Fill team with fictional players doesn't work

OutS|der · 09-02-2022, 04:22 PM

No matter what I try I can't get this to fill the rosters of any player in my feeder leagues. It always leaves each team players short. Even more odd is I can to each team and try to fill the rosters that way and it'll add a single player each time till it hits a random setting and stops filling the roster no matter what. Running ask the Ai to set up does nothing.

Seems to work if they aren't feeders. Strange

OutS|der · 09-03-2022, 08:31 AM

Cam this get moved to the bug forum? Appears to be a bug back from OOTP16.

No matter what I try it's not creating enough players to fill the rosters. Some teams it'll creates only like 4 batters and refuses to create anymore. It's also ignoring any roster age limits when creating players either. So not filling some teams, while filling others and then ignoring any age limits as well. Also have to run fill rosters multiple times with the game only adding a few players per team per run.

TC Dale · 09-03-2022, 11:37 AM

Moved per request.

Bluenoser · 09-03-2022, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TC Dale

Moved per request.

Wrong Bug Forum

OutS|der · 09-05-2022, 11:59 PM

So can we get this moved to the correct forum and some help on this?

Can't play my league since I can't fill the rosters. Not really interested in adding players to a few hundred teams. Can we get this fixed please. It's only been a bug for 7 versions now.

OutS|der · 09-06-2022, 12:01 AM

No matter what I try I can't get this to fill the rosters of any player in my feeder leagues. It always leaves each team players short. Even more odd is I can to each team and try to fill the rosters that way and it'll add a single player each time till it hits a random setting and stops filling the roster no matter what. Running ask the Ai to set up does nothing.

No matter what I try it's not creating enough players to fill the rosters. Some teams it'll creates only like 4 batters and refuses to create anymore. It's also ignoring any roster age limits when creating players either. So not filling some teams, while filling others and then ignoring any age limits as well. Also have to run fill rosters multiple times with the game only adding a few players per team per run.

Can't play my league since I can't fill the rosters. Not really interested in adding players to a few hundred teams. Can we get this fixed please. It's only been a bug for 7 versions now.

Markus Heinsohn · 09-06-2022, 03:53 AM

I will have a look at this. The age limits are likely the problem...

Markus Heinsohn · 09-06-2022, 04:43 AM

OK, I can not reproduce the problem, so we will need the league files.

Matt Arnold · 09-06-2022, 06:14 AM

Adding on a little more, when we fill teams it will fill teams according to the settings in the Stats&AI tab re: Starting Rotation Size/Number of Relievers/Number of Position Players. So if those are set to, say 5, 7, and 13, then when you use the fill with fictional players, it will make sure there are 5 starters, 7 relievers, and 13 position players. So even if your active roster limit is higher (at 30 or 35), it won't tend to fill past the stats settings.

It should fill based on the age set in the league, however depending on when exactly you're filling, it could create slightly younger or older to fit the HS/College class structure, and for example, if you fill in February may create younger players who will be older by the time the season starts or the draft rolls around.

But yes, if you're seeing something outside of that, uploading your league file should show the exact setup you're using and that's the best way to see why it may not be filling as expected.

OutS|der · 09-06-2022, 09:07 AM

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I’ll look into it more when I get a chance and send in the league files.

Even with age limits should it not fill the team up fully, including reserve rosters?

Matt Arnold · 09-06-2022, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I’ll look into it more when I get a chance and send in the league files.

Even with age limits should it not fill the team up fully, including reserve rosters?

It will fill it up to what you have specified in those settings. So it won't pad out reserve rosters or fill out to the max active roster limit, unless if those roster players/roster relievers settings are set to fill out the teams

OutS|der · 09-06-2022, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

It will fill it up to what you have specified in those settings. So it won't pad out reserve rosters or fill out to the max active roster limit, unless if those roster players/roster relievers settings are set to fill out the teams

I think that's where the issue is coming from. Quickly checking one League with player limit of 22 on main and 28 in reserve, 5 man rotation with 6 relivers and 11 position players. The fill rosters filled up the main roster with those numbers, the problem is no reserve rosters are created so when the AI does it job on the rosters it demotes some players to the reserve roster thereby leaving the main team without enough players.

Team starts with 22 players with the correct mix, AI sets the rosters and demotes 17 of them leaving them with 5 starting pitchers and nothing else. As there is no setting for ghost players in a feeder league I'm screwed.

I assumed it would also if not fill the reserve rosters, at the very least put enough players on it so you don't run into the game breaking issue of not enough players.

Since the Stats & AI settings limits me total to 6 starters, 8 relivers and 17 position that barely provides enough players.

Is there no way to have the AI fill out the reserve rosters as well?

