What would you do with this pitcher?

[yankeefan1024]

I had a 5 star pitcher – both in current and potential star rating, who, in his ages 25-26 seasons, threw a combined 370 innings (with a high of 194 innings in the latter season), averaging roughly 10 K/9, 2 BB/9, a 115 ERA+, and 4.5 WAR (9 WAR total) across the two seasons


Then early in his age 27 year. blew out his UCL and had Tommy John. Then towards the end of his recovery, had a setback, and missed the entire offseason recovering from that.


I've had enough major pitching injuries to stud pitchers to know they can come back a shell of themselves after the injury, so the first thing I did upon him recovering from the injury, was put him on a minor league rehab assignment, and scout him, to see if my scouts thought he'd be someone I can count on near the top of my rotation anymore.


I've scouted him twice in the past 7 days, and the scouting accuracy now says "very high", here are his ratings now, and in parentheses are the former peak ratings of the category pre-injury, according to my scout (left side) and according to OSA (right side)


Stuff: 75 (75) // 75 (70)
Movement: 50 (55) // 50 (55)
Control: 55 (50) // 45 (50)


Fastball: 60 // 60
Cutter: 60 // 60
Curve: 75 // 75
Change: 75 // 75


Velocity: 89-91 (89-91) // 89-91 (89-91)
Star Rating: 5** present, 5** potential // 4** present , 4** potential
Injury Proneness: normal
Stamina: 55
Contract situation: signed for just $29 mill over the next 5 years


THE ISSUE // BIG QUESTION


So, here's the confusion and where the question comes in...

Despite the ratings being relatively similar to before and after his injury, both my scout and OSA are scouting him as a RELIEF PITCHER. I thought I accidentially had switched his position to reliever, however, when I went to his profile, it says SP, and when I set his position, I made sure it says SP also.

Then I re-ran the scouting report, and they still say the same – that they think he's going to be a great closer.


In this situation, would you hold onto this guy, hoping he actually resumes being the plus starter he was pre-injury, and the plus starter that his ratings indicate he still is, or trade him while his perceived value is still good and take it as a major red flag of a ratings slide to come, that my scouts and OSA are viewing him as a reliever?


I have a deal right now with this pitcher involved as one of the centerpieces of a deal for a young cost controlled all star 3B. The other team still values him highly. I know if in the next scouting report, he falls off a cliff, his value will be gone. On the other hand, I'd rather keep a young cost front line starter if he's going to be what he was.


WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS DO?! THANKS!

[pgjocki]

I'd still keep him and let him start; one thing that might happen is that he becomes a stud closer and closers still have value on the trade market.

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[yankeefan1024]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

I'd still keep him and let him start; one thing that might happen is that he becomes a stud closer and closers still have value on the trade market.

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sure. thats true, but i guess what im saying is, is there a chance his ratings flame out in like 3 weeks from now? or if the scout is showing very high accuracy with still 4.5+ star ratings, then hes probably still healthy enough to be a stud?


and also, is there a chance the fact that theyre scouting him as a reliver is either a bug or something that can change? or if theyre scouting him as a reliver, then hes probably definitely gonna be a reliver moving forward?

[pgjocki]

Well you won't really know until January 1st as that's when the entire league does a reevaluation.

If the 3B you can get is a stud it might be the safe play but for me pitching is always a premium and hitting is easier to find in trades and Free Agents.

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[yankeefan1024]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

Well you won't really know until January 1st as that's when the entire league does a reevaluation.

If the 3B you can get is a stud it might be the safe play but for me pitching is always a premium and hitting is easier to find in trades and Free Agents.

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I agree. Which is why I would like to ideally hold the pitcher rather then prematurely trade him out of fear. However, losing out on a stud for nothing seems dumb also.


What do you mean by waiting until January 1st?

[pgjocki]

On Jan 1st the entire game is re-scouted, which is also when the game does the basic AI evaluation and player development.

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[yankeefan1024]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

On Jan 1st the entire game is re-scouted, which is also when the game does the basic AI evaluation and player development.

