Historical Bug - No players shown left in draft, then Federov/Zubov taken round 9??

belial1134 · 01-17-2022, 03:21 AM

Historical mode. 1988-1989 season...

No players are left showing available in the draft, I click on AI pick to sim past it (I also did AI Finish draft) and I start noticing players like Zubov and Federov are being taken in round 9!

I reloaded the save and did the draft about 7 times and this happened every time.

What gives? Why would they not be listed and how could they be taken when there were no players left to take to begin with?

JeffR · 01-19-2022, 02:05 PM

I'm not sure what that could be, can you upload the save?

belial1134 · 01-19-2022, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

I'm not sure what that could be, can you upload the save?

HistoricalPens1988.lg

It should be a day or two before the draft. Just sim to the draft, select "AI finish draft" or do it manually - results will be the same either way.

You'll see no players left in the draft but it keeps going for a few more rounds. Round 9 you'll see Zubov and Federov being selected (as well as other players who are above half a star which make up a large portion of the later rounds in the draft).

I don't know if I missed similar issues in previous years (I started in 1985) or if this is the first time players (stars) are taken who aren't even showing up as available.

Please let me know what you find out. Thanks.

JeffR · 01-21-2022, 01:22 AM

Looks like it's filtering the Soviet/Czechoslovakian players because it's still a year before the iron curtain rule gets lifted in 1989, but it's allowing the AI (including your own team when "AI Pick" is used to draft them when no other players are available. I think we're going to have to modify the AI's behaviour in the last years before the Soviet-bloc guys are fully available, but I need to think about exactly how to do it.

belial1134 · 01-22-2022, 01:10 AM

Thank you for looking into this. I looked back at previous drafts and looks like it happened in the all the other years draft as well (Moginly, Vlad Malakhov, Bondra, to name a few)

In the meantime, I unchecked the Iron Curtain box which works around the issue.

AdequateRandomGaming · 01-24-2022, 07:59 AM

So, I've seen something odd in that same time period, and instead of creating a new thread, I figured I'd put it here since it could be related.

I am playing the LA Kings historical challenge. Before the 89-90 (could have been 90-91) season, I realized that there were 2 different pools of Free Agents. If I went under the NHL menu, then transactions and Free Agents there, I would have a pool of free agents, UFAs and RFAs.

However, if I selected my team, then transactions, and went to Free Agent Center, I could access all the free agent players from the Iron Curtain countries as well as American College players (those players would not show in the other window, nor did the Free Agents from the other window showed in this one). The problem ? I don't think the computer had access to those players...for a few years.
Until the 1992-1993 season, nobody from that pool of players was signed by any other team than mine. As far as I can tell, none of them got drafted either.
Then all of a sudden, in 1992, a bunch of them all got signed at once. Fedorov, Joe Juneau, Konstantinov, Nemchinov etc. all got signed to various teams. The Free Agent pools had not changed - they were still separate entities. But it's as if something "unlocked" and let the AI go for those players as well.

Just thought I'd bring it up in the hopes it helps figuring it out.

JeffR · 01-25-2022, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

So, I've seen something odd in that same time period, and instead of creating a new thread, I figured I'd put it here since it could be related.

I am playing the LA Kings historical challenge. Before the 89-90 (could have been 90-91) season, I realized that there were 2 different pools of Free Agents. If I went under the NHL menu, then transactions and Free Agents there, I would have a pool of free agents, UFAs and RFAs.

However, if I selected my team, then transactions, and went to Free Agent Center, I could access all the free agent players from the Iron Curtain countries as well as American College players (those players would not show in the other window, nor did the Free Agents from the other window showed in this one). The problem ? I don't think the computer had access to those players...for a few years.
Until the 1992-1993 season, nobody from that pool of players was signed by any other team than mine. As far as I can tell, none of them got drafted either.
Then all of a sudden, in 1992, a bunch of them all got signed at once. Fedorov, Joe Juneau, Konstantinov, Nemchinov etc. all got signed to various teams. The Free Agent pools had not changed - they were still separate entities. But it's as if something "unlocked" and let the AI go for those players as well.

Just thought I'd bring it up in the hopes it helps figuring it out.

The league screen only shows actual free agents. The team Free Agent Centre will, in historical, show.players who are on nonplayable teams but can still be signed.

