Presets file for historical - historical injuries/suspensions needed

[JeffR]

As mentioned in the FHM9 announcement, we've enabled the presets.txt file for historical games, which will allow them to start with the injuries and suspensions that existed at the start of the game's first season. The file will be very complete back to 2013, since I just used the presets files from each previous version of FHM, but to start with I've only got a couple of hundred entries for pre-2013 seasons. Basically just the major injuries and longer suspensions, and a few other things. It's a good start but a long way from being complete, so I'd appreciate any help people can contribute in fleshing out the list.

The current version of the file is attached below. The format is listed at the top of the file, 0 in the first column = injury, 1=suspension.

If there are any historical injuries or suspensions that need to be added, let me know here. Keep in mind that these need to be injuries or suspensions that existed at the start of the NHL season and caused the player to miss games - the vast majority of injuries happen after that and won't be listed here. I've also added a couple of new injury types that won't be used by the game to create new injuries, "personal reasons" and "cancer", but can be used here. I've used "personal reasons" to include a lot of guys who shouldn't be able to be signed in particular seasons, but show up now as RFA's or UFA's in the game - Dryden when he took a year off in 1973, pre-comeback retirements of Lafleur, Howe, Lindsay, etc.

You don't need to format your contributions as in the file, just give me the name, season, injury type, and the approximate time they returned or number of games they were suspended for. "Suspensions" can include team suspensions, not just league ones, e.g. when players were under contract but held out and refused to play, as well as players who weren't suspended but were in jail (MacTavish, Probert, Danton, etc.) One exception: military service; it'd break the roster AI if we used suspensions to model that, because so many players would be gone during World War 2. We're working on a better system to handle those guys.

[Castleview]

From a combo of Hockey Reference game logs and my old copy of Total NHL (circa 2003) , I can offer the following (surnames A-C only so far):

Maxim Afinogenov, Buffalo 02-03 , Head Injury in camp (8-10-02) , missed first 46 games.
Ron Anderson (21-1-1950), Washington 75-76, Knee injury in camp, never played then traded to New Haven AHL (26-2-76).
Donald Audette, Buffalo 95-96, Knee injury in camp (23-9-95), missed first 11 games.
Frank Bathe, Flyers 83-84, Back injury in camp (15-10-83), missed entire regular season, returned for 1 playoff game then retired.
Jean Beliveau, Montreal 61-62, knee injury in exhibition vs Spokane (30-9-61), missed first 25 games.
Doug Bentley, Chicago 44-45, sat out entire season to work on family farm to help war effort (was alternative to military, so maybe shouldn't count).
Drake Berehowsky, Phoenix 02-03, knee injury in camp (24-9-02), missed first 61 games.
Todd Bergen, Flyers 85-86, suspended for not coming to camp and became a pro golfer, traded to Minnesota (29-11-85) - never played again.
Blair Betts , Calgary 02-03, had pre-season shoulder and knee surgery (1-10-02), missed first 72 games.
Wayne Bianchin, Pittsburgh 74-75, neck surgery (April 74), missed start of season (24 games), returned for 2 games, then out for season.
Phillipe Boucher, LA Kings 99-00 & 00-01, Foot injury in camp, missed first 80 games (returned 7-4-00). Then missed first 60 games of 00-01 (returned 22-02-01).
Ken Breitenbach, Buffalo 77-78, missed entire season after breaking leg in camp.
Keith Brown, Chicago 92-93, Shoulder surgery (27-9-92), missed first 47 games.
Randy Burridge, Washington 92-93, knee injury in camp (5-9-92), missed first 80 games.
Billy Cameron, Canadiens 1924-25, suspended entire season after being traded to Vancouver (WCHL) but refusing to report.
George Carey , Montreal Wanderers, 1917-18 and 1918-19. Traded by Quebec to Montreal in 1917 NHL dispersal draft but refused to report. Was suspended
by Montreal for 2 seasons until traded back to Quebec when they joined NHL in 1919-20. Sources tend to only show his NHL career beginning in 19-20.
Jack Carlson, Minnesota 79-80, Missed entire season due to back surgery.
Kent Carlson, St Louis 86-87, missed entire season after spinal fusion surgery.
Gerry Carson, Canadiens 35-36, missed entire season after knee surgery.
Bruce Cassidy, Chicago 84-85, missed entire NHL season due to knee injury in camp, but returned to play 27 games for Ottawa (AHL).
Shawn Chambers, Washington 91-92, missed first 47 games due to knee injury sustained while with Minnesota (5-12-90).
Dick Cherry, Boston, retired from 1963 to 1965 to work as a teacher. Mostly in AHL with Boston, but later played for Flyers.
Marian Cisar, Nashville 01-02, hip injury in camp, missed first 4 games, then played in 10 games, then out for season (2 games in AHL).
Charlie Conacher , Toronto 36-37, Wrist injury in camp, missed first 2 games, then played off and on for 3 months (15 games total).
Pat Conacher, NY Rangers 80-81, ankle injury in pre-season rookie game, missed entire season.
Troy Crowder, Detroit 92-93 & 93-94, injured back 10-10-91, missed most of that season , then entire 92-93 and 93-94 seasons.
Mike Crowley, Minnesota 01-02, achilles tendon injury in camp, returned to play 11 games in Houston (AHL) that season then retired.
Glen Currie, LA Kings 85-86, back injury in camp, missed first 67 games.
Paul Cyr, NY Rangers 89-90, played first game of 88-89 season then had back surgery. Missed rest of season and entire 89-90 season.