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ahhh gotcha. yeah but if i re-scout my pitcher in 2 weeks and he goes from a 5* potential to 2.5*, he's not gonna have any trade value, regardless of it not being anywhere close to that jan1 point in time.


right now, he's THE centerpiece of a deal for a young stud 3B. every day I sim is a day closer to him falling off a cliff potentially.

[pgjocki]

So I'd save a backup of the league then turn it into a Zip file and move it to a new folder on my desktop. Then I'd proceed by not trading him and seeing what happens on Jan 1st. If his ratings crash you can unzip the save file and load it as a backup.

It's cheating per say but treat this as a learning experience about the game and how you process information.

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[yankeefan1024]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

So I'd save a backup of the league then turn it into a Zip file and move it to a new folder on my desktop. Then I'd proceed by not trading him and seeing what happens on Jan 1st. If his ratings crash you can unzip the save file and load it as a backup.

It's cheating per say but treat this as a learning experience about the game and how you process information.

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yeah i would feel slime doing that haha.


i went forward with the trade. of course, the following scouting report after the trade, they scouted him as a 5* starter, and he's been pitching good so far on his new team.


oh well.

[bababui]

I think its ridiculous that we need scouting reports for players on our own teams. We as managers and our staffs would see our players train and play daily. Far more often than any scout.

[Bobfather]

Originally Posted by yankeefan1024

I had a 5 star pitcher – both in current and potential star rating, who, in his ages 25-26 seasons, threw a combined 370 innings (with a high of 194 innings in the latter season), averaging roughly 10 K/9, 2 BB/9, a 115 ERA+, and 4.5 WAR (9 WAR total) across the two seasons


Then early in his age 27 year. blew out his UCL and had Tommy John. Then towards the end of his recovery, had a setback, and missed the entire offseason recovering from that.


I've had enough major pitching injuries to stud pitchers to know they can come back a shell of themselves after the injury, so the first thing I did upon him recovering from the injury, was put him on a minor league rehab assignment, and scout him, to see if my scouts thought he'd be someone I can count on near the top of my rotation anymore.


I've scouted him twice in the past 7 days, and the scouting accuracy now says "very high", here are his ratings now, and in parentheses are the former peak ratings of the category pre-injury, according to my scout (left side) and according to OSA (right side)


Stuff: 75 (75) // 75 (70)
Movement: 50 (55) // 50 (55)
Control: 55 (50) // 45 (50)


Fastball: 60 // 60
Cutter: 60 // 60
Curve: 75 // 75
Change: 75 // 75


Velocity: 89-91 (89-91) // 89-91 (89-91)
Star Rating: 5** present, 5** potential // 4** present , 4** potential
Injury Proneness: normal
Stamina: 55
Contract situation: signed for just $29 mill over the next 5 years


THE ISSUE // BIG QUESTION


So, here's the confusion and where the question comes in...

Despite the ratings being relatively similar to before and after his injury, both my scout and OSA are scouting him as a RELIEF PITCHER. I thought I accidentially had switched his position to reliever, however, when I went to his profile, it says SP, and when I set his position, I made sure it says SP also.

Then I re-ran the scouting report, and they still say the same – that they think he's going to be a great closer.


In this situation, would you hold onto this guy, hoping he actually resumes being the plus starter he was pre-injury, and the plus starter that his ratings indicate he still is, or trade him while his perceived value is still good and take it as a major red flag of a ratings slide to come, that my scouts and OSA are viewing him as a reliever?


I have a deal right now with this pitcher involved as one of the centerpieces of a deal for a young cost controlled all star 3B. The other team still values him highly. I know if in the next scouting report, he falls off a cliff, his value will be gone. On the other hand, I'd rather keep a young cost front line starter if he's going to be what he was.


WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS DO?! THANKS!

My advice don't compare him to himself. Compare him to other pitchers. how many 4* pitchers do you have? Can you afford to trade a 4* pitcher? And wait a month or longer before re-scouting, if you don't trade him.

[KBLover]

Oops, nevermind I'm late lol

I hope the 3B works out for you. Maybe it's a stud-for-stud deal!