The guys you're mentioning - Fedorov, Juneau, Konstantinov, Nemchinov - all begin a game started in 1989 on non-NHL teams, but with their NHL rights set. Other teams can't sign them, only the team that own their rights. Depending on the player, it may take a couple of seasons before they get signed.

AdequateRandomGaming · 01-25-2022, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffR

The league screen only shows actual free agents. The team Free Agent Centre will, in historical, show.players who are on nonplayable teams but can still be signed.

The guys you're mentioning - Fedorov, Juneau, Konstantinov, Nemchinov - all begin a game started in 1989 on non-NHL teams, but with their NHL rights set. Other teams can't sign them, only the team that own their rights. Depending on the player, it may take a couple of seasons before they get signed.

Then something still seems off as I was able to sign Mogilny, Gusarov, Irbe, Reichel and Lang in 89/90. It's as if the rights weren't applying if an offer was made by a human team.

JeffR · 01-26-2022, 12:40 AM

When I test a 1989 start, Gusarov is the only one of those guys that's signable, and not until the start of 1990-91. Reichel and Lang need to be drafted, and Mogilny and Irbe belong to Buffalo and Minnesota, who sign them after a year or two. Can you upload your save? I'd like to see what's going on with the rights there that allowed you to sign them.

01-17-2022, 03:21 AM	#1
belial1134 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 390	Historical Bug - No players shown left in draft, then Federov/Zubov taken round 9?? Historical mode. 1988-1989 season... No players are left showing available in the draft, I click on AI pick to sim past it (I also did AI Finish draft) and I start noticing players like Zubov and Federov are being taken in round 9! I reloaded the save and did the draft about 7 times and this happened every time. What gives? Why would they not be listed and how could they be taken when there were no players left to take to begin with?

01-24-2022, 07:59 AM	#6
AdequateRandomGaming Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 208	So, I've seen something odd in that same time period, and instead of creating a new thread, I figured I'd put it here since it could be related. I am playing the LA Kings historical challenge. Before the 89-90 (could have been 90-91) season, I realized that there were 2 different pools of Free Agents. If I went under the NHL menu, then transactions and Free Agents there, I would have a pool of free agents, UFAs and RFAs. However, if I selected my team, then transactions, and went to Free Agent Center, I could access all the free agent players from the Iron Curtain countries as well as American College players (those players would not show in the other window, nor did the Free Agents from the other window showed in this one). The problem ? I don't think the computer had access to those players...for a few years. Until the 1992-1993 season, nobody from that pool of players was signed by any other team than mine. As far as I can tell, none of them got drafted either. Then all of a sudden, in 1992, a bunch of them all got signed at once. Fedorov, Joe Juneau, Konstantinov, Nemchinov etc. all got signed to various teams. The Free Agent pools had not changed - they were still separate entities. But it's as if something "unlocked" and let the AI go for those players as well. Just thought I'd bring it up in the hopes it helps figuring it out. Last edited by AdequateRandomGaming; 01-24-2022 at 08:01 AM.

01-19-2022, 02:05 PM	#2
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,253	I'm not sure what that could be, can you upload the save?

01-21-2022, 01:22 AM	#4
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,253	Looks like it's filtering the Soviet/Czechoslovakian players because it's still a year before the iron curtain rule gets lifted in 1989, but it's allowing the AI (including your own team when "AI Pick" is used to draft them when no other players are available. I think we're going to have to modify the AI's behaviour in the last years before the Soviet-bloc guys are fully available, but I need to think about exactly how to do it.

01-22-2022, 01:10 AM	#5
belial1134 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 390	Thank you for looking into this. I looked back at previous drafts and looks like it happened in the all the other years draft as well (Moginly, Vlad Malakhov, Bondra, to name a few) In the meantime, I unchecked the Iron Curtain box which works around the issue.

01-26-2022, 12:40 AM	#9
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,253	When I test a 1989 start, Gusarov is the only one of those guys that's signable, and not until the start of 1990-91. Reichel and Lang need to be drafted, and Mogilny and Irbe belong to Buffalo and Minnesota, who sign them after a year or two. Can you upload your save? I'd like to see what's going on with the rights there that allowed you to sign them.