[Castleview]

How are career ending injuries being handled?
For example, Brian Bradley suffered a concussion during 97-98 , missed remainder of season , then whole of 98-99 season, then announced his retirement in August 99.
So would FHM still have him on Tampa's roster for 98-99 and out injured, or would he
only be included up to 97-98 season?

Edit: For historical accuracy I'd guess he should be included, as his possible return (or otherwise) would influence how management handled the team.

[JeffR]

Thanks, exactly what I needed, I'll try to get those in for the launch.

Career-ending injuries depend on how I've got the player set up in the database. Bradley's career is set to end after 1997-98, so there's no need for the injury data there. That'll be the case for most players, their career ends after the last year they played games.

The only place it's really necessary to include the permanently-injured players is in the cap era, where they have to stay around in the years they were still contracted so their team takes their cap hit. So that'll be from 2004-05 to 2012-13, everything after that will already be on the list from the presets files from previous FHM's.

[Castleview]

A few more...

Brad Dalgarno, Islanders 89-90, Eye injury (21-2-89), missed remainder of season and entire 89-90 season.
Mike Danton, Devils 01-02, He was suspended by Devils for entire 01-02 season for refusing to report to Albany (AHL).
Jude Drouin, Islanders 78-79, sat out entire season in contract dispute to become a free agent.
Babe Dye , Toronto 1923-24 , retired to play pro baseball (Sept 1923). Toronto re-signed him in January 1924, missed first 5 games.
Babe Dye, Chicago 1927-28, Broke his leg in training camp, missed first 31 games.
Mike Eaves , Calgary 85-86, head injury in pre-season (21-9-85), retired and became assistant coach. Came out of retirement to play 8 games in 1986 playoffs.
Frank Eddolls, NY Rangers 48-49, Missed first 26 games due to knee injury sustained in off-season car accident.
Mike Fidler, Minnesota 79-80, Offseason shoulder surgery, missed first 17 games.
Lee Fogolin Sr, Chicago 54-55, Elbow injury in camp, missed first 15 games. Returned but only played 9 games in total.
Jim Fox, Kings 88-89, Knee injury (10-3-88), missed most of remainder of season and entire 88-89 season. Played 11 games in 89-90 then retired.
Paul Gagne, Devils 86-87 & 87-88, back injury (25-3-86), missed rest of season and entire 86-87 & 87-88 seasons.
Brent Gilchrist, Detroit 98-99 & 99-00, hernia surgery (22-9-98), missed first 68 games of 98-99. Also missed first 56 games of 99-00 season.
Ebbie Goodfellow, Detroit 41-42 & 42-43, missed first 19 games of 41-42, had knee surgery (December 1941). Also missed first 4 games of 42-43
and only played 11 games total.
Josh Green, Edmonton 00-01, shoulder injury in pre-season (10-10-00), missed entire regular season, returned for playoffs.
Lucien Grenier, Atlanta 72-73, ankle injury in camp, missed entire season.
Ron Greschner, NY Rangers 82-83, back injury in camp, missed first 53 games.
Marc Habscheid, Edmonton 85-86, suspended in camp for refusing to report to Nova Scotia. Traded to Minnesota 20-12-85.
Bryan Hextall Sr, NY Rangers 44-45, missed entire season as War Mobilization Command would not let him enter USA.
Tom Hirsch, Minnesota 85-86 & 86-87, missed both seasons after shoulder surgery (October 85).
Brian Holzinger, Tampa 02-03, Missed first 20 games due to shoulder injury sustained in 01-02 season.

