retired players will never play longer?

fredbeene · 07-14-2021, 09:43 PM

I am pretty sure as long you are using any RECALC you can never have a player play longer than when they actually retired.
Won't the recalc be 00000000 for all the retired years.
So at most their ratings will plummet which will force them to be dropped from team and no one will sign them anyway???

Brad K · 07-15-2021, 06:55 AM

I've seen it posted that on or not dev takes over when RL stats run out. I have also seen posted that when RL stats run out the player is finished. I have not tried this. However dev on is default setting even with recalc on and this allows for the possibility of longer than real life careers.

First screenshot is real life, second and third are in game. Game settings were 3 year recalc no weight dev on.

Brad K · 07-15-2021, 03:02 PM

Also real life stats for ratings doesn't end the year after a player retires. Three year recalc looks at current year plus one in the future and one in the past. So the first year after retirement there would still be one year of RL stats as a rating basis. With five year recalc there would be two years.

BTW, in my current save, my stopper is Fred Beene.

David Watts · 07-15-2021, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Also real life stats for ratings doesn't end the year after a player retires. Three year recalc looks at current year plus one in the future and one in the past. So the first year after retirement there would still be one year of RL stats as a rating basis. With five year recalc there would be two years.

BTW, in my current save, my stopper is Fred Beene.

One thing I've noticed when using a combo of recalc and development is, guys that ended there careers at a younger age, say Koufax or Britt Burns will usually play on for several years before retiring. But, guys that end their real life careers from 34 on up, will usually end their OOTP careers at that age or maybe a year older. Have you noticed this in your leagues?

Bobfather · 07-15-2021, 04:25 PM

If you can unretire Babe Ruth then shouldn't players be able to play beyond their IRL retirement Or in some cases Deaths (Jose Fernandez)

timmermac · 07-15-2021, 05:46 PM

I had Koufax play into the early/mid 1970's in one save, so it can be done

fredbeene · 07-15-2021, 05:47 PM

thx...allll very interesting.....still with recalc on player will get 00000 for look forward years which is really going to drive down their ratings.
I have never had good luck with UNRETIRING players without intervention. Most go unsigned. I always have to actually go in commish mode and pump up there ratings.
I used to do potential, because i thought that would be the 'fair' way...i mean hey bob feller was stellar, he still has potential....but that never worked....later found out potential has no effect for anyone over 29.

Slowing down AGING has little effect even at absurd levels....not sure why

fredbeene · 07-15-2021, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

I've seen it posted that on or not dev takes over when RL stats run out. I have also seen posted that when RL stats run out the player is finished. I have not tried this. However dev on is default setting even with recalc on and this allows for the possibility of longer than real life careers.

First screenshot is real life, second and third are in game. Game settings were 3 year recalc no weight dev on.

I wonder if it looks at their MINOR leagues stats when majors run out.
I wonder if this player turned into stud because you didn't account to adjust stats when little status are available

Brad K · 07-15-2021, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

thx...allll very interesting.....still with recalc on player will get 00000 for look forward years which is really going to drive down their ratings.

That doesn't hold up at all with what I posted about George Korinc.

Brad K · 07-15-2021, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

One thing I've noticed when using a combo of recalc and development is, guys that ended there careers at a younger age, say Koufax or Britt Burns will usually play on for several years before retiring. But, guys that end their real life careers from 34 on up, will usually end their OOTP careers at that age or maybe a year older. Have you noticed this in your leagues?

It seems like position players play maybe a year past their actual retirement. In my leagues they often play that year in AAA. They can still hit a bit but can't field at all. I don't use DH.

I don't look at the whole league like you do. But what catches my attention most is someone who had a two or three year career and plays ten. Ken Hubbs comes to mind.

In my previous game I got him on trade when he was still arb eligible and when he got expensive let him go the free agent route (that's the story with most of my players since I'm playing with low payroll). Then I got him back when he was a 30 something capable player but not a star.

fredbeene · 07-15-2021, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

I've seen it posted that on or not dev takes over when RL stats run out. I have also seen posted that when RL stats run out the player is finished. I have not tried this. However dev on is default setting even with recalc on and this allows for the possibility of longer than real life careers.

First screenshot is real life, second and third are in game. Game settings were 3 year recalc no weight dev on.

what do you mean when you say NO WEIGHT. I am trying to do the same sim. I am using 30/50/15/5 (default)
(Wish there was a quick start folder!!!)

Also did you manage his career?
My first pass is i put him on det starting rotation and he did average.....but as soon as let AI take over they put him back to single A. I traded him to houston and AI still kept him in single A.
Heading into 1969....

Brad K · 07-16-2021, 06:47 AM

No double weight for current year.

