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Old 04-30-2021, 09:28 AM   #1
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Why is BABIP out of whack?

All of this applies to a new standard MLB game (2021), with auto-calc turned off.

I completed my first season (2021), playing out every game. Results were decent, but offense was a little high (anecdotal; I didn't check stats, admittedly).

Subsequently, I kicked off the 2022 season, and I was seeing an alarming amount of offense (league evolution is off, and no auto-calc as mentioned). So I decided to sim three years and, really for the first time playing OOTP, I took a look at the "Historical Simulation Accuracy". While some offensive statistics were higher than what I might have liked, the one that really stood out was BABIP.

See the attached screenshot. Since 2000 in real life, the BABIP league-wide has been .300 or higher only six times (30%). Furthermore, in that timeframe, it has never been higher than .303.

Here's my problem: From 2021-2023 in my file, the BABIP has been at least .313. So what gives? I haven't touched any settings that would impact this. I fully admit that I am not an expert when it comes to stats settings to get everything right, which is why I am appealing to the experts to steer me in the right direction.
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:32 PM   #2
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I'm wondering if this has something to do with the increase in strikeouts. However, I still need advice on what to do to fix this.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:28 PM   #3
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I'm frustrated by this issue also. Don't know why it isn't easy as can be to enter a year to emulate and have the league keep those stats as a base for all upcoming seasons. Seems like everything can be adjusted to just about any funky league imaginable but playing a fairly standard league with consistent stats across the years doesn't seem to be so easy. My leagues always turn into ultra offense or ultra pitching leagues which I don't want..
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Old 04-30-2021, 02:02 PM   #4
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I'm probably way off here, but could this be a product of not using auto-calc? I'm wondering if you were to auto-calc on opening day or just before opening day if the game would readjust itself to the current talent pool and get things back in line.
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Old 04-30-2021, 02:50 PM   #5
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I'm probably way off here, but could this be a product of not using auto-calc? I'm wondering if you were to auto-calc on opening day or just before opening day if the game would readjust itself to the current talent pool and get things back in line.

I don’t like auto-calc because it messes with pitcher stamina. I’d be fine with it, I suppose, if it left the bottom half of the screen alone.


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I'm probably way off here, but could this be a product of not using auto-calc? I'm wondering if you were to auto-calc on opening day or just before opening day if the game would readjust itself to the current talent pool and get things back in line.
Yeah, I was going to ask that.

FWIW autocalc goes off after opening day. I assume it's to avoid human players from screwing up league outputs during a season
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I don’t like auto-calc because it messes with pitcher stamina. I’d be fine with it, I suppose, if it left the bottom half of the screen alone.


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Good point. I use a blend of excel spreadsheets and autocalc to get what I need in that bottom half.
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Old 04-30-2021, 03:59 PM   #8
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Good point. I use a blend of excel spreadsheets and autocalc to get what I need in that bottom half.

How do you utilize Excel for this? I have good Excel skills, but I just don’t understand how it helps here.

Apologies for the ignorance here.


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I don’t like auto-calc because it messes with pitcher stamina. I’d be fine with it, I suppose, if it left the bottom half of the screen alone.


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I use another method when playing random debut. Say I start in 1982 and want to keep my league 1982 forever. I uncheck the box for adjust modifiers according to history after the 1982 season starts. I then play out 1982. When I reach the day prior to the start of the 1983 season, I change the 1983 above the league totals back to 1982. OOTP will run the calculations and set things accordingly. It does change the numbers set for stamina, but only in a way that keeps me accurate in terms of 1982. Stamina change is never drastic.
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I use another method when playing random debut. Say I start in 1982 and want to keep my league 1982 forever. I uncheck the box for adjust modifiers according to history after the 1982 season starts. I then play out 1982. When I reach the day prior to the start of the 1983 season, I change the 1983 above the league totals back to 1982. OOTP will run the calculations and set things accordingly. It does change the numbers set for stamina, but only in a way that keeps me accurate in terms of 1982. Stamina change is never drastic.

How would this work in a modern league? Would I just set the league totals to 2020 every year?

Also—when are you unchecking the adjust to history box? Before games are played on Opening Day?