Matt Arnold · 09-06-2022, 02:41 PM

It's likely best if you set the active limit larger, and then set the roster relievers/position players settings higher, and then fill the teams, and then you can reset the active limit back afterwards.

Why it then demotes everyone, there must be another factor at play. Did you have a foreigner restriction, but when filling the team filled with the opposite type of player (ie. in the league settings, I believe you can select whether foreigner restrictions are based on league or team rules. When filling the teams, I believe you are given the option to select the nationality of the filled players)

We can certainly look at whether we can be a little more generous with filling rosters. It's always a balancing act, though, and every league and universe tends to have its own way to do things that can cause issues. We don't want universes bloating out too much, but also obviously don't want teams running out of players either.

09-02-2022, 04:22 PM	#1
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,763 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Fill team with fictional players doesn't work No matter what I try I can't get this to fill the rosters of any player in my feeder leagues. It always leaves each team players short. Even more odd is I can to each team and try to fill the rosters that way and it'll add a single player each time till it hits a random setting and stops filling the roster no matter what. Running ask the Ai to set up does nothing. Seems to work if they aren't feeders. Strange Last edited by OutS\|der; 09-02-2022 at 05:12 PM.

09-03-2022, 08:31 AM	#2
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,763 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Cam this get moved to the bug forum? Appears to be a bug back from OOTP16. No matter what I try it's not creating enough players to fill the rosters. Some teams it'll creates only like 4 batters and refuses to create anymore. It's also ignoring any roster age limits when creating players either. So not filling some teams, while filling others and then ignoring any age limits as well. Also have to run fill rosters multiple times with the game only adding a few players per team per run. Last edited by OutS\|der; 09-03-2022 at 09:09 AM.

09-03-2022, 11:37 AM	#3
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,983	Moved per request. __________________ ----------------------------------

09-06-2022, 12:01 AM	#6
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,763 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Bug since OOTP16 Fill team with fictional players doesn't work No matter what I try I can't get this to fill the rosters of any player in my feeder leagues. It always leaves each team players short. Even more odd is I can to each team and try to fill the rosters that way and it'll add a single player each time till it hits a random setting and stops filling the roster no matter what. Running ask the Ai to set up does nothing. No matter what I try it's not creating enough players to fill the rosters. Some teams it'll creates only like 4 batters and refuses to create anymore. It's also ignoring any roster age limits when creating players either. So not filling some teams, while filling others and then ignoring any age limits as well. Also have to run fill rosters multiple times with the game only adding a few players per team per run. Can't play my league since I can't fill the rosters. Not really interested in adding players to a few hundred teams. Can we get this fixed please. It's only been a bug for 7 versions now.

09-06-2022, 03:53 AM	#7
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	I will have a look at this. The age limits are likely the problem... __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

09-05-2022, 11:59 PM	#5
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,763 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	So can we get this moved to the correct forum and some help on this? Can't play my league since I can't fill the rosters. Not really interested in adding players to a few hundred teams. Can we get this fixed please. It's only been a bug for 7 versions now.

09-06-2022, 04:43 AM	#8
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	OK, I can not reproduce the problem, so we will need the league files. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

09-06-2022, 06:14 AM	#9
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,243	Adding on a little more, when we fill teams it will fill teams according to the settings in the Stats&AI tab re: Starting Rotation Size/Number of Relievers/Number of Position Players. So if those are set to, say 5, 7, and 13, then when you use the fill with fictional players, it will make sure there are 5 starters, 7 relievers, and 13 position players. So even if your active roster limit is higher (at 30 or 35), it won't tend to fill past the stats settings. It should fill based on the age set in the league, however depending on when exactly you're filling, it could create slightly younger or older to fit the HS/College class structure, and for example, if you fill in February may create younger players who will be older by the time the season starts or the draft rolls around. But yes, if you're seeing something outside of that, uploading your league file should show the exact setup you're using and that's the best way to see why it may not be filling as expected.

09-06-2022, 09:07 AM	#10
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,763 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Thanks for the detailed explanation. I’ll look into it more when I get a chance and send in the league files. Even with age limits should it not fill the team up fully, including reserve rosters?

09-06-2022, 02:41 PM	#13
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,243	It's likely best if you set the active limit larger, and then set the roster relievers/position players settings higher, and then fill the teams, and then you can reset the active limit back afterwards. Why it then demotes everyone, there must be another factor at play. Did you have a foreigner restriction, but when filling the team filled with the opposite type of player (ie. in the league settings, I believe you can select whether foreigner restrictions are based on league or team rules. When filling the teams, I believe you are given the option to select the nationality of the filled players) We can certainly look at whether we can be a little more generous with filling rosters. It's always a balancing act, though, and every league and universe tends to have its own way to do things that can cause issues. We don't want universes bloating out too much, but also obviously don't want teams running out of players either.