What do you mean "manage his career"?

I had no involvement with Korinc until I got him in 1980. At that point he was 13 seasons past his historical retirement.

Brad K · 07-16-2021, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

My first pass is i put him on det starting rotation and he did average.....but as soon as let AI take over they put him back to single A. I traded him to houston and AI still kept him in single A.
Heading into 1969....

Why are you trying to see if Korinc can duplicate what he did in my game? This is a chance thing. Look at other short career players in your game.

Brad K · 07-16-2021, 10:51 PM

Here's a guy who played a lot longer - but not better - than historical. Notice how close BA, OBP, SLG in the game are to RL.

Reed · 07-17-2021, 07:05 AM

Play with development off and turn off "players retire according to history". Some players will play almost forever. I play historical development off and I once forgot to check "players retire according to history". I always test a new league by fast swimming several years and in this test some old players continued to play. It appeared the just took their last recalc rating and just repeated them every year.
Most players have poor ratings their last year irl so they will get replaced but a player like koufax will play forever. This happened about 3 versions ago so I can't swear about OOTP 22.
Also, when you use 3 or 5 year recalc but a player has a missing year such as their rookie year, the missing year prior in this case IS NOT factored into the calculation.
For their retirement year the post retirement years are not factored in.

Brad K · 07-17-2021, 01:08 PM

In summary, there are lots of options and some don't work well together!

07-14-2021, 09:43 PM	#1
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,663	retired players will never play longer? I am pretty sure as long you are using any RECALC you can never have a player play longer than when they actually retired. Won't the recalc be 00000000 for all the retired years. So at most their ratings will plummet which will force them to be dropped from team and no one will sign them anyway???

07-15-2021, 06:55 AM	#2
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	I've seen it posted that on or not dev takes over when RL stats run out. I have also seen posted that when RL stats run out the player is finished. I have not tried this. However dev on is default setting even with recalc on and this allows for the possibility of longer than real life careers. First screenshot is real life, second and third are in game. Game settings were 3 year recalc no weight dev on. Attached Images Last edited by Brad K; 07-15-2021 at 02:52 PM.

07-15-2021, 04:25 PM	#5
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,806	If you can unretire Babe Ruth then shouldn't players be able to play beyond their IRL retirement Or in some cases Deaths (Jose Fernandez) __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

07-15-2021, 05:46 PM	#6
timmermac Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 449	I had Koufax play into the early/mid 1970's in one save, so it can be done __________________ Running with the 1950 Braves. Crush the baseball. Drive it before you. And hear the lamentation of the opponent's women. I am king of the diamond! Let there be a grand clubhouse feast! Bring me the finest meats and cheeses in all the land!

07-16-2021, 10:51 PM	#14
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Here's a guy who played a lot longer - but not better - than historical. Notice how close BA, OBP, SLG in the game are to RL. Attached Images

07-15-2021, 03:02 PM	#3
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Also real life stats for ratings doesn't end the year after a player retires. Three year recalc looks at current year plus one in the future and one in the past. So the first year after retirement there would still be one year of RL stats as a rating basis. With five year recalc there would be two years. BTW, in my current save, my stopper is Fred Beene.

07-15-2021, 05:47 PM	#7
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,663	thx...allll very interesting.....still with recalc on player will get 00000 for look forward years which is really going to drive down their ratings. I have never had good luck with UNRETIRING players without intervention. Most go unsigned. I always have to actually go in commish mode and pump up there ratings. I used to do potential, because i thought that would be the 'fair' way...i mean hey bob feller was stellar, he still has potential....but that never worked....later found out potential has no effect for anyone over 29. Slowing down AGING has little effect even at absurd levels....not sure why

07-16-2021, 06:47 AM	#12
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	No double weight for current year. What do you mean "manage his career"? I had no involvement with Korinc until I got him in 1980. At that point he was 13 seasons past his historical retirement.

07-17-2021, 07:05 AM	#15
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,610	Play with development off and turn off "players retire according to history". Some players will play almost forever. I play historical development off and I once forgot to check "players retire according to history". I always test a new league by fast swimming several years and in this test some old players continued to play. It appeared the just took their last recalc rating and just repeated them every year. Most players have poor ratings their last year irl so they will get replaced but a player like koufax will play forever. This happened about 3 versions ago so I can't swear about OOTP 22. Also, when you use 3 or 5 year recalc but a player has a missing year such as their rookie year, the missing year prior in this case IS NOT factored into the calculation. For their retirement year the post retirement years are not factored in. Last edited by Reed; 07-17-2021 at 07:14 AM.

07-17-2021, 01:08 PM	#16
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	In summary, there are lots of options and some don't work well together!