Trick to warm up relief pitchers faster.

[Bobfather]

I just found this 'cheat code' to quickly wasm up pitchers. If a baserunner is on, throw multiple pick-off throws until the reliever is warm.

[PSUColonel]

Perhaps the development team can remove this exploit. For those who don't manage their games, this is most certainly a non-issue, but I suppose any and all loopholes discovered (such as this) should be closed if possible.

[dsthomp]

Hopefully OOTP24 will implement next year's new rules, including the one that limits pickoff attempts to 2 (if the pitcher steps off a third time the runner advances), and that will take care of your "cheat code."

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by dsthomp

Hopefully OOTP24 will implement next year's new rules, including the one that limits pickoff attempts to 2 (if the pitcher steps off a third time the runner advances), and that will take care of your "cheat code."

Dumbest new rule ever.

[jimmysthebestcop]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

Dumbest new rule ever.

Might as well just remove commercials and sell more sponsorships in the broadcast like soccer does if they want to speed up the game.

Same thing for the NFL. NFL might be the worst and people think it is fast. I get its an actual 1 hour timed. But even if it was 60 minutes straight there is only like 15 minutes of actual action happening.

What makes these sports long is commercials and greed.Not the rules. Same thing with extra innings its only like 10% of all games per year (around 200) go to extra innings and 50% of those end after 10. 30% needed 11 and 10% needed 12. So they created the dumb ghost rule for literally around 20 games a year cause 90% of extra inning games end at 12 or before.

Same thing with trying to remove specialists when basically it was used is so few situations in modern baseball that it wasnt needed.

I think MLB just likes to do stuff as PR moves. When really its the modern broadcast and increasing commercials that take up all the time.

The only rule I can get behind is the pitch clock if time is the mlb #1 concern. It cut at least 30 minutes out of minor league games. MLB that is probably like cutting out 60 minutes with all the damn commercials

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Perhaps the development team can remove this exploit. For those who don't manage their games, this is most certainly a non-issue, but I suppose any and all loopholes discovered (such as this) should be closed if possible.

What exploit? Until the 2023 season starts this is perfectly legal.

Throwing to 1st a few extra times to give the bullpen more time to warm up is not something new, it's been done for ages irl.

[MathBandit]

I found a faster "cheat code" to make warmups even faster. On the loading screen before the game, you can tick a box to turn warmup rule off.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

What exploit? Until the 2023 season starts this is perfectly legal.

Throwing to 1st a few extra times to give the bullpen more time to warm up is not something new, it's been done for ages irl.

That's just it, there is no rule against it until 2023. OOTP not taking into account the time that is being used would be unrealistic.

Am I going to do it? For a RP that just got up and is cold, no. Not worth the effort or the chance of an error by repeatedly throwing over. If I had a guy that had been warming up for 2 or 3 batters and wasn't quite ready? Maybe I'd try one throw to see if it got him to warm. Nothing wrong with that strategy at all. The "you're cheating the AI argument because it doesn't understand the strategy or, can't do it too" kind of goes out the window when it's RP are always warm.

I'd add that if you've used warmups enough this situation will rarely come up. If it does you are in control and can simply not do it which, is the best course of action unless, as noted above, you're throwing one or two to get a guy to warm that is almost there. If you're doing it for a cold RP that just got up? All I can say it "have fun" it sounds like a great way to spend time

What we shouldn't be doing is asking the developers to fix something that isn't broke.

[PSUColonel]

I’m not sure if the game warms up pitchers via at bat or per pitch. If it’s per pitch…perhaps limiting how much game time can be used for pitcher warmups in relation to throw overs. Just so that you wouldn’t be able to (in theory) be able to throw to first over and over again, and thereby warming the pitcher constantly. It’s true it won’t be an issue in 2023 but there is still historical play….and I can already guess this will be a “disabled rule” often. Not something I would be doing, but you might as well just tie up any loose ends.

[PSUColonel]

I am also assuming a pitchers “hold runner” affects their chances of an errant throw to first. So that would also be something to consider when deciding whether to throw over often or not.

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am also assuming a pitchers “hold runner” affects their chances of an errant throw to first. So that would also be something to consider when deciding whether to throw over often or not.

You can not throw over if the runner is not held.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I’m not sure if the game warms up pitchers via at bat or per pitch. If it’s per pitch…perhaps limiting how much game time can be used for pitcher warmups in relation to throw overs. Just so that you wouldn’t be able to (in theory) be able to throw to first over and over again, and thereby warming the pitcher constantly. It’s true it won’t be an issue in 2023 but there is still historical play….and I can already guess this will be a “disabled rule” often. Not something I would be doing, but you might as well just tie up any loose ends.

What loose ends? Please explain.

The AI doesn't use the warmup rule, it never warms up pitchers, so it's a moot point.

The only one who might do it is a human, and that'll be their choice. Same as the modified extra innings rule and minimum batters faced rule is optional in game. Users choice.

[MikeS369]

Might as well just turn off the warmup rule if you are going to game the system.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by MikeS369

Might as well just turn off the warmup rule if you are going to game the system.

Throwing over to first to allow a pitcher to warm up isn't gaming the system. It's a strategy that's been used in baseball for decades.

[MikeS369]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Throwing over to first to allow a pitcher to warm up isn't gaming the system. It's a strategy that's been used in baseball for decades.

He calls it a "cheat code". He's doing it to game the system. Just turn off the warmup rule.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

You can not throw over if the runner is not held.

That is not what I was saying...I am saying the "hold runner" rating is likely tied to how often (or not) a pitcher might make an errant throw.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

What loose ends? Please explain.

The AI doesn't use the warmup rule, it never warms up pitchers, so it's a moot point..

Not sure if I can say this or not (but I think it's been said publicly by developers) they are working on trying to get the AI to warm-up pitchers as well in the future. So, it is NOT a moot point, as you say.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Not sure if I can say this or not (but I think it's been said publicly by developers) they are working on trying to get the AI to warm-up pitchers as well in the future. So, it is NOT a moot point, as you say.

It's moot right now.

Still waiting for the explanation of the loophole/exploit.

And how exactly do they "Tighten it up"? What can you change to do that? Even if they implement AI warm-ups, how do you prevent it?

You have to leave it as an option, otherwise you take out an historical aspect of the game.

[PSUColonel]

Because I am sure in game is likely "scaled". If you notice the clock in the upper right hand corner, a minute of game time does not necessarily equal an actual minute. So I am sure there is a certain " in game time" amount that is considered sufficient for RP to warm up. So what I am saying is that each in game "play" is likely a certain amount of play. What I am trying to tell you is that a pitch and a throw over (or any other type of play for that matter) are likely the same amount of time. Perhaps a throw over should not be worth the same amount of in game time as a pitch, or a fouled off ball, or a ball in play etc. This way, you would not just be able to have your pitcher endlessly throw over to first until your bullpen is warm...Or at least it would take much longer.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

You have to leave it as an option, otherwise you take out an historical aspect of the game.

I never suggested removing it for that reason.

Is there a reason why you guys are constantly trying to push my buttons, and simply dispute anything I have to say in terms of trying to improve OOTP?