PIM and Powerplay

[fredbeene]

A player gets penalty for 2 mins
PowerPlay goes into effect.
PP team scores in first 10 seconds.

Does that end the power play?
Does the penalized player come back on ice?
Does penalized player PIM stay at 2 mins or go to 1:50 seconds?

[Savoie45]

Yes, once a goal is scored on a powerplay, the player in the penalty box returns to the ice. The only time he doesn't is if it's a double minor or major penalty such as fighting or misconduct.

[fredbeene]

Thanks....but how would the penalty PIMs work?
I mean in my example they were really only off the ice 10 seconds

Are there stats that gives a MINUS or how many times when a player is penalized the opposing team scores....

Are there stats for how much TIME a team has power play in effect?

Being new, i am trying to understand the value of having a player on the ice that causes so many penalites.....i assume it the aggressiveness factor. However you can be aggressive and NOT make a penalty......
Somehow you have to measure the amount of PIM vs the value of the aggressiveness when not in the penalty box is at prevented goals.

[renojedi]

There is no proration if a PP doesn't go the full time. I can kind of justify it for a player since they were penalized for 2 minutes even though a PP team may have scored before that.

The part I don't like is what comes from the rule that "Teams are on a power play when they have at least a one-player advantage on the ice for any amount of time."

For example. Team one is on PP for 10 seconds and commits a penalty. Both teams at even strength for 1:50 and then team two gets a 10 second PP. Both teams are charged for a power play opportunity.

In that case, both teams PP opportunities are no where near 2 minutes so a PP% is not really equal between teams.

I would be totally Ok with getting rid of PP% (goals/opportunities) and replacing it with a stat that reflects minutes on the PP instead.

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

Thanks....but how would the penalty PIMs work?
I mean in my example they were really only off the ice 10 seconds

Are there stats that gives a MINUS or how many times when a player is penalized the opposing team scores....

Are there stats for how much TIME a team has power play in effect?

I think what fredbeene is asking is a question much more basic than the answers he has been given.

If I understand you correctly you want to know how many PIMs a player accumulates when assigned a 2 minute minor and the opposition scores 10 seconds into their power play?

The answer is 2 minutes. If you are assessed a 2 minute penalty or a 5 minute major, it counts as 2 minutes or 5 minutes regardless of how much time you actually serve. Think of it for individual players as penalty minutes assessed rather than necessarily served.

For team power play and penalty killing time it is the reverse. In your example above team 1 is credited with only 10 seconds of power play time not 2 minutes because they only were on the power play for 10 seconds. They also get a 1for 1 on power play conversions that result in goals. Same for team 2 they only get credit for 10 seconds of short handed time.

So players PIM stats are on time assessed while team special teams totals are based on actual time on power play and short handed.

[fredbeene]

Fantastic : ) thx for explanation (s)