Huge swings in player ratings!

The_Niddler · 09-18-2022, 01:16 AM

Why did we introduce huge swings in player ratings again?
You fixed it back in like OOTP21, but now it is back in 23.

No way OSA should see a player as 20/78 and then a scout see him as 20/30!

Come on Man!

Brad K · 09-18-2022, 01:56 AM

"No way OSA should see a player as 20/78 and then a scout see him as 20/30!"

Why not?

locuspc · 09-18-2022, 02:12 AM

"Come on man" isn't an argument, it's an intellectual void. Do you have a reason for your position you'd like to share?

LansdowneSt · 09-18-2022, 05:59 PM

https://youtu.be/a9SlDiwp7ek

You don't know...

PSUColonel · 09-18-2022, 09:11 PM

yes, but everyone agreed Beane was a top prospect...the issue isn't that prospects shouldn't always pan out. The issue is that scouts just would never be that far apart on their opinion. I agree...it's unrealistic. This was fixed, and I think re-introduced (on some level) because the pedgelum went to far to the other side. Now there are probably some cases (not as many as before) where this happens. I don't think they quite have it in the perfect spot yet.

LansdowneSt · 09-18-2022, 09:21 PM

It's all in the contact and eye skills. What does each scout value? The accuracy levels are different. If OSA and our scout can't be off by this much, what's the point of having our own scouts in the game? Of having a scouting budget? Of getting accurate, recent reports? I'll just use OSA then and spend the scouting budget on free agents if they "must" always be so close...

Play it out. See what he becomes.

PSUColonel · 09-18-2022, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

It's all in the contact and eye skills. What does each scout value? The accuracy levels are different. If OSA and our scout can't be off by this much, what's the point of having our own scouts in the game? Of having a scouting budget? Of getting accurate, recent reports? I'll just use OSA then and spend the scouting budget on free agents if they "must" always be so close...

Play it out. See what he becomes.

I agree that these tools can be more subjective to some extent, but I don't think to the extent in this example.

krownroyal83 · 09-18-2022, 09:27 PM

Scouting accuracy is average vs very high between the two scouts. This could play a factor

LansdowneSt · 09-18-2022, 09:27 PM

I think one player and one posting and this level of difference between scouts is what we want. The game is not awash in such differences. Some scouts get it wrong. They don't know and I hope that just like a player can play at the high or low end of his zips projection a scout can come in dead on or off - like real life.

https://www.audacy.com/national/spor...outing-reports

fredbeene · 09-18-2022, 11:41 PM

Fire your scout and get a new one?

Brad K · 09-19-2022, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

It's all in the contact and eye skills. What does each scout value?

Right. And long time Pirate scout Howie Haak valued contract and ignored eye (and power). That's why the 70s Pirates ended up as a free swinging singles team with a poor OBP. How could Haak give anyone an accurate eye rating when he didn't care about it?

The same sort of thing would apply to a scout looking at power and ignoring contact. He'd sign Dave Kingman not Tony Gwynn.

Matt Arnold · 09-19-2022, 05:02 AM

Especially among very raw players, scouting reports can differ wildly. Like if the above guy was Kevin Maitan, when he was first signed the consensus was that he was one of the top international prospects in a generation. Yet he's only barely hit AA this year. Your scout could very easily be right in thinking that there was something in their profile they didn't like, and telling you to stay away.

It's a very different story in the majors. Like, it would be a problem if one scout had Trout with 80/80 power, and someone else was like "nah, just because he keeps hitting 40 HR a year doesn't mean he's a real power threat". But prospects? Yeah, they should vary a lot.

Pelican · 09-20-2022, 04:07 PM

I keep coming back to the experience of seeing a young LHP on my son’s high school team, who could throw 90 mph plus with control and movement. Multiple scouts would come to his games with their radar guns, clock a few fastballs, and then move on to the next assignment. No doubt they graded him very highly. And yes, they were “cross checked” by other scouts with radar guns (“yep, still above ninety….”). He went on to pitch at Stanford; but not professionally. Lots of reasons. My point (finally!) is that he would have graded out very high at 18, pitching 15 or 20 games in Delaware. Scouts may have loved him; but no one knew how far he could go, or how he would develop. Some dour old scouts may have graded him much lower, and ultimately they were right - at least in terms of his ultimate potential. So I guess IRL and in OOTP “reasonable minds can differ”.

09-18-2022, 01:16 AM	#1
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09-20-2022, 04:07 PM	#13
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,964	I keep coming back to the experience of seeing a young LHP on my son’s high school team, who could throw 90 mph plus with control and movement. Multiple scouts would come to his games with their radar guns, clock a few fastballs, and then move on to the next assignment. No doubt they graded him very highly. And yes, they were “cross checked” by other scouts with radar guns (“yep, still above ninety….”). He went on to pitch at Stanford; but not professionally. Lots of reasons. My point (finally!) is that he would have graded out very high at 18, pitching 15 or 20 games in Delaware. Scouts may have loved him; but no one knew how far he could go, or how he would develop. Some dour old scouts may have graded him much lower, and ultimately they were right - at least in terms of his ultimate potential. So I guess IRL and in OOTP “reasonable minds can differ”. Last edited by Pelican; 09-20-2022 at 04:08 PM. Reason: Typo

09-18-2022, 01:56 AM	#2
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	"No way OSA should see a player as 20/78 and then a scout see him as 20/30!" Why not?

09-18-2022, 02:12 AM	#3
locuspc Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 301	"Come on man" isn't an argument, it's an intellectual void. Do you have a reason for your position you'd like to share?

09-18-2022, 09:11 PM	#5
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,105	yes, but everyone agreed Beane was a top prospect...the issue isn't that prospects shouldn't always pan out. The issue is that scouts just would never be that far apart on their opinion. I agree...it's unrealistic. This was fixed, and I think re-introduced (on some level) because the pedgelum went to far to the other side. Now there are probably some cases (not as many as before) where this happens. I don't think they quite have it in the perfect spot yet.

09-18-2022, 09:21 PM	#6
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,465	It's all in the contact and eye skills. What does each scout value? The accuracy levels are different. If OSA and our scout can't be off by this much, what's the point of having our own scouts in the game? Of having a scouting budget? Of getting accurate, recent reports? I'll just use OSA then and spend the scouting budget on free agents if they "must" always be so close... Play it out. See what he becomes.

09-18-2022, 09:27 PM	#8
krownroyal83 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 955	Scouting accuracy is average vs very high between the two scouts. This could play a factor

09-18-2022, 11:41 PM	#10
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,624	Fire your scout and get a new one?

09-19-2022, 05:02 AM	#12
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,834	Especially among very raw players, scouting reports can differ wildly. Like if the above guy was Kevin Maitan, when he was first signed the consensus was that he was one of the top international prospects in a generation. Yet he's only barely hit AA this year. Your scout could very easily be right in thinking that there was something in their profile they didn't like, and telling you to stay away. It's a very different story in the majors. Like, it would be a problem if one scout had Trout with 80/80 power, and someone else was like "nah, just because he keeps hitting 40 HR a year doesn't mean he's a real power threat". But prospects? Yeah, they should vary a lot.