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OOTP 23 - Historical Simulations Discuss historical simulations and their results in this forum. |
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Spritzey DB is not right at the moment
Not sure I'll be able to fix it either.
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The screw up appears to be in the Fielding file. I look at it in spreadsheet form, and it flows really nicely. I look at it in game, and it's quite a mess.
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I'm ready to declare the Spritze DB dead. Dead, or use at your own risk. Understand that if you choose to use it, Jesse Barfield, Roberto Clemente, Dwight Evans, Larry Walker, and other all-time great defensive RF will not have any experience...In RF. None of their RF stats will show up in their RL stats. This will not only weaken them as OF in general, but the no experience in RF thing will not allow them to play there...Period. Sure, you can edit every Spritze RF, but to what end?
I think it has something to do with the difference between how the main DB deals with outfielders, and how Spritze deals with them. The main DB now lists OF defensive stats at each of the OF positions they played for all years all the way back to 1871. The Spritze DB labels all OF as OF from 1871 forward, and uses the FieldingOF file to break them down. Sounds like voodoo to me, and given that it punts RF stats from the DB, I'm wondering what else is going on. RL infield stats look a little bit funky, too. I don't notice ratings being affected by all of this weirdness, except for the RF, who are really punished by it. This goes back a long way, too. I'd just never noticed it before, because I only bring in a couple of guys at a time. So, for now, I will declare it dead. Maybe some DB Dr. can assist with its revival, but it's not looking good, right now. RIP Spritze DB. You served us really well. Hopefully, eventually the main DB, or MiLB DB will enable us to enjoy the players that Spritze once allowed us to enjoy. I'm sorry I didn't see it sooner, but I've never played exclusively with the Spritze DB. Shall we have a wake or a funeral? Who's bringing the booze, and other essentials?
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My favorite DB of all time.
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We go back to the Mogul boards, don't we?
It's too bad. I can't declare it totally dead, but understand the risks if you choose to use it. Some gremlins got into the Fielding section of it, at some point, and it went a bit haywire. I think I know why it's happening, but I'm not a DB Dr. I was just trying to keep the legacy going. The gremlins got in there quite a while ago, too. I'll still keep it up on the Google Drive, and provide links to those that want it, but once I finally noticed it, the RF thing kinda sealed the deal for me. If you know a good DB fixer, lemme know, but now that the man himself has gone, I'm not sure any of us can make heads or tails of it. It was an incredible piece of work, by an incredible dude.
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How old a version of OOTP does a person need for it to work correctly?
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It's looking like a very old problem to me. I had a look back to OOTP16, with the Spritze 16 DB, and the RF issue was there. Checked it out using Clemente, and Barfield. Not pretty. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that the Spritze DB, and the main DB handled OF stats differently, and now that the main DB has (correctly) created stats for all OF, from 1871 forward, that break down their time, and numbers at each of the three positions, I don't see a way to fix it. Spritze designated every OF as an OF, and broke down playing time in a separate file, that didn't have stats in it. A bit of Spritze voodoo magic, but I'm not sure it'll work anymore. The main DB did that between 1871 and 1953, until recently, but now does separate stats for each of the three positions, for all 151 years. Price of progress, I guess. I think it was doomed once the new DB comes out for OOTP24 anyway. I don't think it's a fight I can win.
For those that used it extensively, did you ever notice the RF issue? I only did a very shallow dive with it, and missed it entirely, until today, so it may be a very long standing issue. I just can't handle trashing great defensive RF like that. Like I said, if we find a DB wizard, maybe there's a chance, but 24 might render it obsolete anyway. Another possibility is that I always used it in conjunction with the main database. The main DB was for my game, and I brought in Spritze players using the Historical Player Import tool. If somebody can check out a game, where they used Spritze exclusively, that would help us to see if it's just something that happens when you "abuse" it, like that. I don't have a game I can check out to see if that problem exists in a game that is started with the Spritze DB, and stays with the Spritze DB. I can run a quick tester now, and see what happens.
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Yep. Just did a quick tester, starting in 1901 with Spritzie. Nobody is rated at RF. 77 players rated at RF with in test with regular DB. Don't know how I missed this before.
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371 players in Regular - 77 players rated at RF
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It would make sense that at some point the game handled the DB the same way Spritze did. If it didn't there would be no reason for him to make it as he did. It seems to me its likely that at some point the Spritze DB was compatible but not with newer versions of the game.
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I think you have to go back to ootp 19 or 20 for it to work correctly. If I recall even in 21 you could get the players to import properly, but they would not allow a draft, even with the box checked the players always came in as free agents, and you had to run a free agent draft that day if you wanted a draft. Beyond 21 i stopped trying. |
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I'm concerned about Clay's health for sure, although that seems to have been getting better, as of a blog post four years ago. I remember his wife being funny as hell, too, in interactions I had with her. I think they're good peeps, and I wish them well, but OOTP is where I get my baseball sim fix these days. A lot of us over here, now. HoustonGM, ohms_law, Jeffy25, and others I'm not remembering at the moment. Nice to see them around, as well as yourself.
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It's interesting to see the people who have been around for a long time and through other games. Definitely sad to see this DB no longer usable. While I'm loving the full minor league one that comes with the game, the exclusion of *** players keeps me from having a DB that I can use without having to make additions. |
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I s'pose if the player you're trying to import never played a stitch of RF, it'd be OK, but if that's not functioning properly, what else is broken?
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Hey actionjackson — has anybody tried recompiling a version of the Spritze database?
I'm starting to become interested in diving in a bit deeper. PM me if you have a chance. I tried writing to you the other day, but your inbox was full. |
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