Thanks for making it real

[dcordash]

Diaz came 2 blown saves short of the all-time record for blown saves in a season -14. But, since 5 closers actually share the record of 14 BS 40+ years ago (back in the 70's/80's when closers pitched 2 plus innings and, naturally, would be more likely to blow 14 saves) it's perfectly plausible


It's perfectly plausible that, arguably the best closer in the game, in his prime, could almost match it while never pitching more than 1 inning. Diaz and his 5/5 stars (I still wonder if those stars mean anything in this game). Oh yeah, he had a down right studly ERA of 6.33.

Someone needs to really argue that, "Geesh Dcordash you're a fool for rolling this guy out there in the 9th inning after his 8th or 9th blown save". And, I would say, I'm a fool all right..for continuing to believe in this game.

I'm attaching his stats for the year and what the franchise still owes this 29 year old that appears to be done. I'm just going to release him and eat the $23 million. Figure it fits the tenor of the game in general. And close the book on the 2023 version of OOTP.

[Sweed]

[md40022]

Is this your homework, Larry?

[DJ_Jak_32]

Any good manager would have taken him out of the closer role at that point.....but it's the game's fault, not yours......

[Dutch Alexander]

It happens.

[md40022]

They need to patch this

[brotherblues]

I have a similar situation in my current save, but with actual good pitchers. My setup guy has 9 blown saves halfway through the season, and his ERA isn't actually bad (110 ERA+, 84 FIP-). My closer too... he has blown 6 (on pace for 12) despite being lights out with a 238 ERA+ and 69 FIP-. Team defense is fantastic, though middle of the pack in errors, which is a contributor but still.

Anyway, these things happen. Other seasons it goes in your favor.

[low]

Originally Posted by md40022

They need to patch this

[tm1681]

Originally Posted by dcordash

Diaz came 2 blown saves short of the all-time record for blown saves in a season -14. But, since 5 closers actually share the record of 14 BS 40+ years ago (back in the 70's/80's when closers pitched 2 plus innings and, naturally, would be more likely to blow 14 saves) it's perfectly plausible


It's perfectly plausible that, arguably the best closer in the game, in his prime, could almost match it while never pitching more than 1 inning. Diaz and his 5/5 stars (I still wonder if those stars mean anything in this game). Oh yeah, he had a down right studly ERA of 6.33.

Someone needs to really argue that, "Geesh Dcordash you're a fool for rolling this guy out there in the 9th inning after his 8th or 9th blown save". And, I would say, I'm a fool all right..for continuing to believe in this game.

I'm attaching his stats for the year and what the franchise still owes this 29 year old that appears to be done. I'm just going to release him and eat the $23 million. Figure it fits the tenor of the game in general. And close the book on the 2023 version of OOTP.

So your main complaint here, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that a closer who's allowed 14 home runs in 58 innings, and has allowed 15 home runs in a season in real life, is blowing a lot of saves?

[jaa36]

In my save a while back, Diaz had an ERA of 1.96 one year, then 5.59 the next, then 1.75 the following year. I'm pretty sure they've had the "Diaz randomly sucks" code in place since at least a few versions ago.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by md40022

They need to patch this

[md40022]

I'm just going to throw something out there.....

He's got the "cold" icon next to his name. This means he is slumping and his ratings are suffering for the worse. Depending on if you have your morale settings on or off, his poor performance could be a personal morale issue too. So technically, this guy could have 2 things affecting his performance negatively -- but at the bare minimum you gotta shake that cold icon.

Having a cold closer is suicide. He's going to be terrible for you. So, as others have stated, stop using as a closer in important situations. Use someone else to close for a while and only use Diaz in situations where he's facing the bottom of the order or in situations where he's not coming in with guys on base. Basically, treat him as your worst reliever. Give him a mop-up inning here and there against the 7,8, 9 hitters.... because you need to string a few good outings together or he's never going to shake the cold icon.

Based on the fact that you've been complaining about this forever, I'm guessing he's probably been cold for a while and his personal performance morale is probably in the toilet and people have been using that toilet for a while....... So, you have a major rehab project on your hands at this point. Enjoy.

Or, you can just keep rolling him out there as your closer, facing the meat of the lineup with men on base.... and well......

[billyray1984]

His babip is .400, his K/9 and BB/9 are bad and he has allowed 14hr, why is he still your closer ? How is your defense if his babip so high ?

It's also very true that stars don't mean anything and you shouldn't use them to assess a player value or future performance.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by billyray1984

His babip is .400, his K/9 and BB/9 are bad and he has allowed 14hr, why is he still your closer ? How is your defense if his babip so high ?

It's also very true that stars don't mean anything and you shouldn't use them to assess a player value or future performance.

All I can say here is a pitcher that has been "cold" for a while is going to get tattooed more often than not. You really got to handle him with kid's gloves to shake the slump. Pulling him at the perfect times. Using him in situations where he's more likely to be successful. Etc.

Based on the fact that the OP has been complaining about Diaz being bad for the better part of forever - my guess is he's been cold forever and he just kept rolling him out there in high leverage situations - which will end disastrously more often than not.

My other question would be what is the league-wide BABIP for the year, because myself and one or two others have had issue where auto-calc really got the modifiers out of whack and turned the entire league into home-run derby. So, I'd be curious if it's a league wide thing or not. But assuming that league wide BABIP is normal and it's just an Edwin Diaz thing - as much as he doesn't want to hear it, this has been a product of poor managing. Pitchers with cold icons need to be managed very carefully - not just thrown out there in the 9th inning of close games constantly.

And on a complete side note.... my personal opinion is Edwin Diaz frankly isn't nearly as good as the OP thinks he is.

[OutS|der]

OP needs to learn what sample size is, also why is he still your closer?
What’s more plausible the game is broken or the OP is a bad manager for throwing Diaz out there so much.

Anyone else would of sat him or moved someone else into that role but of course you can’t make a thread on how broken the game is if you used common sense and changed roles.

It’s like taking a guy who’s rated terrible at stealing then forcing him to steal all the time and then complaining he gets caught too much.

Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of crazy

[Marinersfan51]

I agree that it is completely unrealistic for Edwin Diaz to suddenly go from the best closer in the game with a sub 2 ERA and 50+ saves to a meltdown machine with a 5+ ERA and a sky-high BABIP and HR rate. This needs to be patched ASAP as it clearly isn't applying the "can't handle the New York media" modifier at the right times.

[damientheomen3]

better luck next year doordash

[tejdog1]

I had this same issue with this same pitcher. Some braindead mongrel idiot traded like... half my farm system for Diaz, and his first season with the team, he gave up 200 homers and had a 5+ era

[PSUColonel]

I don't understand why people like this (original poster) even bother with a simulation like OOTP. It's obvious he is a very casual gamer type who doesn't understand this is a simulator where things can and do go badly. (just as in actual baseball)

[Pdubya64]

Remember folks, this is not Strat-O-Matic where players play using only their stats and nothing more.
If you want a more historic stats-only outcome, OOTP is not for you.