[#4BobbyOrr]

Not sure if they count but Niedermayer sat out the first 34 games of 07-08 debating retirement and Selanne missed 56 games before signing in 07-08 for the same reason. In Niedermayers case he was suspended by the team without pay until he decided to come back.

[JeffR]

Thanks, I think everything up to here will make it into the release, and we'll add any more in the first update.

[northjersey]

Jeff, will this preset file also work for a standard game? the manual would seem to indicate it does

[Castleview]

Some more:

Al Iafrate, Boston 94-95 & 95-96, knee surgery, missed both seasons.
Gerry James, Toronto 58-59, leg injury playing in CFL game (September 1958), missed entire season.
Ross Johnstone, Toronto 46-47, Suspended in camp for refusing to report to Tulsa (USHL), traded to Springfield (AHL) 31-12-46.
Keith Jones, Colorado 97-98, Knee injury in 96-97 season, missed first 58 games of 97-98.
Ted Kennedy, Toronto 55-56 & 56-57, retired after 54-55 season and missed entire 55-56 season, and first 37 games of 56-57, before returning on 6-1-57.
Jim Korn, Toronto 85-86, knee injury in camp, missed entire season.
John Leblanc, Edmonton 90-91, sat out entire season in contract dispute.
Lowell MacDonald, Pittsburgh 71-72, knee injury (21-10-70), missed remainder of 70-71 season and entire 71-72 season.
Lowell MacDonald, Pittsburgh 76-77 & 77-78, shoulder injury (10-12-75), missed first 77 games of 76-77 season and first 3 games of 77-78.
Jamie Macoun, Calgary 87-88, injured arm in automobile accident, missed entire season.
Vladimir Malakhov, Montreal 99-00, knee injury in pre-season, missed first 43 games.
Jimmy Mann, Quebec 86-87, abdominal injury (originally occured December 84) , missed entire season.
Daniel Marois, Boston/Dallas 94-95 , missed entire season after back surgery, was signed by Dallas during season (26-1-95).
Duke McCurry, Pittsburgh 29-30, Traded to Montreal Maroons (Sept 1929), refused to report and was suspended entire season, never played in NHL again.
Billy McNeill, Detroit 60-61 & 61-62, retired and missed both seasons, his rights were traded to the Rangers then back to Detroit. He returned with Detroit in 62-63.
George McPhee, NY Rangers 86-87, Shoulder injury in pre-season, missed first 42 games.
Hugh Millar, Detroit 48-49, missed entire season in contract dispute, was in minors at the time.
Ian Moran, Pittsburgh 97-98, knee injury in camp, missed first 34 games.
Ken Mosdell, Montreal 47-48, injured knee playing softball (August 1947) , missed first 33 games.
Joe Murphy, Edmonton 92-93, sat out due to contract dispute until traded to Chicago (24-2-93).
Frantisek Musil, Edmonton 99-00, spinal cord injury in camp, missed entire season.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by northjersey

Jeff, will this preset file also work for a standard game? the manual would seem to indicate it does

There's a separate presets file for the current season in the standard game already. The historical one won't do anything if you put it in the current or opening day quickstarts, all of the data in it is from 2021 or earlier.

[mochuck]

I've been pulling what hair I have left out trying to verify this.. but I could have sworn that Connie Forey of the blues was banned for life from the NHL for slugging a ref in either 73 or 74 and showed up in the WHA the very next day with no name on the back of his jersey.. I thought I remembered a ref stating that if they knew who he was then.. that the refs would have walked out in protest.. could someone help me with this?

[reverist]

Originally Posted by mochuck

I've been pulling what hair I have left out trying to verify this.. but I could have sworn that Connie Forey of the blues was banned for life from the NHL for slugging a ref in either 73 or 74 and showed up in the WHA the very next day with no name on the back of his jersey.. I thought I remembered a ref stating that if they knew who he was then.. that the refs would have walked out in protest.. could someone help me with this?

Looks like it was a minor league where he was suspended for the rest of 73-74 and all of 74-75. He did indeed play four games with the Blues and one with the WHA's Cougars. He assaulted the ref in the WHL with the Denver Spurs. He then showed up in the WHA, and then(?) apparently the NHL for four games. He played in 74-75 in the NAHL and then never again on the pro level.

Sources: https://icehockey.fandom.com/wiki/Connie_Forey

and https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...y.php?pid=8779

[jeffw3000]

Originally Posted by mochuck

I've been pulling what hair I have left out trying to verify this.. but I could have sworn that Connie Forey of the blues was banned for life from the NHL for slugging a ref in either 73 or 74 and showed up in the WHA the very next day with no name on the back of his jersey.. I thought I remembered a ref stating that if they knew who he was then.. that the refs would have walked out in protest.. could someone help me with this?

The assault of the ref was in the WHL, and he was suspended for assaulting a ref there. All other pro leagues honored the suspension. He was suspended for 73-74 season as well as 74-75. Chicago Cougars did try to play him in a game during the suspension without a name on his jersey. He played 1 game and the WHA banned him from the league when they found out he played.

[mochuck]

Thanks for the help guys.. it's good to know I'm not senile yet.. or as I usually say.. I don't have alltimers.. I have sometimers.. hehe

[Castleview]

A few more, that's everything I could find for NHL up to 02-03 season.

Graeme Nicolson, Boston 80-81, sat out entire season in contract dispute.
Colin Patterson, Calgary 90-91, knee surgery, missed entire regular season, played in 1 playoff game.
Johnny Peirson, Boston 54-55 & 55-56, retired after 53-54 season, missed entire 54-55 season, and first 28 games of 55-56 before returning.
Rich Pilon, Islanders 95-96, wrist injury during 94-95, missed first 26 games of 95-96.
Michal Pivonka, Washington 98-99, groin injury (7-2-98), missed first 29 games of 98-99.
Matt Ravlich, Chicago 67-68, leg injury (28-3-67), missed entire 67-68 regular season, returned in playoffs.
Joe Reekie, Buffalo 88-89, knee injury (11-11-87) , missed rest of 87-88 and first 43 games of 88-89.
Pascal Rheaume, St Louis 99-00 & 00-01, shoulder surgery, missed first 69 games of 99-00, and first 24 games 00-01.
Florent Robidoux, Chicago 82-83, Missed entire season due to unspecified injuries sustained in automobile accident (July 82).
Serge Savard, Montreal 70-71, leg injury (11-3-70), missed remainder of season and first 11 games of 70-71.
Serge Savard, Montreal 71-72, reinjured leg (30-1-71), missed rest of season and first 50 games of 71-72.
Richard Smehlik, Buffalo 95-96, knee surgery, missed entire season.
Ron Stern, Calgary 97-98. knee surgery, missed entire season.
Rick Tocchet, Flyers 01-02, knee injury in camp, missed first 57 games.
Sylvain Turgeon, Montreal 90-91, hernia surgery, missed first 33 games.
Wayne Van Dorp, Quebec 90-91, shoulder injury in camp, missed first 21 games.
Vladimir Vujtek, Atlanta 99-00, facial injury in pre-season, missed first 6 games, returned for 3 games, then out for season.
Behn Wilson, Chicago 86-87, back injury (5-4-86), missed entire season.
Brendan Witt, Washington 94-95, sat out entire season in contract dispute (hadn't played an NHL game at that point).
Brad Zavisha, Edmonton 92-93, knee injury in camp, missed entire season.

Tom Barrasso, Pittsburgh 94-95 , wrist surgery, missed first 43 games.
Tom Barrasso, Ottawa 00-01, sat out entire season for personal reasons.
Lorne Chabot, Montreal Maroons 35-36, knee injury in camp, missed first 32 games.
Dave Dryden, Chicago 69-70, suspended entire season for refusing to report to minors. Traded to Pittsburgh June 1970.
Stephane Fiset, LA Kings 00-01, knee injury in pre-season, missed first 25 games.