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This issue should be due to the fact, that the adjustments in the Stats & AI tab are calculated in a different way in OOTP 22
This has been confirmed by a mod here: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=327280

I guess that leads to the point, that you have to observe all these modifiers by yourself. Otherwise, it is likely, that you get those extreme results. I have seen multiple people complaining about this issue regardings BABIP on reddit.
For me, this is quite annoying and I hope this will be fixed someday in a patch. But I doubt, it as it appears to be intended by the creators of the game. Unfortunately a huge disappointment in OOTP 22.
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This issue should be due to the fact, that the adjustments in the Stats & AI tab are calculated in a different way in OOTP 22
This has been confirmed by a mod here: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=327280

I guess that leads to the point, that you have to observe all these modifiers by yourself. Otherwise, it is likely, that you get those extreme results. I have seen multiple people complaining about this issue regardings BABIP on reddit.
For me, this is quite annoying and I hope this will be fixed someday in a patch. But I doubt, it as it appears to be intended by the creators of the game. Unfortunately a huge disappointment in OOTP 22.
Except he never used autocalc as noted in his first post. IE autocalc is turned off.
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I don’t like auto-calc because it messes with pitcher stamina. I’d be fine with it, I suppose, if it left the bottom half of the screen alone.


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You can always change pitcher stamina manually back to what it was after autocalc has run.

I suppose this could cause a slight change in stat output if
starters are going longer or shorter in games. I'm guessing stamina ends up being lowered leading to less innings for starters? That could mean more "third time through the order" stats and slightly higher output if you put the stamina back up to 1.0?
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I'm wondering if this has something to do with the increase in strikeouts. However, I still need advice on what to do to fix this.
I don't have specific settings advice as that will depend on your league and talents within your universe, BABIP = (H - HR) / (AB - HR - K + SF).

Your HR were -18%, that will push BABIP up if batting average is the same (more hits for the numerator, instead of out-of-play hits, i.e. HR, you're getting in-play hits). Higher Ks push it up (smaller denominator). You had +11% walks, that will push it up (again smaller denominator as the AB term drops).

If you're getting the number of K, HR, and BB you want, you'd want fewer in-play hits. That's either defense or overall batting average. Raising defensive effectiveness is tricky, while lowering batting average is more straightforward...but lowers ALL hits. You could impact your doubles and triples (and thus run production and league ERA), upset the balance of contact rating vs batting average distribution, etc.

As far as using Excel, I take the league preview (the season predictions) and copy/paste them into a sheet and calculate the league totals from there.

I don't explicitly calculate the BABIP, but if the AVG, HR, BB, and K are reasonably close, BABIP should be as well as those are the major components of the formula. Only term not accounted for is SF. I have them compared to my target league year's stats (2019 MLB in my case).

If I don't like the variance from 2019 MLB I'm seeing, I'll adjust totals, delete that prediction file and generate another. See what I get. Repeat until I'm happy and start the season.

I usually do this only once every four or five seasons since maybe in that time the talents in the league may have shifted so I need to make sure my modifiers are still hitting near the target reasonably.

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No it is a really simple recursive calculation. If you have Excel skills you'll likely do better than me. I use Excel to calculate the difference in stat output from season to season, using game generated csv files, and my expected output from 2009 MLB.(taken from BR) and three levels of minors also in 2009. That difference shows as new LTM's which I enter at the end of ST.

What I do now is run AutoCalc and if it is close to my LTM's I use it. Just like you I override the pitcher stamina changes and any others I think necessary.

This is just a results page. There are tabs for batting pitching and fielding.
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Except he never used autocalc as noted in his first post. IE autocalc is turned off.
This issue has nothing to do with autocalc.
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If you don't use autocalc and the league talent levels aren't balanced, then you can see stats that are off. For example, if your league hitters are better than your pitchers, without the autocalc (or manual adjustment of the modifiers), then you might see high league babip.
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No it is a really simple recursive calculation. If you have Excel skills you'll likely do better than me. I use Excel to calculate the difference in stat output from season to season, using game generated csv files, and my expected output from 2009 MLB.(taken from BR) and three levels of minors also in 2009. That difference shows as new LTM's which I enter at the end of ST.

What I do now is run AutoCalc and if it is close to my LTM's I use it. Just like you I override the pitcher stamina changes and any others I think necessary.

This is just a results page. There are tabs for batting pitching and fielding.
Any updates? I think I’m still using the one from a few years back.
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Old 05-02-2021, 10:05 AM   #19
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Quick update: I'm holding out hope that running auto-calc (manually) on Opening Day each season is the fix. A quick three-season sim shows that the BABIP has been right around .301 each season.

Question: Is it advised that I run auto-calc for the minor leagues and international leagues, as well?
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Quick update: I'm holding out hope that running auto-calc (manually) on Opening Day each season is the fix. A quick three-season sim shows that the BABIP has been right around .301 each season.

Question: Is it advised that I run auto-calc for the minor leagues and international leagues, as well?
Yes. Run it for each league.
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