 Hits 500 HR 1500 Runs 1500 RBI 500 SB If a player has any 3 of those, he gets consideration. Any 4 is an automatic induction. Pitchers: 250 Wins 3.00 ERA 2000 Strikeouts are the general criteria I go by. If a guy hasn't reached 250 wins, but his W-L record is more than 50 games over .500, then I might make an exception. Multiple Cy Young winners also get in. These aren't set in stone, but they're generally what I look for.

03-29-2002, 01:18 PM	#10
MamboRat Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Portland OR Posts: 218	SSG: Yes, in a deadball era, I can see where a light BA might be overlooked...but my UBA started in 1931, in the midst of "Baseball's Rebirth" and which is now nearing the end (preparing for the '55 season) of "The Golden Years", during which time batting averages tended to be on the high side. (And since I am lucky if I have two teams with ERAs under 4.00 I guess it is following the historical trends correctly). __________________ Ron Shearer Universal Baseball Association

03-29-2002, 01:57 PM	#11
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 751	I have kept the HOF standards where they are. In my mind, the guys who make it in automatically should only be those who reach the "de facto" standards for the Hall (3000 hits, 500 HR, 300 wins). The rest of the guys who are deserving I just add manually.

03-29-2002, 05:36 PM	#12
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Thats pretty much what I've been doing but sometimes I wonder about the tweeners... In my league Edgar Martinez had .308 Avg 2415 hits 393 HR 1497 RBI... he doesn't reach any of the criteria ...you look at it long enough and you start to wonder should you allow any of the tweeners. I'm having a difficult time deciding on pitches as well as Orel Hershiser Curt Schilling and John Smoltz won between 200 and 207 games but they all had ERA slightly above the default minimum non had 3000 K's but they all had well over 2000. It would be neat if there was voting engine similar to the heisman in FOF The College Years. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

03-29-2002, 06:17 PM	#13
Lance010 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 49	I make my standards rediculously high. This way I can just induct the players in who I feel are worthy of the Hall of Fame. I usually don't induct more than 3 per year. __________________ "If you hail from NY, you HAVE to choose between the Mets and Yanks. I've heard people that support both teams. What is this, like the bisexuality of sports?? - Bill Simmons

03-29-2002, 06:36 PM	#14
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,522	[quote]Originally posted by Lance010: <strong>I make my standards rediculously high. This way I can just induct the players in who I feel are worthy of the Hall of Fame. I usually don't induct more than 3 per year.</strong><hr></blockquote> I sort of do the same thing excep i also do a five year waiting period. Also im trying to work out a system awarding players points for however many runs he scored or hr hit over a career, subtracting for wals given up & errors. Extra points for all-star appearances, post season mvps and cy youngs etc. Of course i would seperate pitchers and hitters and i dont think i should use the same scale for points for all eras. At least this way i wont have a Dave Kingman or Jose Canesco in my hall. Cause your gonna have to more than 3,000 hits or 500 homeruns. In my opinion one category does not make a hall of famer.

03-29-2002, 06:46 PM	#15
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	If you get that system figured out let me know. I would be interested in what you came up with. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM