Possible In Game Lineup Error

couriers · 04-23-2003, 01:47 PM

Ok, let's see if I can properly explain this in order to find out what could have been done if anything to correct the situation properly.

It was the bottom of the ninth inning and I wanted to change who I had in the DH spot since he was sucking something bad and he was the next batter up. After replacing him in the lineup the position selection options were displayed. This may have been my fault but I can't say for certain. At any rate, DH was not an available option to select from so I had to choose a fielding position. To correct the error I put all fielding positions back to the way that I wanted them, which removed any type of position for the guy that I just put in. The game would not allow me to go back to the game because it said that my lineup was incomplete. I had to take the player that I just put in, and badly needed in, out again and replace him with another player, which wasn't what I wanted to do. Since the original guy was put in and taken out of my lineup he was not allowed to be put back in. This completely sucked. Either the DH option should have been made available or the lineups shouldn't count until an additional button was pressed as a confirmation or there should have been a way to escape from the position selection options once they were displayed on accident or for any other reason.

I could be missing something in regards to the possibilities of not being forced to screw up my game due to this situation and would love any insight that anyone can offer. Thanks.

dbacks · 04-23-2003, 02:37 PM

I think what happens (haven't played too many DH games - just a few interleague w/ the dbacks), is when you go to replace your DH, all you should have to do is put him in as a pinch hitter, and come the next inning, he will be DH. Example:

Top eigth
I wanted to replace DH Matt Williams with a benched Mark Grace
I access the in-game offensive/lineup screen, and take Mark Grace, and inserted him to replace Matt Williams. It listed him as a PH. Needless to say, he managed to end the inning, but one inning later, he is now my new DH - I wasn't asked to select a new position or anything.

couriers · 04-23-2003, 02:56 PM

That is how I was able to do it in previous games. The problem occurred once the position selection options were displayed, which was done so most likely by accident because I know that I didn't do it on purpose since there is no need to do so. Once they were displayed though the situation could not be corrected the way that it should have been. It was as if the position selection options screwed up how I actually wanted things to be like. I know that I didn't need those options to put anyone in as DH but they popped up and screwed everything up, at least to the extent of my personal knowledge on how to correct it if at all possible. If in fact there was no proper way to correct it once those options are displayed then it should be fixed so that you may do so if you wish to not take the guy out of the lineup, making him unavailable to put back in.

Hope that makes sense.

dbacks · 04-23-2003, 03:12 PM

Yeah, it makes sense, it's just a little confusing.

dbacks · 04-23-2003, 03:13 PM

But, yeah, I see what you are saying. What probably happened is you right clicked or something, and that brought up the select position dialog, and it didn't have DH listed. I assume that's what you're trying to say - that the select position appeared, and you couldn't select 'DH,' so you had to restart the game? Is that correct?

couriers · 04-23-2003, 03:23 PM

Mostly that is what I mean except that I couldn't restart the game because of two reasons.

1 - I'm playing in manager mode and it won't allow me to restart a game.

2 - I believe that there is a Quit Game Bug that I describe in another thread just a couple of spots down from this one. Any insight on that dilemma would be appreciated as well.

The positions options were not brought up on purpose but they did appear. Probably a slip of the finger. Regardless of how though it should not have forced me to remove the guy that I wanted in as DH just to have a complete lineup. Since the DH option was not available he remained without a position, even PH wasn't there or an option, so I had to put someone else in that I didn't want in. Once I put a new guy in the DH automatically appeared next to his name and it was all good. Except that he was not who I wanted in as DH.

I have gotten past the problem and moved on but feel that this is something that should be looked into if in fact it is broken and needs to be fixed. My initial post offers 3 possible solutions to the problem that could easily be implemented.

Still confusing but I have OOTP on the brain and I am very worn out.

dbacks · 04-23-2003, 03:29 PM

hmmm... you're wearing my brain out, too.

I'll atke a look at that post about the quit game bug, and see if I can help out there, but if this is a very rare bug, and it was a possible slip finger, accidental press of a wrong button, then it's really no big deal, but I can see the problem, even if it's just once in a while.

Uh. Confusing.

Time for a break on this one, and I'll see if I can help with the quit game bug.

couriers · 04-23-2003, 03:37 PM

I appreciate the help and don't blame you for taking a break.

I guess that it all boils down to that a simple slip of the finger, which can happen to anyone at any time, should not have to cost you your best DH on your roster.

Thanks again.

dbacks · 04-23-2003, 03:46 PM

That's true - let us know if it happens, and you are positive it was not a slip of the finger.

couriers · 04-23-2003, 03:58 PM

I will do that. I am fairly certain that it was a slip of the finger but that shouldn't matter either way. It wasn't like I hit anything major. It was just the position selection options and that shouldn't screw things up so badly.

couriers · 04-23-2003, 04:31 PM

I just tested this out and it happens every time you bring up the Position Options for the DH or PH. There is no way to get rid of the Position Options once they are displayed. There should be a way to do that or the DH option should be made available in the list of Positions.

It is easy to recreate by starting a game and then making a substitution for the DH and then bring up the Position Options.

I know that those options are not necessary but they are easy to bring up. As a matter of fact, I remember now that what most likely happened at the time it first occured was that I was going to change the position of the player directly above or below the person that I just put in as DH. Instead of right clicking on the correct player I must have missed the mark, it would only take so much, and right clicked on the DH instead.

dbacks · 04-23-2003, 04:33 PM

And how did the position options come up? Did you (intentionally this time for the test) right-click to bring up the menu, or how did it appear?

couriers · 04-23-2003, 04:35 PM

This time I intentionally did it by right clicking on the DH.

EDIT: but I can easily see how one could accidentally miss the guy above or below and then get screwed out of a perfectly good DH.

Also, a possible work around, not a solution but a work around would have been for me to ultimately substitute the player who I wanted as the DH for another positional player and then dealt with the defensive lineup at the end of the inning.

dbacks · 04-24-2003, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by couriers
Also, a possible work around, not a solution but a work around would have been for me to ultimately substitute the player who I wanted as the DH for another positional player and then dealt with the defensive lineup at the end of the inning.

I believe that would have been the best way to go right there. Well... at least you know for next time.

04-23-2003, 01:47 PM	#1
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	Possible In Game Lineup Error Ok, let's see if I can properly explain this in order to find out what could have been done if anything to correct the situation properly. It was the bottom of the ninth inning and I wanted to change who I had in the DH spot since he was sucking something bad and he was the next batter up. After replacing him in the lineup the position selection options were displayed. This may have been my fault but I can't say for certain. At any rate, DH was not an available option to select from so I had to choose a fielding position. To correct the error I put all fielding positions back to the way that I wanted them, which removed any type of position for the guy that I just put in. The game would not allow me to go back to the game because it said that my lineup was incomplete. I had to take the player that I just put in, and badly needed in, out again and replace him with another player, which wasn't what I wanted to do. Since the original guy was put in and taken out of my lineup he was not allowed to be put back in. This completely sucked. Either the DH option should have been made available or the lineups shouldn't count until an additional button was pressed as a confirmation or there should have been a way to escape from the position selection options once they were displayed on accident or for any other reason. I could be missing something in regards to the possibilities of not being forced to screw up my game due to this situation and would love any insight that anyone can offer. Thanks.

04-23-2003, 04:35 PM	#13
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	This time I intentionally did it by right clicking on the DH. EDIT: but I can easily see how one could accidentally miss the guy above or below and then get screwed out of a perfectly good DH. Also, a possible work around, not a solution but a work around would have been for me to ultimately substitute the player who I wanted as the DH for another positional player and then dealt with the defensive lineup at the end of the inning. Last edited by couriers; 04-23-2003 at 05:16 PM.

04-23-2003, 02:37 PM	#2
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	I think what happens (haven't played too many DH games - just a few interleague w/ the dbacks), is when you go to replace your DH, all you should have to do is put him in as a pinch hitter, and come the next inning, he will be DH. Example: Top eigth I wanted to replace DH Matt Williams with a benched Mark Grace I access the in-game offensive/lineup screen, and take Mark Grace, and inserted him to replace Matt Williams. It listed him as a PH. Needless to say, he managed to end the inning, but one inning later, he is now my new DH - I wasn't asked to select a new position or anything.

04-23-2003, 02:56 PM	#3
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	That is how I was able to do it in previous games. The problem occurred once the position selection options were displayed, which was done so most likely by accident because I know that I didn't do it on purpose since there is no need to do so. Once they were displayed though the situation could not be corrected the way that it should have been. It was as if the position selection options screwed up how I actually wanted things to be like. I know that I didn't need those options to put anyone in as DH but they popped up and screwed everything up, at least to the extent of my personal knowledge on how to correct it if at all possible. If in fact there was no proper way to correct it once those options are displayed then it should be fixed so that you may do so if you wish to not take the guy out of the lineup, making him unavailable to put back in. Hope that makes sense.

04-23-2003, 03:12 PM	#4
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	Yeah, it makes sense, it's just a little confusing.

04-23-2003, 03:13 PM	#5
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	But, yeah, I see what you are saying. What probably happened is you right clicked or something, and that brought up the select position dialog, and it didn't have DH listed. I assume that's what you're trying to say - that the select position appeared, and you couldn't select 'DH,' so you had to restart the game? Is that correct?

04-23-2003, 03:23 PM	#6
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	Mostly that is what I mean except that I couldn't restart the game because of two reasons. 1 - I'm playing in manager mode and it won't allow me to restart a game. 2 - I believe that there is a Quit Game Bug that I describe in another thread just a couple of spots down from this one. Any insight on that dilemma would be appreciated as well. The positions options were not brought up on purpose but they did appear. Probably a slip of the finger. Regardless of how though it should not have forced me to remove the guy that I wanted in as DH just to have a complete lineup. Since the DH option was not available he remained without a position, even PH wasn't there or an option, so I had to put someone else in that I didn't want in. Once I put a new guy in the DH automatically appeared next to his name and it was all good. Except that he was not who I wanted in as DH. I have gotten past the problem and moved on but feel that this is something that should be looked into if in fact it is broken and needs to be fixed. My initial post offers 3 possible solutions to the problem that could easily be implemented. Still confusing but I have OOTP on the brain and I am very worn out.

04-23-2003, 03:29 PM	#7
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	hmmm... you're wearing my brain out, too. I'll atke a look at that post about the quit game bug, and see if I can help out there, but if this is a very rare bug, and it was a possible slip finger, accidental press of a wrong button, then it's really no big deal, but I can see the problem, even if it's just once in a while. Uh. Confusing. Time for a break on this one, and I'll see if I can help with the quit game bug.

04-23-2003, 03:37 PM	#8
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	I appreciate the help and don't blame you for taking a break. I guess that it all boils down to that a simple slip of the finger, which can happen to anyone at any time, should not have to cost you your best DH on your roster. Thanks again.

04-23-2003, 03:46 PM	#9
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	That's true - let us know if it happens, and you are positive it was not a slip of the finger.

04-23-2003, 03:58 PM	#10
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	I will do that. I am fairly certain that it was a slip of the finger but that shouldn't matter either way. It wasn't like I hit anything major. It was just the position selection options and that shouldn't screw things up so badly.

04-23-2003, 04:31 PM	#11
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	I just tested this out and it happens every time you bring up the Position Options for the DH or PH. There is no way to get rid of the Position Options once they are displayed. There should be a way to do that or the DH option should be made available in the list of Positions. It is easy to recreate by starting a game and then making a substitution for the DH and then bring up the Position Options. I know that those options are not necessary but they are easy to bring up. As a matter of fact, I remember now that what most likely happened at the time it first occured was that I was going to change the position of the player directly above or below the person that I just put in as DH. Instead of right clicking on the correct player I must have missed the mark, it would only take so much, and right clicked on the DH instead.

04-23-2003, 04:33 PM	#12
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	And how did the position options come up? Did you (intentionally this time for the test) right-click to bring up the menu, or how did it appear?