Anybody Interested in a DB that includes fully fledged players from the Federal League?

[actionjackson]

The DB that comes with the game has OF Fielding Stats for Fed Leaguers, only. My DB, that's looked good so far, and hasn't broken anything (yet), fills in INF, P, and C fielding stats, plus batting, and pitching stats. I just hate the idea that they got turfed out of the main DB (with the exception of the OF Fielding Stats) a few years ago, never to return. I know the stats were in there before, because I saw them in my 63 year OOTP16 save, and went back to verify that recently. I can put the DB on my Google Drive, and link to it, if people are interested.

Why would I bother?

1) I'm a bit of a completist, and

2) The reason given for not including them/removing them was the poor level of competition in the Fed League.

All I have to say to #2, is that if Fred Dunlap's crazy sauce 1884 season with the St. Louis Maroons, of the Union Association, is in the default DB, then every other player in the history of baseball should be in there, too, and they're not, as it stands. If you take away Dunlap's .412 season, in 1884, he goes from a .292 career hitter, to a .276 career hitter. He had 160 Runs, 185 Hits, 39 2B, 8 3B, 13 HR, with a .412/.448/.621/1.069 slash line, a 256 OPS+/214 wRC+, and 279 TB, across 478 PA, in 101 Games. I would maintain that the level of competition in the Fed League was better than it was in both the Union Association, and the Players League, but I don't have the mathiness to prove it. The way it stands now, if/when those guys come into your game, they'll be complete fenceposts. I'll put it up, should anyone want to give it a spin.

[Charlie Hough]

I support any work that potentially creates a fuller representation of all professional leagues in OOTP.

If there's concern about the poor level of competition, then why not make the Federal League equivalent to a AAA league in OOTP, with appropriate talent and ratings modifiers? It might be a bit complicated and might not be entirely fair to Federal League players, but it's a better solution than excluding stats from the database.

[actionjackson]

That's beyond my pay grade. Just looking to get their stats (as they happened, with no changes), which I have succeeded in doing, barring people finding bugs in it. They're all in there. Not sure how they perform yet, but I can see them in the Real Life Stats tab. It's the only league that's not in. If you think the FL should be AAA, shouldn't the UA, and the PL be AA, or something like that?

[actionjackson]

In other words, this is a Mod that would put the Fed Leaguers back into the game, in the regular database, where they once were.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

I support any work that potentially creates a fuller representation of all professional leagues in OOTP.

If there's concern about the poor level of competition, then why not make the Federal League equivalent to a AAA league in OOTP, with appropriate talent and ratings modifiers? It might be a bit complicated and might not be entirely fair to Federal League players, but it's a better solution than excluding stats from the database.

I had the discussion with the powers that be, about it, earlier this year. Fed Leaguers' stats are not coming back to the DB that ships with the game. That ship appears to have sailed. That's why I put this together. Everything else is the default DB. It's just that with the Fed Leaguers put in. All of their stats show up in the Real Life Stats tab, so it's looking good so far.

[Pelican]

Hmmm I have already started a 1914 sim with the Federal League players I could find, plus a few other signings based on historical research of almost, coulda-beens, and signed contracts voided or reneged on by the player.

What I am wondering is whether (or how) I could incorporate this database, without corrupting my save. My version of the Federal League is positioned as a genuine third major league; not a AAA league.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Hmmm I have already started a 1914 sim with the Federal League players I could find, plus a few other signings based on historical research of almost, coulda-beens, and signed contracts voided or reneged on by the player.

What I am wondering is whether (or how) I could incorporate this database, without corrupting my save. My version of the Federal League is positioned as a genuine third major league; not a AAA league.

Have a look at those Fed League guys, though. Their stats columns are completely empty, aside from defensive stats for outfielders. This DB fills all of that in. Complete batting stats, pitching stats, and fielding stats for infielders, catchers, and pitchers. It completes the historical DB, by adding back in, numbers that were removed somewhere between OOTP16, and now. I made it, because I play Historical Random Debuts, and wanted to see these guys properly fleshed out, and restored again. I have no idea how it'll work in a straight historical. I would hope the players would come into a two sub-league format, because adding a third sub-league unnecessarily complicates things, in my eyes. Just wanted to make the players (there are some HoFers that played in it) whole again.

[Pelican]

Okay, I’m game. Where/how do I download?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Okay, I’m game. Where/how do I download?