[JeffR]

Thanks again - the Iafrate-Musil list will be in the hotfix update, I'll see if I can sneak that latest one in but it may have to wait for the update after that.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by Castleview

Serge Savard, Montreal 70-71, leg injury (11-3-70), missed remainder of season and first 11 games of 70-71.
Serge Savard, Montreal 71-72, reinjured leg (30-1-71), missed rest of season and first 50 games of 71-72.

Come to think of it, he should start 81-82 late, too, he was "retired" until he signed with Winnipeg in midyear.

[JeffR]

Managed to get all of these into the hotfix. If anyone has more to contribute, keep them coming, and I'm continuing to dig through my collection of old Hockey News issues for season-start injured lists.

[Castleview]

A few more from the 2007 NHL Guide & Record Book....

Jason Allison, LA Kings 03-04, missed entire season with knee & hip injuries from 02-03 season.
Jonas Andersson, Nashville 03-04, wrist injury in camp, missed entire season.
Jared Aulin, LA Kings 03-04, shoulder injury in camp, missed entire season, except 10 games in AHL.
Scott Barney, LA Kings, missed entire 99-00. 00-01 & 01-02 seasons with back injury suffered in camp.
Ken Belanger, LA Kings 03-04, head injury (5-11-02), missed remainder of 02-03 and all of 03-04 season.
Eric Boguniecki, St Louis 03-04, shoulder injury in camp, missed first 35 games.
Tyler Bouck, Vancouver 05-06, groin injury in camp, missed first 46 games.
Tim Connolly, Buffalo 03-04, head injury in pre-season game, missed entire season.
Joe Corvo, LA Kings 99-00, sat out entire season in contract dispute.
Patrik Elias, Devils 05-06, missed first 39 games after contracting hepatitis-a.
Mike Fisher, Ottawa 03-04, elbow injury in camp, missed first 33 games.
Dany Heatley, Atlanta 03-04, missed first 54 games following automobile accident (29-9-03).
Bryan Helmer, Phoenix 03-04, shoulder injury in camp, missed first 64 games.
Andy Hilbert, Boston 03-04, groin injury in pre-season, missed first 57 games.
Niklas Kronwall, Detroit 05-06, knee surgery, missed first 52 games.
Mike LeClerc, Anaheim 03-04, knee surgery, missed first 55 games.
Brad May, Phoenix 02-03, shoulder injury in pre-season, missed first 44 games.
Owen Nolan, Toronto 05-06, knee surgery, missed entire season.
Brad Norton, LA Kings 03-04, arm injury in pre-season, missed first 37 games.
Michael Nylander, Washington 03-04, leg injury in camp, missed first 63 games.
Scott Parker, San Jose 05-06, facial injury in pre-season, missed first 19 games.
Serge Payer, Florida 01-02, back injury in camp, missed entire NHL season, played 20 games in Utah (AHL).
Chris Pronger, St Louis 02-03, wrist & knee surgery, missed first 77 games.
Gary Roberts, Toronto 02-03, shoulder surgery, missed first 57 games.
Todd Rohloff, Washington 01-02, ankle injury in pre-season, missed first 43 games.
Michal Rozsival, Pittsburgh 03-04, knee injury in camp, missed entire season except for 1 game in AHL.
Denis Shvidki, Florida 01-02, head injury in pre-season, missed first 24 games.
Sheldon Souray, Montreal 02-03, wrist injury (17-11-01), missed remainder of season and entire 02-03 season.
Scott Thornton, San Jose 02-03, shoulder injury in camp, missed first 14 games.
R.J.Umberger, Vancouver 03-04, sat out entire season in contract dispute, traded to NY Rangers 9-3-04.
Matt Walker, St Louis 03-04, groin injury in camp, missed first 56 games.
Alex Zhamnov, Boston 05-06, shoulder injury in camp, missed first 17 games.

Brian Finley, Nashville 01-02, groin injury in camp, missed entire season.
Jani Hurme, Florida 03-04, back injury in camp , missed entire season (also missed entire 04-05).

Note: Is the 2002 entry listed for Michael Peca correct, it looks like he played 66 games for the Islanders in 2002-03?

[JeffR]

Peca was out until early November that year, Darcy Tucker blew his knee out in the 02 playoffs with a low hit.

I'd forgotten the guide had that data, time to ruin my eyes searching through my old ones from the 80's.