Historical Replay (Players retire but still play)

jbergey22 · 07-20-2022, 12:35 AM

I did a real MLB sim starting in 1915 with real lineups and transactions. A couple of players, one of them was Jackie Robinson, didn't retire when they were suppose to and stayed on as a bench player until the age of 52 when I noticed it and unretired him, then retired him again and he was done. I had another guy that had played 60 seasons before I noticed it and did the same with him.

These players were listed as retired but still were playing in a bench role.

I am guessing a few others snuck through still playing. I noticed Jackie Robinson because he is Jackie Robinson and the other guy after playing 60 seasons started creeping up on the hits leaderboard before I noticed that one.

jbergey22 · 07-23-2022, 09:26 AM

Ken Williams playing at the age of 125

Erosa · 07-23-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I did a real MLB sim starting in 1915 with real lineups and transactions. A couple of players, one of them was Jackie Robinson, didn't retire when they were suppose to and stayed on as a bench player until the age of 52 when I noticed it and unretired him, then retired him again and he was done. I had another guy that had played 60 seasons before I noticed it and did the same with him.

These players were listed as retired but still were playing in a bench role.

I am guessing a few others snuck through still playing. I noticed Jackie Robinson because he is Jackie Robinson and the other guy after playing 60 seasons started creeping up on the hits leaderboard before I noticed that one.

Was this just using historical lineups and transactions or were you using historical minors as well? I experienced this when I used historical transactions with historical minors and Jackie was still pinch hitting for the Dodgers in 1997.

Lukas Berger · 07-23-2022, 01:08 PM

You can get some weird stuff happening when using historical minors with historical transactions, which is why we clearly state on the setup screen that these options are not recommended to be used together.

That being said, this is something we should be able to fix up.

Lukas Berger · 07-23-2022, 02:22 PM

Do you by any chance have the option to 'prevent AI moves' checked or any other custom options that differ from the default?

jbergey22 · 07-23-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Do you by any chance have the option to 'prevent AI moves' checked or any other custom options that differ from the default?

No minors. Very basic setup. A very high majority of the players retire correctly and dont play anymore. Just a few like these sneak through. Around 20 in the 100 years I simmed.

Everything is default except I changed it to 3 year recalc instead of 1.

The results are great in the 100 years of past history. Rickey Henderson and Nolan Ryan(outliers) performed even more impressively than their already amazing career but most players landed with 3 percent of their career numbers. I was impressed.

jbergey22 · 07-23-2022, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Erosa

Was this just using historical lineups and transactions or were you using historical minors as well? I experienced this when I used historical transactions with historical minors and Jackie was still pinch hitting for the Dodgers in 1997.

I did not use minors.

jbergey22 · 07-23-2022, 05:43 PM

Here is a listing of some of the retired but still playing names in case there is something to do with the names. (Sorted by games played)

Reed · 07-24-2022, 01:57 PM

Probably a silly question but do you have “retire according to history” checked? I think you do since they retired once.

jbergey22 · 07-24-2022, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reed

Probably a silly question but do you have “retire according to history” checked? I think you do since they retired once.

No silly questions in regards to this bug. Yes, it was checked. The players that seem to keep playing seem random so Im not sure how they might find the bug. It doesnt make a lot of sense since they are retired to still be on the bench.

Matt Arnold · 07-25-2022, 05:52 AM

Yes, it looks like there may be some cases where a historical transaction tries to bring a player back from retirement. We can certainly correct that for the next patch. Did you have any other settings enabled in the historical setup?

jbergey22 · 07-25-2022, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yes, it looks like there may be some cases where a historical transaction tries to bring a player back from retirement. We can certainly correct that for the next patch. Did you have any other settings enabled in the historical setup?

No, just the basic setup other than changing it to 3 year recalc with double weight on current season. I started in 1915.

jbergey22 · 07-25-2022, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Yes, it looks like there may be some cases where a historical transaction tries to bring a player back from retirement. We can certainly correct that for the next patch. Did you have any other settings enabled in the historical setup?

The player is listed as retired but they come off the bench and play. Retired isn't clearing them from the active players it would appear.

I can manually make them retire by unretiring them, and then going back to retire them. That will clear them out.

07-20-2022, 12:35 AM	#1
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Historical Replay (Players retire but still play) I did a real MLB sim starting in 1915 with real lineups and transactions. A couple of players, one of them was Jackie Robinson, didn't retire when they were suppose to and stayed on as a bench player until the age of 52 when I noticed it and unretired him, then retired him again and he was done. I had another guy that had played 60 seasons before I noticed it and did the same with him. These players were listed as retired but still were playing in a bench role. I am guessing a few others snuck through still playing. I noticed Jackie Robinson because he is Jackie Robinson and the other guy after playing 60 seasons started creeping up on the hits leaderboard before I noticed that one. Last edited by jbergey22; 07-20-2022 at 12:41 AM.

07-23-2022, 09:26 AM	#2
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Ken Williams playing at the age of 125 Attached Images

07-23-2022, 01:08 PM	#4
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,248	You can get some weird stuff happening when using historical minors with historical transactions, which is why we clearly state on the setup screen that these options are not recommended to be used together. That being said, this is something we should be able to fix up. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Buy Out of the Park Baseball 27! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

07-23-2022, 02:22 PM	#5
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,248	Do you by any chance have the option to 'prevent AI moves' checked or any other custom options that differ from the default? __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Buy Out of the Park Baseball 27! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

07-23-2022, 05:43 PM	#8
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Here is a listing of some of the retired but still playing names in case there is something to do with the names. (Sorted by games played) Attached Images Last edited by jbergey22; 07-23-2022 at 05:45 PM.

07-24-2022, 01:57 PM	#9
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,716	Probably a silly question but do you have “retire according to history” checked? I think you do since they retired once.

07-25-2022, 05:52 AM	#11
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,274	Yes, it looks like there may be some cases where a historical transaction tries to bring a player back from retirement. We can certainly correct that for the next patch. Did you have any other settings enabled in the historical setup?