You'd have to start a new game, I would think, because criss-crossing DBs once you've started, might corrupt the file. Also, haven't put it up on my Google Drive yet, because I wasn't sure anybody would want it. Shouldn't take long. I'll post a link, and put it in my sig, when it's there.

Once it is up on my drive, you'll see that it's called stats_modified. You want to extract that folder into the stats folder within your OOTP Baseball 23 folder, and point to it from within the game, at Game Settings > League Settings > Historical > Historical Rookies Settings > Database Path

Probably best to have the folder in there, before you set up a new game. Use the Advanced Settings to tell the game which stats folder you want the players to come from. Pictures below. The reason you want it inside the stats folder is that, if you want to go back to the regular DB, with a different game, you can do so, as you won't have overwritten the original DB. Also, a new patch won't overwrite this modified DB, so it keeps the two DBs separate.

So far, seven seasons in, and it's worked well. Nothing broken, yet...Pics of Fed League Pitcher Frank Allen, and defensive whiz SS Mickey Doolan also below, with their RL Stats.

First pic: What you should do on Setup for a game. Second: What the Database Path on the Historical Page should look like. Third: Frank Allen. Fourth: Mickey Doolan.

It's the original DB, with this stuff put in, plus a few corrections I've made to the Master file, for my own use. Player IDs (BB-Ref MLB, and MiLB...MiLB IDs are used for FaceGens these days), birthdates, names as they are on BB-Ref (a lot's changed in the last little bit), and debut dates (important to get birthdates, and debut dates correct, so that the player comes in at the right age). I'll have it up sometime later this afternoon. Thanks for your interest.

[actionjackson]

Here ya go Pelican. Aside from you, I've only got my seven seasons worth of testing, so lemme know how it looks, and works for you. Don't worry about the warning stuff. It's too big of a file for Google to scan, but it's definitely downloadable.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZoN...B2GCcULxt/view

[thehef]

AJ: So if I'm understanding, you are doing a db that will bring in the Fed Leaguers without having to enable minor leagues? And so those guys would import as free agents, and there would be no Fed League structure unless the gamer were to manually add it. Correct? Or am I way off base?

[actionjackson]

I made this for my Random Debut leagues, which bring everyone in through the amateur draft. I haven't tried it with a normal historical, but it certainly works in Random Debut. My guess is that it would be a good idea to have the Amateur Draft enabled, so that all the guys could come in that way. I suspect that even without the Amateur Draft, they'd show up as free agents. The only thing I'd advise against, is using them in a league that assigns them to their RL teams. That might not work so well, because the Fed League structure has gone the way of the Do-Do. I think that was the right decision, because three major league sub-leagues would get kind of messy. I just didn't want to see these guys being relegated to being crappy fenceposts, who come in, and retire, without having had a chance to do anything. It might work with minor leagues. I've never used those though, so I can't really advise you on what to do with that structure.

All of them are in the Master, so they will definitely show up when they're supposed to. It'll also complete the career stats of guys like Mordecai Brown, Jack Quinn, Joe Tinker, Edd Roush, and others, that made a stop over in the league, at the beginning, middle, or end of their careers. It's just that if only the OF have defensive stats, and nobody has any others, they're kind of one dimensional players. I wanted them to be three dimensional guys again, so I made this. I say again, because at one point, all the stats for these guys were in the main DB, but were taken out. The reason I was given, was the low competitive level vis a vis other historical leagues. That's fine, but the Union Association, and Players League stats are still in there, and from where I sit, those two leagues had a lesser competitive level than the Fed League. There's no player that had a season that can compare with Fred Dunlap's 1884 annihilation of the Union Association, and those stats are in the game, so why do these guys get the cold shoulder? Cold shoulder no mo', I say!

Not sure if it'll be possible to use this beyond OOTP23. I'll have a better sense of it, when I get a look at the re-done main DB that's coming out with OOTP24, so for now, that's a wait and see thing. Four months 'til that comes around though, so why not get this out while we're waiting? I showed RL stats pages for Allen, and Doolan above. Here are their Profile pages, and Allen's Pitching Stats page. Doolan's just starting out, so all of his career stats are on his Profile page.

[pstrickert]

Works like a charm. Thanks!

[Charlie Hough]

Has anyone tested this with a regular historical game? I'll hopefully find some time to do some testing at some point, but I was curious if others have already used this database with a historical game.