Database Player Weight Reviews, Corrections & Requests

LansdowneSt · 02-03-2022, 08:46 PM

In working through and updating many of the facegens, I have come across numerous players that, because of the in-game effect of height & weight, cannot have reasonably accurate facegens.

For example, when creating a facegen, a heavyset individual has an fg file that already accounts for their weight - as it should. The face becomes comically large and wide, however, once the fg is put in the game because the game itself also adds weight to the face based on the player's weight (relative to his height). So, the weight is added twice. Even when one adjusts the fg file and makes it radically gaunt to counteract this in-game extra weight addition, it is never enough to overcome the auto-weight gain.

There are also times where the in-game weight is unusually low, or the height/weight is simply incorrect and the facegen also suffers accordingly.

In this thread, I'll call out players that have this issue. It is my hope that the OOTP Database team will consult this thread every so often and consider revising the weights in the database, as appropriate. The sticky thread on Historic Databases Issues is where I had put a few requests previously but that's too important a thread for things such as this. It is nonetheless still important to get the weight to a level that is both reasonably accurate (relatively speaking because weight can fluctuate over the course of a career) and where the facegens don't look ridiculous when people play the game.

Here's the first example:

Paul Goldschmidt (goldspa01) has an OOTP weight of 245 lbs. bRef has his weight at 220 lbs. Fangraphs has his weight at 220 lbs. His height in all cases is 6' 3". Below is the facegen at 245 lbs and then again at 220 lbs. Please consider changing the database to 220 lbs.

LansdowneSt · 02-03-2022, 08:56 PM

Here's one where the player weight in OOTP appears too low.

Wandy Rodriguez (rodriwa01) has an OOTP weight of 160 lbs and height of 5' 11". bRef has a weight of 195 lbs and height of 5' 11". Fangraphs has a weight of 195 lbs and height of 5' 10".

Below is the facegen showing him at the OOTP weight of 160lbs and then at the consensus weight of 195lbs. In both cases, the height is 5' 11". Please consider adjusting the database to reflect 195lbs.

LansdowneSt · 02-05-2022, 04:29 PM

Delino Deshields Jr. (deshide02) also has a weight issue. bRef and Fangraphs have both 5' 9" for height. OOTP does as well. The weight in both bRef and Fangraphs is 190 lbs but OOTP's database has him at 210 lbs.

The image below is a facegen at 210lbs (left) and then the same at 190 lbs. The 190 lbs plumps him up plenty as it is. Please consider revising the OOTP database to align with bRef & Facegen for him and to allow a more representative fg. Thanks

LansdowneSt · 02-09-2022, 10:51 PM

David Freese imports at 220lbs in the game but bRef and Fangraphs both have him at 213lbs. Those seven pounds make a big difference to my eye on the facegen. I can't overcome the 220lbs but he looks fine at the 213lbs found in the typical databases for such things. In fact, at the adjusted 213lbs, there is even room to widen him slightly in the fg software but doing that now just results in more bloat at the 220lbs.

Request a change in weight for David Freese (freesda01) to align with bRef and Fangraphs published weight. Thanks for considering,

percolaten · 02-10-2022, 03:06 PM

Vlad as well. The game, bRef and Fangraphs have him at 6'3, 235. One on the left is the default at 235, one on the right is adjusted to 200.

LansdowneSt · 02-10-2022, 04:54 PM

I think it is tricker to request adjustments to the weight if bRef, Fangraphs and OOTP are all in alignment at the higher weight. For example, it is possible that the facegen itself just needs to be thinned in the fg software to get to a better result in the in-game fg result. 235lbs is better for sure on a 6'3" individual as the game at least does take the height and weight together into consideration.

Whether it's a baseball player, Elvis, or our own selves, we are all at different weights at different times. For Vlad, it would be useful to go back and look at the back of his baseball card every year as someone like Topps (that has a card every year) is pulling from MLB or Union sources as they make the cards. If peak Vlad is a lower weight, it would be helpful to know that and see when it changes. But if it is 235lbs consistently throughout his career - and OOTP and the two stats sites all align - I don't think we can appeal it just for the sake of the facegen look. I think it would be on creators like us to do the best we can to adjust the file in that case.

percolaten · 02-10-2022, 05:41 PM

Agreed! I'd love to contribute my own facegen creations, but from what I understand, the best facegen software is not available for Mac.

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I think it is tricker to request adjustments to the weight if bRef, Fangraphs and OOTP are all in alignment at the higher weight. For example, it is possible that the facegen itself just needs to be thinned in the fg software to get to a better result in the in-game fg result. 235lbs is better for sure on a 6'3" individual as the game at least does take the height and weight together into consideration.

Whether it's a baseball player, Elvis, or our own selves, we are all at different weights at different times. For Vlad, it would be useful to go back and look at the back of his baseball card every year as someone like Topps (that has a card every year) is pulling from MLB or Union sources as they make the cards. If peak Vlad is a lower weight, it would be helpful to know that and see when it changes. But if it is 235lbs consistently throughout his career - and OOTP and the two stats sites all align - I don't think we can appeal it just for the sake of the facegen look. I think it would be on creators like us to do the best we can to adjust the file in that case.

LansdowneSt · 02-11-2022, 08:21 PM

Esmil Rogers (rogeres01) imports in OOTP at 185cm (6'1") and 150lbs and appears emaciated. bRef and Fangraphs have him listed at 190cm (6'3") and 200lbs and the pictures on-line of him make that much more realistic.

Request consideration to correct to his height and weight to align with bRef and Fangraphs listings. The same facegen file of him at the OOTP height/weight is on the left and the corrected one on the right. Thanks,

02-10-2022, 03:06 PM	#5
percolaten All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: West Posts: 763	Vlad as well. The game, bRef and Fangraphs have him at 6'3, 235. One on the left is the default at 235, one on the right is adjusted to 200. Attached Images Last edited by percolaten; 02-10-2022 at 03:07 PM.

02-10-2022, 04:54 PM	#6
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,716	I think it is tricker to request adjustments to the weight if bRef, Fangraphs and OOTP are all in alignment at the higher weight. For example, it is possible that the facegen itself just needs to be thinned in the fg software to get to a better result in the in-game fg result. 235lbs is better for sure on a 6'3" individual as the game at least does take the height and weight together into consideration. Whether it's a baseball player, Elvis, or our own selves, we are all at different weights at different times. For Vlad, it would be useful to go back and look at the back of his baseball card every year as someone like Topps (that has a card every year) is pulling from MLB or Union sources as they make the cards. If peak Vlad is a lower weight, it would be helpful to know that and see when it changes. But if it is 235lbs consistently throughout his career - and OOTP and the two stats sites all align - I don't think we can appeal it just for the sake of the facegen look. I think it would be on creators like us to do the best we can to adjust the file in that case.